you would have to think that NO would be interested in curry's expiring since they are bleeding money. does a curry/chandler/TD deal get this done?

Do people think that OK4 has enough left in him to make such a trade worthwhile?

Would Lee do a S&T to the Hornets? Would the Hornets want him?

If we have had to choose over trading Chandler or Douglas- what should we do?

It would be nice to get rid of Curry

Lots of questions.

I read the same article this morning on hoopshype -- I think it mentioned possibly Peja or James Posey in lieu of Okafor. For either of these guys instead of EO, hey maybe. Taking on either of those guys instead of EO in order to get Collison is a little easier to swallow. For the Knicks, it would have to be conditional though -- I could see something like this being part of a big plan B or straight up plan C or D for them... It would have to take place after the free agency period has concluded (we have to see what we can net in FA first, we can't let anything stand in the way of selling the idea of bringing in two of the big FAs to come play with each other TOGETHER -- that'll continue to be the big pitch we use to hang our hat on, and I still think it's a damn good one). Taking on Peja's contract would be tough as well (he's owed a whopping $15.33M next year but then he expires however)..Posey is only owed about $6.5M this coming year BUT THEN almost $7M the following season, so one extra year of salary committment over Peja. Kinda pick your poison there. Bringing in Peja would require major salary going out (a D Lee S&T, a guy they wouldn't necessarily need if they were keeping EO & West)...Posey could be doable for us as part of one big plan B --- say we can't convince Bosh to come but Lebron's still interested -- say we change gears and resign D Lee and then with the extra money left over signing Lee over Bosh and with some other parts moving out like Chandler & TD, absorb Posey and Collison. We'd be selling LeBron on Lee & Collison over Bosh right there (Chandler's a nice player but he could be replaced).. He may find that appealing....

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Hey Briggs, speaking of Collison, did you read that Michael Loyd Jr., Fredette's backup at BYU & a guy who reminds me a lot of Darren Collison, will be transferring out? What do you make of that? Apparently this decision was made back in April. Just reading about it this morning...Inital AP report I read was vague, saying only that he and the head coach both agreed it was time to part ways. But just found another article that goes a little more in-depth (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Michael-Loyd-Jr-is-keeping-his-mohawk-but-ditch?urn=ncaab,237740) citing Loyd had trouble conforming to team policies, dress codes and the like... I wonder if coach Rose would be singing a different tune if Fredette decided to turn pro? This kid looked phenomenal to me at different points last year -- I think he has a bright future. Didn't know about this off-the-court stuff, but you kinda got the feeling when watching him play that his game wasn't really a match for that program in that conference. I guess the same could be said of his personality as well..I guess it's for the best. I'll be interested to see where he ends up. Based on what I saw, I think he's ready to run his own team somewhere and get out from Fredette's shadow. Probably good for both players..

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BigDaddyG wrote:Emeka has hands of stone and is poor passer. I think he would be a sport or part-time starter with as the coach. But Collison sure would look good pushing the ball up in an orange and blue uniform. All of our players, especially Chandler, would look better with a real distributor in the line up.

I think OK4 would play, cuz we tend to forget that MDA played Jared, who isn't exactly the best offensive player to play the game and also had butterfingers. So long as he does his job in terms of defense I think he'd have no problem with playing him. We'd still have plenty of scoring everywhere else on the court. He'd need to prove he can finish off the pick and roll tho to really be effective on both ends.

BRIGGS wrote:But you have to take EO to get him.

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method wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:But you have to take EO to get him.

For Currys expiring?I would do that yesterday.Point guard and center are 2 of the hardest postions to fill and we fill em in one trade.

Im sure the Knicks would do it--if I was in their position--I would seriously consider it.

The way I see it,if it involves them taking back Curry, the deal is a bargain. The 3 additional years on OK4s contract are a lot of salary, but he is a legit rebounder and shotblocker. Collison is a high potential PG. Curry is taking up roster space and salary cap this year. Thinking about the additional years of salary, this transaction fits the "Isiah" type trade, but logically, I did not disagree with the concept of taking back salary in order to acquire talent. To the Knicks misfortune, they took back salary for 'potential' rather than talent and lost the bet. Second, they did not time the expirations of their contracts properly in the case of Jeffries, Curry, Randolph and Crawford. OK4's contract doesn't run further than the expect FA contracts the Knicks will sign this summer. Last, the value of Curry's expiring in terms of cap space next year needs to be reduced because of the salary increase due the new FAs and the restricted FA status of Wilson Chandler and the inability to use the MLE. Basically, using Curry's contract to take back salary should be a no-brainer, but the Knicks need to lear from prior mistakes and not take back salary that goes beyond the bulk of their FA signings. If all max FA's take contracts with a 3rd year ETO, then OK4s contract (which has a 4th year) is unacceptable.

LivingLegend wrote:I don't think I would offer them anything more than Curry and maybe our 2nd round picks.

We can't be just dumping guys like Wilson or Tony at the drop of a hat -- particularly when we are taking on a big contract like Emeka's.

Collison is good enough to consider taking on Emeka's bad deal but let's keep our existing young talent here.

We don't need a center that scores the ball -- you hope we'll get the scoring we need from free agency, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Walker.

Look at the job Kendrick Perkins does for the Celtics -- Okafor is on par or better than Perkins -- if you can get a young starting point guard for the next 6-8 years you have to do that deal but don't give up the farm.

If we were to trade the 2 second round picks -- we can likely replace them by buying back a #1 or a few #2s.

I'd actually like Gallo off the bench with the roster below --- I think Collison, Chandler and Lebron would give us great athleticism in the starting unit and Gallo could come in and play a scoring role off the bench while getting +30 minutes a night.

Collison
Chandler
Lebron
Bosh
Okafor

Gallo
Walker
Douglas
Picks

I think it something you look at I don't say it's a no brainer. If we drafted Mikhail Torrance and Brackins $ for $ would it be better to take on the rookie salaries and wait for something else to materialize with curry? Ok4 really is a 4 that doesnt fit this style of play too well.

Childs2Dudley wrote:You're not going to get Collison by trading 2 2nd round picks and taking back Okafor. Just not going to happen. Other teams will make better offers.

For us, anything would have to include Eddy Curry. Couldn't do anything with this involving D Lee, at least not until after the FA period concludes (during this period I either use D. Lee to get LeBron's #2 guy somewhere like a Bosh and if I can't get the obvious upgrade over Lee, I then want him back. Besides, any S&T with Lee looks remote to me - when we renounce Lee we give up his Bird rights and basically lose control over him. I know he & his agent plan on being aggressive - I don't think they're gonna wait around to see what the Knicks do. Plus if we did manage to come up with a trade scenario, Lee doesn't have to accept it. He's in complete control -- this is why I mentioned awhile ago that we needed to ask Lee and Nate for a list of teams they'd be willing to play for. I hope they did that. It'll save Donnie a lot of time this off-season)... If we max out free agency, a trade involving Curry + makes more sense. If not, it's not enough moving forward -- without two bigger FA stars in place, Okafor pretty much by himself [specifically that contract] is nothing but a hinderence. Even with Collison..This trade could never be the one big thing we wind up doing this offseason --- to reap the benefit, it would have to be the third thing where we went all in...

Curry/Chandler/Douglas for Okafor & Collison (no need to involve any picks)...All things considered (huge money being saved by one party & the talent being exchanged), it seems like a pretty fair deal...I still hate Okafor's contract like nobody's business but if we were able to accomplish what we set out to do (which is nab LeBron AND another top FA, probably Bosh) then I probably do this deal. We'd be adding a nice young PG to the mix and Okafor's still a productive player as well. Makes some sense for NO as well -- they wipe Okafor right off the books (this man is owed over $52M bucks over the next 4 seasons --- $52+ MILLION --- that's a ton of incentive for them to make this deal right there. That ain't chump change, that's significant savings, esp. for an up and coming club that needs to continue building..AND we'd be giving them two solid young players to boot, Chandler & TD...

Childs, you may be right -- there may be better offers made by other clubs [off the top of my head I could see Mark Cuban jumping in on something like this -- trying to make a splash and get Dirk some help after he resigns him] but I don't think we exactly embarrass ourselves with this offer.

NO is over the cap and the money being exchanged doesn't exactly work perfectly in this scenario ---> We'd be dealing $14,478,344 in total salary for next year and only taking back $12,901,415. Could we get it done with that difference? If not, could we include cash to offset the difference? Anyone know?