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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
7/3/2013 10:47 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I agree about the playoffs. However, how many teams had to rely on a guy making 2 million to be their second best player in the second round. I can't think of one. It is a fair deal and I think JR played himself out of a lot of money. He made strides last year. The guy is still only 27. Hopefully he grows up some more. He is good signing in my opinion he just shouldn't be the second option.CrushAlot wrote:I dont think people mind having JR here next year. They just dont want to give him a 4 year deal which i agree with. also the playoffs are kind of important for a "win now" team so its not good enough that he had a good regular season and an awful playoffsnixluva wrote:I don't get the intense negativity. This team will actually be better than it was last year. All we can do is try to keep improving the team while keeping continuity. If we do re-sign JR, i'm guessing they'll add an opt out for 2015. Even if they don't that doesn't spell the end for the teams prospects for the future. I think there is WAY too much panic and exaggeration going on with the Knick fan base. This team should have a better mix of talent this year and should be better prepared for the playoffs. The talent in the East is getting better and I think the Knicks are doing the best they can to improve.I agree. Smith's playoff performance was horrible but the guy had a great year. Check out what guys were saying when it looked like the Knicks wouldn't be able to afford him. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
7/3/2013 11:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I agree about the playoffs. However, how many teams had to rely on a guy making 2 million to be their second best player in the second round. I can't think of one. It is a fair deal and I think JR played himself out of a lot of money. He made strides last year. The guy is still only 27. Hopefully he grows up some more. He is good signing in my opinion he just shouldn't be the second option.CrushAlot wrote:I dont think people mind having JR here next year. They just dont want to give him a 4 year deal which i agree with. also the playoffs are kind of important for a "win now" team so its not good enough that he had a good regular season and an awful playoffsnixluva wrote:I don't get the intense negativity. This team will actually be better than it was last year. All we can do is try to keep improving the team while keeping continuity. If we do re-sign JR, i'm guessing they'll add an opt out for 2015. Even if they don't that doesn't spell the end for the teams prospects for the future. I think there is WAY too much panic and exaggeration going on with the Knick fan base. This team should have a better mix of talent this year and should be better prepared for the playoffs. The talent in the East is getting better and I think the Knicks are doing the best they can to improve.I agree. Smith's playoff performance was horrible but the guy had a great year. Check out what guys were saying when it looked like the Knicks wouldn't be able to afford him. Not sure why you're so hung up on JR "only" making 2 million dollars a year, not in this economy. 2 million a year should be more than enough to motivate JR to keep his ish together when the chips are down. JR deserves a raise, but his "meager" 2 million dollars a year doesn't give him a pass for costing the team (by his own admission) 2 games against Boston, not to mention his performance against Indy. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
7/3/2013 11:17 PM
GustavBahler wrote:My point went more to the state of the Knicks last year and having to rely on a guy making slightly more than the vet mini as their number two guy. JR shouldn't have to be the number two guy and isn't reliable enough to fill that role on a good team. Also, I agree that his playoff performance was horrible. If it wasn't I doubt he is back because he had a really good season.CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I agree about the playoffs. However, how many teams had to rely on a guy making 2 million to be their second best player in the second round. I can't think of one. It is a fair deal and I think JR played himself out of a lot of money. He made strides last year. The guy is still only 27. Hopefully he grows up some more. He is good signing in my opinion he just shouldn't be the second option.CrushAlot wrote:I dont think people mind having JR here next year. They just dont want to give him a 4 year deal which i agree with. also the playoffs are kind of important for a "win now" team so its not good enough that he had a good regular season and an awful playoffsnixluva wrote:I don't get the intense negativity. This team will actually be better than it was last year. All we can do is try to keep improving the team while keeping continuity. If we do re-sign JR, i'm guessing they'll add an opt out for 2015. Even if they don't that doesn't spell the end for the teams prospects for the future. I think there is WAY too much panic and exaggeration going on with the Knick fan base. This team should have a better mix of talent this year and should be better prepared for the playoffs. The talent in the East is getting better and I think the Knicks are doing the best they can to improve.I agree. Smith's playoff performance was horrible but the guy had a great year. Check out what guys were saying when it looked like the Knicks wouldn't be able to afford him. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
7/3/2013 11:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:My point went more to the state of the Knicks last year and having to rely on a guy making slightly more than the vet mini as their number two guy. JR shouldn't have to be the number two guy and isn't reliable enough to fill that role on a good team. Also, I agree that his playoff performance was horrible. If it wasn't I doubt he is back because he had a really good season.CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I agree about the playoffs. However, how many teams had to rely on a guy making 2 million to be their second best player in the second round. I can't think of one. It is a fair deal and I think JR played himself out of a lot of money. He made strides last year. The guy is still only 27. Hopefully he grows up some more. He is good signing in my opinion he just shouldn't be the second option.CrushAlot wrote:I dont think people mind having JR here next year. They just dont want to give him a 4 year deal which i agree with. also the playoffs are kind of important for a "win now" team so its not good enough that he had a good regular season and an awful playoffsnixluva wrote:I don't get the intense negativity. This team will actually be better than it was last year. All we can do is try to keep improving the team while keeping continuity. If we do re-sign JR, i'm guessing they'll add an opt out for 2015. Even if they don't that doesn't spell the end for the teams prospects for the future. I think there is WAY too much panic and exaggeration going on with the Knick fan base. This team should have a better mix of talent this year and should be better prepared for the playoffs. The talent in the East is getting better and I think the Knicks are doing the best they can to improve.I agree. Smith's playoff performance was horrible but the guy had a great year. Check out what guys were saying when it looked like the Knicks wouldn't be able to afford him. I get what you're saying, but J.R has made it no secret that he wants to be a starter. Smith was talking about it going back two seasons. JR set the bar for himself and when it mattered most he didn't deliver. That's another reason why I don't believe his salary is germane to the issue. JR wanted more responsibility and he showed that he isn't ready for it. I don't mind JR getting paid, he definitely earned a raise (somewhere) for being sixth man of the year, but considering what happened in the playoffs, I don't believe that he earned a 4 year deal. |
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
7/4/2013 12:14 AM
GustavBahler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:My point went more to the state of the Knicks last year and having to rely on a guy making slightly more than the vet mini as their number two guy. JR shouldn't have to be the number two guy and isn't reliable enough to fill that role on a good team. Also, I agree that his playoff performance was horrible. If it wasn't I doubt he is back because he had a really good season.CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I agree about the playoffs. However, how many teams had to rely on a guy making 2 million to be their second best player in the second round. I can't think of one. It is a fair deal and I think JR played himself out of a lot of money. He made strides last year. The guy is still only 27. Hopefully he grows up some more. He is good signing in my opinion he just shouldn't be the second option.CrushAlot wrote:I dont think people mind having JR here next year. They just dont want to give him a 4 year deal which i agree with. also the playoffs are kind of important for a "win now" team so its not good enough that he had a good regular season and an awful playoffsnixluva wrote:I don't get the intense negativity. This team will actually be better than it was last year. All we can do is try to keep improving the team while keeping continuity. If we do re-sign JR, i'm guessing they'll add an opt out for 2015. Even if they don't that doesn't spell the end for the teams prospects for the future. I think there is WAY too much panic and exaggeration going on with the Knick fan base. This team should have a better mix of talent this year and should be better prepared for the playoffs. The talent in the East is getting better and I think the Knicks are doing the best they can to improve.I agree. Smith's playoff performance was horrible but the guy had a great year. Check out what guys were saying when it looked like the Knicks wouldn't be able to afford him. he's a regular-season player and that's about it. please, knicks management: lets find someone who won't fold like a beach chair in every way imaginable, ok? knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/4/2013 12:18 AM
I think we as fans have to live in the real world and as such, this team has a flawed Star in Melo and last year the 2nd best player was JR. We won a lot of games with that tandem so it's only reasonable that the Knicks would look to keep them together and hopefully add to the talent pool on the team. The way that things went with other teams sucking up the FA talent, it pretty much is forcing JR and the Knicks toward each other. That's not necessarily and bad thing. The key is for the team to improve the talent on the team so that we don't have to rely on just Melo or JR. I believe the Knicks are doing their best to make this team better.
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
7/4/2013 12:22 AM
Knixkik wrote:I agree. He is a good player that shouldn't be the second option. Letting him leave with the hopes of finding a comparable talent with the vet mini or undrafted rookie mini doesn't make sense. He needs to be the sixth man.StarksEwing1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Not exactly. If it was a two year deal and JR stunk next year then it would be easier to trade him since he would be an expiring. Giving a unreliable guy like him 4 years isnt smart. Also felton loves new york and hates to play anywhere else. We all know how he did in portland but he is not as tough to move since he only has 2 years left i thinkStarksEwing1 wrote:Well it looks like we are giving JR a 4 year deal which is insane. I thought people who were pro Bargnani trade said that it was done so we woulndt be giving long contracts past 2015 because of the FA class. i guess that is out the window I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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callmened
Posts: 24448 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/26/2012 Member: #4234 |
7/4/2013 12:34 AM
Well said nixluva
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
7/4/2013 12:35 AM
Alan Hahn @alanhahn 3h I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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CashMoney
Posts: 23145 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 1/15/2011 Member: #3374 USA |
7/4/2013 1:00 AM
Perfect scenario would be to resign JR to a 2 year deal.
However, even a 4 year deal is by no stretch a franchise killing blow. If he continues his level of play we're getting him at a decent price and he would be an attractive piece for a trade down the line. Heck, even at $6.5 per year that's only around $2.75 more than we had committed to Novak. Even on a 4 year deal we have a ton of cap space down the line. Blue & Orange 4 Life!
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Anji
Posts: 25523 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 4/14/2006 Member: #1122 USA |
7/4/2013 1:30 AM
Good signing, bitches going to bitch............ if he plays like he did to clinch the 6MOY award from oct to april, we'll be here next year.
"Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
7/4/2013 1:48 AM
Anji wrote:Good signing, bitches going to bitch............ if he plays like he did to clinch the 6MOY award from oct to april, we'll be here next year. Our bad, forgot that calling fellow Knicks fans "bitches" from behind a computer miles away makes you a real man. |
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
7/4/2013 3:48 AM
People expecting/ hoping for a 2 year deal were kidding themselves- everyone knew that wasn't going to happen, come on! He signed for less than he could have got last season, so we still owe him for that. Likely the bucks offered him a 4yr deal and he decided he'd rather stay with us- its not a case of the market drying up.
We all knew he was getting a max length deal, seems like you just started this 'oh hope it's 2 years' nonsense so you could complain more when the inevitable happened. |
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
7/4/2013 6:25 AM
FrenchKnicks wrote:I'm happy about that, JR was a great player for us last year, we really needed him. +1 The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
Tom Clancy - author
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