crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:smackeddog wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder
That seems pretty fair.
I'm a little amused that so many guys here who want to get rid of Melo to rebuild seem to be on the Tatum train. Isn't Tatum very similar to Melo? He isos, he holds the ball with his little jab step moves... very similar to Melo... except he probably won't be as good...
Part of the reason for wanting rid of melo is his age and that he has become stubborn and refuses to be coached. I would hope that Tatum would be more shapeable.
I've watched Tatum many times and he's more UNSELFISH than Melo. I think he can fit into a team concept better. Yes he is adept at ISO but no one ever said a player should not have that skill. Tatum mixes it up well from what I've seen. He does have similar skills to Melo. I just think he's a better fit.
Melo averaged 23ppg 10rpg 2.2apg and won a championship his freshman year in college.
Tatum is at 16.8ppg 7rpg 2.2apg with very similar shooting, assist, blocks, steals, even foul numbers to Melo.
Not sure what evidence you have he's less selfish, but I'd be fascinated to see it.
SIMPLE the kid gives it up more and picks his spots! He's not ball dominant on his team. Assist numbers don't always tell the whole story.
Melo had a per 40 FGA of 19.2 whereas Tatum is at 15.2
Their shooting percentages are almost identical no matter how you slice them, so 4 more field goal attempts per 40min doesn't mean that much, that could be team makeup as much as anything else.
Still waiting for evidence that he gives up the ball more often. They're about as statistically equal as you can be, Melo just took a few more shots and rebounded much better. Unless Tatum is unselfishly not rebounding so his teammates can get them.
This isn't about whether Tatum is better than Melo! This is about fit for this team and you seem to not really have a clear picture of how Tatum plays.
He's very similar in skills to Melo but he's not the same personality on the court. Of course all scorers look to get the ball a lot. You want the kid to have some killer instinct but they're not built the same. Tatum has a more slender build. He's more of a finesse player than a power player.
He still Isos and holds the ball just as much as Melo. Which is what supposedly broke the triangle this year. (Though weirdly it didn't seem to break the triangle when Kobe or MJ did it, though Phil said the same thing about them)
The reason Phil would complain is when a teammate made a cut and was open you MUST make that pass. There's no reason to force a tougher shot. The entire point of team ball is to get the BEST shot and not just any shot. This is how the Spurs play and basically what the Triangle is about. So Phil who knows all about TEAM BALL from his Knicks Championship team days is only looking to teach his players how to play like that.
Those old Knicks didn't need a system but the Triangle provides a format for team ball and teaching players how to be smarter. It's deeper than PnR. PnR works but not so much when you face the top Defensive teams in the playoffs. You want to have something more to what you do that has more options when the defense stops the initial action. It's just one way to achieve that goal. Not the only way just the way Phil has become most familiar with.
Now ISO is built into the system!!! This is really not a surprise. Phil's issue is not with ISO which is part of the way the Triangle works, but his problem is when the RIGHT play is to draw the defense and make the pass then you MUST DO IT. So the ISO's that the Triangle creates forces the D to respond and if they don't then you can proceed with the ISO possession. The Offense is LITERALLY named the TRIPLE POST OFFENSE, so yeah ISO or a One on One play is going to be at the crux of that, but passing to moving teammates is also at the core of the system.
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