If we can't get J.Noah, A.Horford or P.Gasol and i put Howard and Whiteside on the same level then i wouldn't mind taking a chance on D.Howard as long as Phil and Melo/Rose have a talk with him and get him to take a step back on his character issues and stop whining all the time. He can still be a big help to a team with his game.

So how much would you be for or against signing D.Howard??

newyorker4ever wrote:What D.Howard brings on the court is exactly what we need on this team but his character issues make him look like a bad signing. The guys is an absolute beast at rebounding and is still a good defender and has a good offensive game around the basket and his biggest problem is obviously shooting free throws but it sounds like the NBA will be doing something about the whole hack a shaq thing so that will help his game.

If we can't get J.Noah, A.Horford or P.Gasol and i put Howard and Whiteside on the same level then i wouldn't mind taking a chance on D.Howard as long as Phil and Melo/Rose have a talk with him and get him to take a step back on his character issues and stop whining all the time. He can still be a big help to a team with his game.

So how much would you be for or against signing D.Howard??

For: Max or close to it.

Against: More than 1 year.

EnySpree wrote:If Phil can get in a room with him and convince him to work hard and do the dirty work, then he can make us better. He has a ***** face though. Can't trust a dude with a ***** face

The more I think about it the more you HAVE to bring him in.
I mean Dwight/KP/Melo/Rose... if they are reasonably healthy for a playoff run who wants to play that team? My god... we have to give this a shot I think. You just have to

GustavBahler wrote:Howard is a passive aggressive version of JR Smith. If Im going to sign a 30 year old, I would rather go after Holford. Pretty sure there will be a lot less drama, and Im guessing that he would fight harder for a ring. Howard still has no low post game to speak of, Holford does. Ideally, I would rather sign more players on the way up than on the way down.

Dwight is #2 though.. and you start talking right away to him. Tell Horford he's our #1 and if it leaks we are talking to Dwight tell Horford the truth! But man... if we cant get Horford and I have no reason to think we could, than Dwight is realistic option that I think we simply have to take a shot at. That squad gets hot they can go all the way

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If Phil can get in a room with him and convince him to work hard and do the dirty work, then he can make us better. He has a ***** face though. Can't trust a dude with a ***** face

I know... he's the guy we will love to hate though because it will never be KP's fault lol!

The more I think about it the more you HAVE to bring him in.
I mean Dwight/KP/Melo/Rose... if they are reasonably healthy for a playoff run who wants to play that team? My god... we have to give this a shot I think. You just have to

If you are in for DHoward, would you also be in for Whiteside?

How do you NOT take a chance on adding the piece that makes you a title contender? No.. I would think the KNicks would be favorites... but if Dwight/Melo/Rose/KP are all playing well to start the postseason cmon... can you imagine Dwight on Tristan? KP on Love? Melo on Bron, Rose on Kyrie and its Langston's job to irritate JR all night? It would be the most fun in a LONG time

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:What D.Howard brings on the court is exactly what we need on this team but his character issues make him look like a bad signing. The guys is an absolute beast at rebounding and is still a good defender and has a good offensive game around the basket and his biggest problem is obviously shooting free throws but it sounds like the NBA will be doing something about the whole hack a shaq thing so that will help his game.

If we can't get J.Noah, A.Horford or P.Gasol and i put Howard and Whiteside on the same level then i wouldn't mind taking a chance on D.Howard as long as Phil and Melo/Rose have a talk with him and get him to take a step back on his character issues and stop whining all the time. He can still be a big help to a team with his game.

So how much would you be for or against signing D.Howard??

For: Max or close to it.

Against: More than 1 year.

My only concern with not giving him the 4 years is he breaks down so fast nobody will touch him. Even if he's a PITA I fully believe we can move him easily. 98 mph fastball. Unless he play 50 games gives you 8/8 and shoots 48% we will be fine I think.

I'm more concerned with the character issues you well document.

If he wants to turn over a new leaf, he's got to walk it, not just talk in in July.

Jackson to Howard: "Rose in on a one year deal. You do it too. You guys bust your ass, play nice with KP and Melo, make a postseason run, we'll bring ya back, improve the supporting cast and we'll all go after it for 4 years together."

Otherwise, no.

Point is the first step is to get the talent. Cant risk missing out so you can "feel better" about the terms. I think you have to do what it takes and PHil needs to work with Jeff to get these guys on the same page and coexisting. The skill sets sure as hell fit

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54608

LOL... you posted your 1 minute first. You win !

Hahahaha nice. I didn't know he already met with Phil and actually he can't talk to teams yet so not sure what that's all about. Like you said we all agree that the guy can be a tool bag but what he brings on the court is still pretty damn good and if he didn't say or do any of the stupid stuff he's done over the years he'd be a top guy out there to get and every team would be chasing him cause while he's not the same player he used to be he's still a really good player.

I'd be nervous as all hell if we signed him but it could turn out to be a great signing and i know it could turn out to be a not great signing but even with his character issues it would still be good signing. Does that make sense?

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Howard is a passive aggressive version of JR Smith. If Im going to sign a 30 year old, I would rather go after Holford. Pretty sure there will be a lot less drama, and Im guessing that he would fight harder for a ring. Howard still has no low post game to speak of, Holford does. Ideally, I would rather sign more players on the way up than on the way down.

YES YES!!! And 1. I dont think anyone disagrees.. Al/KP would be simply tantalizing on both ends. Coaches dream the schemes you can run on both ends.

Dwight is #2 though.. and you start talking right away to him. Tell Horford he's our #1 and if it leaks we are talking to Dwight tell Horford the truth! But man... if we cant get Horford and I have no reason to think we could, than Dwight is realistic option that I think we simply have to take a shot at. That squad gets hot they can go all the way

IDK Fish, giving someone like Howard unlimited access to the NY press feels like giving a pharmacy to a drug addict. Im not so sure that a ring is all that important to him. Can we sign him on a week to week contract? lol.

It would have to be a reeeal short deal for me to want to risk it. I dont believe KP would turn into a Dwight Howard clone if he was his wingman, but he's not exactly the guy I want to see having a hand in mentoring him. Nothing long term, that's for sure.