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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
7/1/2015 4:03 PM LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015 5:16 PM
Having an OWNER SUPPORT Phil Jackson and has the willingness/ability to take care of players with his power/connections/network along with owning an ENTIRE TV NETWORK IN MSG *with a couple of channels, like MSG 2, MSG + and another 1-2 channels*
It would set a SACRIFICE for the BETTER of the TEAM along with a winning Culture, better roster in order to contend next season and the next decade + especially when KP/Grant could contribute on a high level We want to BUILD A FAMILY and with guarantees from Phil Jackson and Dolan, even CA, their *words and promise* would increase our chances in getting TOP TEIR TALENTS and keeping them, along with 2nd/3rd tier talents/ and even VET MINS, all taking less to WIN IN MSG that could improve their abilities to market in the entire US and internationally, especially if we become LEGIT CONTENDERS when Lebron James declines For the HIGHEST SALARY outside of Lebron James being 17.5 for DeAndre Jordan/LA/Marc Gasol
14m for the YOUNGER MAX, possibly for less for some other talents with Draymond Green somewhere above Tobias Harris to MAX, a reason why Greg Monroe could take a BIT LESS, as we should get Dolan to be part of this recruiting process along with CA/Phil Jackson/Fisher, KP/Grant, especially with the rise of the cap the next couple of years, with Dolan's word to take care of them on and off the court, along with a FUTURE JOB for life after basketball, business opportunites, Network/building brand that Dolan has along with owning a TV network in MSG that could be used for advertisements and other possible Sports like Reality TV Like Greg Monroe for 14m *would allow us to possibly still sign/trade for D Jordan/Marc Gasol/ LA, *though we would need to at least stretch Calderon or force trades as well as other contracts like Early etc*
Kanter, 13.5m with raises, possibly 3year deal with PLAYER OPTION for 3rd
talents from 4-6m for talents such as Wesley Johnson who I think would be a great mentor for Thanasis because of their similar skill sets/weakness's that could play WITH HIM and help him develop his game as Johnson's rookie years and how he could give advice to Thanasis *we need to use salary cap or part of exemption to start a contract at about 1m instead of about 500k for a 3year deal with team option so we have his early bird rights and not worry about overpaying to keep him as he will need time/resources to develop* reach his ceiling
#40 SF6' 9", 200 lbsUtah Jazz BornOct 24, 1987 in Crossett, AR (Age: 27) Drafted2010: 2nd Rnd, 55th by UTAH CollegeWestern Kentucky Experience 5 years in Utah and DeMaRRE CAROLL was developed by Utah that didn't get much PT till he signed a 2year deal with Atlanta and now a MAX 4year deal to go to Toronto, which could make Amir Johnson available *though would not sign him RIGHT now, he could be a cheaper option as a backup option* - Andray Blatche at about 3-3.5m
Making other teams OVERPAY for talent or at least get fair deals We could use our salary cap to help Jimmy Butler become a UFA in 2 seasons, with a MAX deal with player option for 3rd year so he will be a UFA with Westbrook in 2 years to target - Jae Crowder
- Justin Hamilton *UFA, for a vet min 2year deal* - John Jenkins UFA /Austin Daye RFA - Next year, try to get Fuzaro if we can buy low now and try to target him next year - D LEAGUE TALENTS/Undrafted FA's in this years draft and previous drafts, continued development talents from bad teams to winning teams that do not get many minutes/ International talents especially with our SCOUT's approval, SUMMER LEAGE/WESCHESTER ROSTER - especially for the Euro guy that Twolves on the rights to but he has leverage over Twolves as he can OPT in to his deal in Europe and force his way to NYK's with limitted compensation as they are already STACKED WITH YOUNG TALENTS/ROSTER with many OLDER VETS that they could look to deal to save money
- does anyone know for sure if Mike Muscula is a RFA or not? is there any talent worth considering for poison pills this year? which isn't really a poison pill with the rise of the cap next year, as we see many players signing these HUGE deals now????????
That is why 3pt shooting, is a skill that can be learned, out of all the weakness's in players, and if Thanasis continues to improve his 3pt shot, he could be similar and why we MUST lock him up to a 3year deal instead of the 2year deal that would pay him 500k, under 1m, while he took much less to develop in the D LEAGUE last year, so he would he sacrificed for the better of the team already
Especially if we can acquire talents that can actually DEFEND on a high level with 2way talents and a well balanced roster that could score and defend to be part of our rotation Such as Jordan, Wesley Matthews, and younger talents to learn off them that has the potential to do well like Thanasis
SG/SF PF- KP *in 1-2 seasons but play some minutes at SF/PF right now* traditonal's being Brandon Wright/Lavoy Allen/David West/Mike Muscula/DMO etc.... DeAndre Jordan *with Thabeet/Biyombo behind him with KP* along with Mike Muscula/DMO/David Lee/Greg Monroe *he play his best at Center IMO and if EVERY OTHER POSITION is versatile and able to defend/block shots, we do not NEED Monroe/LA to be a great shot blocker like with Draymond Green at Center in the Finals |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
7/1/2015 4:04 PM
agree ... well at least to the first 250 lines
 so here is what phil is thinking ....
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
7/1/2015 4:17 PM LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015 4:48 PM
Possible TRADE TARGETS or/and future deals
============================================================ - Twolves With this market, we should consider value plays for trades for Twolve's roster, especially if The Euro SF/PF, along with Shabazz Muhammad, Gorjui Dieng, and VETS of Budnger (expiring but would help Twovles save money* along with vets of Kevin Martin/Pekovic who I both value at negative contracts especially Pekovic's contract with his injury concerns *would need to get rid of Calderon who makes less money
They have many CHEAP YOUNG TALENTS such as Jerami Grant *Grant's older brother*, Jakarr Samspon *could be Aminu as continued develpment, probably the best SF/PF defender that could defend 3-4 positions on their roster Hollis THompson/Robert Covington PG's Tony Wroten *if we can buy low, because of his elite quick/speed/athleticism/strength/ability to penetrate/finish with contact/and facilitate, ALSO PUSH TEMPO also VERY GOOD HANDS and anticipation for STEALS, with the size to defend SG's as well at 6-4 (NALOD please no jokes) Ish Smith *we have a similar talent on our D League roster* Probably the quickest and fastest NBA guard without the ball if not TOP 5 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE Isiah Cannon *Cannon could SHOOT VERY WELL* Thomas Robinson/Henri Sims/Luc Mboute *ALL of which are UFA* with Robinson being the only player I would have real interest in as a undersized PF that could be a cheap options and continued development that was drafted before Andre Drummond and Damion Lilliard, along with Harrison Barnes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NBA_draft
Philly have multiple draft picks, with limited roster spots, that we could use in addition to these value players, we can use 1 future 1st rounder *unprotected only if they take Calderon's contract* - Houston DMO also coming off injury if we can buy low, as they have been rumored to try to acquire a BIG that can shoot, with stretch 4's, LA/Kevin Love/Millsap, possibly cheaper options as well
Along with other talents such as Bradley Beal/John Wall, Battum/MKG/Kemba Walker/Frank Kaminski, Joe Johnson/Thad Young, Millsap/Kyle Korver/Dennis Schroedder, DeMaRRE Carroll/DeMar DeRozan
Amir Johnson
acquiring players that took philosophies off The Triangle and their sets instead of fully instilling a system that takes time to develop, along with some PnR's *WHICH KP and Grant strengths are, especially KP They likely will need to cut SOME salaries and decide who will be part of their future and some cheaper options instead GS would have over a 100m payroll and might not be able to keep all their talents - 3 team trade for DeANdre Jordan to New York with Bogut to CLippers with Tyson Chandler signing with The Suns - Draymond Green *unlikely*/ Harrison Barnes and his DEFENSIVE ABILITES
Justin Holiday/James McAddoo both of which we would own EARLY BIRD RIGHTS to
for salary dumps Brandon Rush *expiring* and their Euro shooter as well
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/#hh-tab-team-salaries
Andrew Bynum *as a development coach as he can help give advice to a YOUNG BIG developing in the Triangle as he was 17/18 when he was drafted* Jermaine Oneil to provide leadership and was one of the TOP NBA PF/C's at one point using his athleticism/length/mobility/strength despite being thinner was a DOMINANT FORCE and could have won had a ring had he the brawl in the Detroit/The Palace not happened with Reggie Miller/Dale Davis and the primes of Ron Artest/Stephen Jackson/Jermaine Oneil, and solid role players in Greg Foster/Scott Pollard/Tinsley/Austin Croshere Javale McGee and LARRY SANDERS, Sander's quit basketball after he got the contract he seeked, however, for an ungaranteed roster spot/salary vet min that isn't guaranteed or only parital guarantee if he does well in our Summer roster Anthony Randolph who played well last year in Europe and not is more mature and is a skilled PF that could handle the ball and would fit in with our Golden STate played in the Finals and could be a trend with Dantoni with the evolution of the NBA with 5 3pt shooters, 5 playmakers, 5 rebounders/defenders at the same time to push tempo and cheat/recover at the same time Chris Johnsons one PF/C and one SG/SF
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callmened
Posts: 24448 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/26/2012 Member: #4234 |
7/1/2015 4:22 PM
yikes. you're summaries are excellent man. maybe you should work for the knicks. you even provided references. lets hope youre not too disappointed
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
7/1/2015 4:24 PM
callmened wrote:mreinman wrote:agree ... well at least to the first 250 lines
Having a strong with a good relationship with The OWNER with such POWER, CONNECTIONS, and his OWN TV Network, could be the difference in acquiring/keeping talent, along with LIFE AFTER BASKETBALL Had Larry Brown had a better relationship with Dolan, things could have worked out very differently |
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SwishAndDish13
Posts: 20878 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/2/2013 Member: #5700 |
7/1/2015 4:30 PM
The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved.
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
7/1/2015 4:31 PM
I'd like to think a presentation to the agents & players showing them ways they can build their brand & generate more money in NYC than another market would help.
I'm just not sure that there are any facts that actually back that up. |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
7/1/2015 4:31 PM
Only when it involves Melo
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
7/1/2015 4:32 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. did they give him more or was it because Toronto actually looks like a good team ? so here is what phil is thinking ....
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
7/1/2015 4:35 PM
mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. Toronto was the division winner and offered him more than any other team. It was a smart move. Players want to play for winning teams and get their money. Knicks have to get a guy to take a leap of faith like Amar'e did or invest in lower profile guys and strike gold. Our profile right now is about the same as the Charlotte Hornets around the league. ¿ △ ?
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
7/1/2015 4:35 PM
mreinman wrote:They gave him more. I believe he canceled his other meetings. Also, the guy that used to work for the Nets said they have to overpay because of the taxes there.SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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SwishAndDish13
Posts: 20878 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/2/2013 Member: #5700 |
7/1/2015 4:35 PM
mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. The majority of these decisions seem monetary or convenience driven. Probably a combination, but a lot of these guys are just taking the money. All of these "recruiting" articles are a dog and pony show for fans IMO. Gotta sell us that guys aren't in it for the money. Sure some love the game but for many it is a job. |
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mreinman
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7/1/2015 4:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:They gave him more. I believe he canceled his other meetings. Also, the guy that used to work for the Nets said they have to overpay because of the taxes there.SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. yeah ... maybe we had a whole thread about canadian taxes and if its a deterrent so here is what phil is thinking ....
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CrushAlot
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7/1/2015 4:39 PM
mreinman wrote:Marks is really sharp. I hope he becomes a media member or starts his own site. He has a lot of knowledge that he is putting out there on twitter.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:They gave him more. I believe he canceled his other meetings. Also, the guy that used to work for the Nets said they have to overpay because of the taxes there.SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Finestrg
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7/1/2015 4:40 PM LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015 4:46 PM
callmened wrote:mreinman wrote:agree ... well at least to the first 250 lines Yeah seriously, no offense Ron--you always have interesting ideas and points to make and put a ton of effort into your thoughts which I applaud you for, but I gotta disagree here, respectfully. Agree with Ned--keep that **** bag as far away from these players as possible. I honestly don't think it means anything or would help matters if Jimmy's there or not....Melo's the one that needs to be there, esp. for any of the tier 1 FAs we plan to meet with. |
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mreinman
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7/1/2015 4:41 PM
crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. I agree that Carroll made the right move ... Amare took a leap of faith? You have to be kidding! so here is what phil is thinking ....
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CrushAlot
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7/1/2015 4:44 PM
In regards to Dolan, I don't think anyone could be more impressive than Phil. Not sure how Dolan presents himself in meetings. I like him in the background.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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SwishAndDish13
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7/1/2015 4:45 PM
mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved. Here is a pic of the leap Amare took. https://thescript.thetake.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Duck-Tales-Money-Dive.jpg |
