Grant might be able to be our #2 or #3 scoring option. Anderson is a nice shooter but he isn't exactly a scorer and I think we need a more explosive talent on offense.
And Grant is a good defender, not at Andersons level, but Grant probably gives us much more overall (unless Anderson really really develops his offensive game.)
Not sure passing on a talent like Grant would be that wise.

fishmike wrote:there were a lot of good players there... are you down on the Grant pick?

Briggs is just casting his net over the "aw man, we should have taken this guys......" so when he does well, he can repost it down the road.

Im wondering how many are on the list this year?

BRIGGS wrote:I think we blew an enormous opportunity. A guy who can defend elite opposition players 1through possibly even 5.What people were saying about Stein I thought in reality was Andersen. I'm still shocked we got 19+35 not happy with the strategy of the pick compared to team need and allocation.Andersen will be a fist team all nba defender within2-3 years. We have allocation to Calderon Alex s Galloway was Grant really a necessity pick.? We could've drafted Andersen and Powell and took so much pressure off/ the team short/long term

no guarantee Shved is back- we probably release him and try to resign him.

And Calderon is suspect in that you can't really plan on him being healthy after last season - he may just be breaking down or not taking care of himself.

So, you have Gallo as your PG - and he was undrafted and for a reason. He gave us nice, gritty play - but I'm thinking we'll get more from Grant this season that we do from Gallo.

Ton of holes- only so many can be filled at once.

Really. I mean Artest was better than Frederic Weiss and yes he won a ring but to say that Anderson is the next Artest is not exactly a compliment or a reason to pick him.

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:there were a lot of good players there... are you down on the Grant pick?

Briggs is just casting his net over the "aw man, we should have taken this guys......" so when he does well, he can repost it down the road.

Im wondering how many are on the list this year?

Its funny because on my final board I had Grant at 19 and he was picked at 19. That said I had Andersen at 9 and as high as 6. I also had Powell at 23. I knew/know what this team needed. This team needs athletic perimeter defenders. We couldve had TWO of them and when season pass we will look back at this as lost opportunity. Each player had his own offensive skill set---Andersen 3-D and he called attention to his driving game this offseason Powell a great penetration game with a solid mid range shot. Both guys huge 235--215 with 40+ inch vertical snd 7 foot wingspans with power body's. Physical defenders that we couldve used to HIDE deficiency and over long term to actually. impose will. When we play a Chicago a GS A Milwaukee a Boston etc.. we LACK an elite perimeter defender We have NO one who can match skills one -one. Andersen is IMPOSING outright nasty and Powell is right behind him. We didnt need Grant and while hes a solid player he wasnt BPA for this team. We went for the home run on pick 4 I got it all the way 100% agreement with it--Porzingis or Hezonga. Greta pick ballsy pick.

BUT if we look at team make up we lack defenders all over the place. Jerian Grant is just a fair sized combo guard who is a reasonable defender--nothing great. We have done NOTHINg ZERO NADA with all of these moves to solidify our DEFENSE and thats too bad.

Npow were going to pay way too much for a 35 year old PF and my bet is too much for a slow 7 footer. We just didnt need Grant we needed Andersen

Knicksfan wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:there were a lot of good players there... are you down on the Grant pick?

Briggs is just casting his net over the "aw man, we should have taken this guys......" so when he does well, he can repost it down the road.

Im wondering how many are on the list this year?

Its funny because on my final board I had Grant at 19 and he was picked at 19. That said I had Andersen at 9 and as high as 6. I also had Powell at 23. I knew/know what this team needed. This team needs athletic perimeter defenders. We couldve had TWO of them and when season pass we will look back at this as lost opportunity. Each player had his own offensive skill set---Andersen 3-D and he called attention to his driving game this offseason Powell a great penetration game with a solid mid range shot. Both guys huge 235--215 with 40+ inch vertical snd 7 foot wingspans with power body's. Physical defenders that we couldve used to HIDE deficiency and over long term to actually. impose will. When we play a Chicago a GS A Milwaukee a Boston etc.. we LACK an elite perimeter defender We have NO one who can match skills one -one. Andersen is IMPOSING outright nasty and Powell is right behind him. We didnt need Grant and while hes a solid player he wasnt BPA for this team. We went for the home run on pick 4 I got it all the way 100% agreement with it--Porzingis or Hezonga. Greta pick ballsy pick.

BUT if we look at team make up we lack defenders all over the place. Jerian Grant is just a fair sized combo guard who is a reasonable defender--nothing great. We have done NOTHINg ZERO NADA with all of these moves to solidify our DEFENSE and thats too bad.

Npow were going to pay way too much for a 35 year old PF and my bet is too much for a slow 7 footer. We just didnt need Grant we needed Andersen

Briggs, what about Thanassis? People here bring a valid point that Thanassis may be ready to prove himself in the big club and brings exactly what you mention Anderson brings.

If anything, the Knicks may finally be aware of their assets and be trying to use them wisely. They may believe Thanassis is ready and therefore saw a major hole to fill in Pg, making Grant a great pick. Who really cares how high Anderson was, if we have a similar guy already up to play?

Andersen is huge(235 pounds) physical enough to guard 4's and 5's. Andersen can shoot it Thansis not close. Andersen can develop just like Butler did---I dont see that with Thansis.

I think Grant is a fine player, but he is also a culture changer, IMO.

A good PG:

who gets others involved, but can also score, and has good athleticism

who is a bit older and also used to being a leader

who has a BB pedigree and seems to be well grounded

who is said to have one of the highest BB IQs of anyone coming out of the draft

Same thing with Porzingis and Hernangomez, very grounded players, who BOTH had parents and siblings who played the game.

I love Galloway, and was an early supporter, but he is better as more of an off guard, IMO. I expect him to look much better this year, but Grant is the more natural "lead" guard, in my mind. I think they will make an interesting pair when on the court together. Galloway is also more of a leader than some might expect, and I think this might emerge a little more this year.

Grant fits in perfectly with what Jackson wants. Would have liked to have Anderson, too, but if I had to choose if would for Grant at this spot.

I do feel Briggs' pain, though. Its a matter of "opportunity costs," and no matter who you take, you will always compare that player with another you might have taken.

Just the way it goes.

With Twolves they took Prince Onuakua, a PF that could rebound effectively and hustle player/defender
Lakers/Miami/GS called up some very good talents with Justin HOliday/McAddoo/Festiz Ezili and used the D League to develop their younger players with their Euro Center who could contribute next season with Festiz Ezili/SPeights while trading Bogut/David Lee to a team that needs a Center, such as Clippers if they lose Jordan

Many teams signed D League talents in the final games of the season, so they can sign them to a 1year deal after, while attaining their early bird rights, as they would be able to develop keep them before the new CBA's contracts kick in
Philly fully took advantage of this, singing MANY YOUNG TALNETS to 2-3year deals, while they stocked draft picks/young talents, if by 2017 they can convince multiple TOP TIER or 2nd TIER FA's to goto PHilly, they have the ability to sign Durant/Lebron/ and another MAX PLAYER, along with other 2ndary/3rd tier STAR's to go with all their YOUNG TALENT
With the ability to continue to make many trades and afford to overpay for talents and still have more than enough picks to develop HIGH potential players
Though they would need to convince 1 TOP TIER player to go there first, not many teams have the ability to sign 3 MAX FA's with 3 PF/Centers to defend/rebound/and score in the POST, along with EURO DRAFT STASHES such as SF/PF Dario Saric, along with OK4, Noel, EMbid, Robert Covington/Jakarr Sampson/Jerami Grant/Hollis Thompson, PG's Tony Wroten, Ish Smith/Isiah Cannon, along with the rights to Thomas Robinson and some 2nd round talents/undrafted players with 50 draft picks int he next 5 years

He shoots an extremely high % for FG %, from 50 - 60% and handles the ball very well/facilitates/post game/mid range shot and had a couple triple doubles with HUGE lines in the D League
I would target all 3 of these players with no hesitation, Phil Jackson might want to sign them to summer league first, however, another team could just sign them, I would not mind giving them guaranteed spots, all great FITS and Value talents, other position to consider in the D League should be backup Center *Thabeet and PF/C along with Willie Reed *poor mans Greg Monroe, they have MANY SG's to choose from, some SF/PF's, and some solid BACKUP PG's *though we have enough already on our roster*

The D League has been great in recent years, to develop talents that come out of college but simply are not ready to play yet but still has potential, some past callups include Stephen Jackson *to The Spur's and won a ring with them as a GREAT SHOOTER/DEFENDER/VERSATILE with great size to play SG - the stretch PF, and had made a great career from himself after that, probably would have had a very good chance in Reggie Miller's final season had it not been for "The Brawl in The Palace, with a team with great depth and many great young talents with Reggie Miller such as, Ron Arest *in his prime*, Reggie Miller, Stephen Jackson,
Jermaine Oneil, Dale Davis, Austin Croschere, Jamal Tinsley/Anthony Johnson, Greg Foster/Scott Pollard, Fred Jones *ex Knick*, James Jones in his prime, Eddie Gill
In the 2004/2005 Season, had Reggie Miller announced that he was retiring he felt "the brawl" could have been avoided and had the depth/great DEFENSE/ and many versatile/skilled talents to contend for a TITLE

Brandon Wright
Gereld Green
James Johnson

Ajincia
Anthony Morrow

Jerome Jordan (part of the reason why Nets sent Mason Plumlee to Blazers as they look to get younger with The D League/Undrafted FA's along with Corey Jefferson who was a LATE 2nd rounder)

For Thabeet especially if we are able to sign DeANdre Jordan *I think should be our #1 target and we can even sign both Monroe and Jordan if we move a couple of contracts or/and stretch Calderon*
If we are going to spend money on WINNERS like Jordan/ Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/DeMaRRe Carroll, Millsap etc...
We should sign YOUNGER/CHEAPER talents that they can mentor and elevate

Jared Cunningham has improved his 3pt shot and was once compared to Westbrook for his athleticism/ability to penetrate
For once regarded "high potential players" they were drafted in the lottery for a reason and after a couple of season if they continue to develop/work hard, just like Hassan Whiteside improved
The D League has been a GREAT farm system that we have to fully take advantage of and keep an eye for cheap talent at all times, last season had we fully signed those talents, we would be in great position moving forward and even contend for a play off spot if we drafted talents like

Tyler Johnson/Galloway

Jabari Brown/ Jerami Grant
Justin Holiday/ Jakkar Sampson

Robert Covington/ James Mcadoo
WHiteside

Utah's PF/C's
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They have a payroll of about 50m after cap holds, so would have enough for about a MAX contract and they need may need a Center as well, could also have room exemption *under 3m for 2year deals if they didn't use it last season as it could be used every other year if under the salary cap* or could have the FULL MLE (about 6m with raises*

Derrick Favors *rumored to trading him to Atlanta for Millsap who would demand more money than Atlanta may want to him him with DeMaRRe Carroll who also came from Utah*
Rudy Gobert *only legit Center after trading Kanter to OKC*

Trey Lylez

Trevor Booker *unguaranteed deal*
Grant Jerrett
Jack Cooley
Jerrelle Benimon *there is a chance he doesn't make the roster as the guys ahead of him have guaranteed/partial guaranteed deals but I think he is more skilled then some of them*
Gordan Hayword is BIG SF that could play PF when teams decide to play SMALL BALL to defend players like Durant/Rudy Gay/Morris Brothers/GS's small ball lineups

They have many SG/SF's as well already, so the best chance for Benimon to make the roster is to play the PF and PF/C *stretch 4/5* with an all round game