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crzymdups wrote:At this point, I'd really prefer to just keep the pick and take the guy we want to take.

I'm sort of thinking the Knicks will lean towards Winslow because of his fit in the system. If they like Winslow, I'd just take him at 4.

I could see the Knicks trading down and thinking Winslow or WCS would be available at 7 or 8 and then having a team just ahead of them take their guy. That to me would be the biggest disaster.

We got screwed with the 4th pick. Just take the best guy available there. Trading down will only compound the misfortune of getting the fourth pick.

Stein is not a reasonable target... he's about as bad a fit as mudiay with half the impact....

getting a veteran is also pretty bad unless it's superstar talent... it's pretty much making very little use of the cap space we have...

this #4 pick... whoever it is.. would be #1 in next year's draft... so dealing to get back into the 2016 draft is not too enticing to me...

yellowboy90 wrote:I'd do the Milwaukee trade in a minute if Rus, Towns, and OK4 are gone. I wouldn't use the 17th pick on Tyus Jones though.. I'd probably go Upshaw, Lyles, Dekker, or Grant.

Yeah i'm with you in agreeing that the Bucks trade looks to be a good one and we can choose who we want at pick #17 which there will still be plenty of talent left on the board at that pick. With that trade we'd have a pretty nice looking lineup before we even bring in another starter in free agency.

Gallo/Shved/Calderon/free agent/draft pick
K.Middleton/Timmy
Melo
Free agent/draft pick
J.Henson

fwk00 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Pick BPA at #4 and don't look back. At this point, we can't hamstring our future by "triangle fit". If Mudiay has franchise-player level talent, snag him or whomever the BPA is at our pick.

We can always change the system if the players can't adapt.

BINGO!

I don't see anything exciting in any of those trades. Largely journeymen who can't win elsewhere. Once you decide to keep the pick, it becomes a numbers game not a triangle fit game.

Assuming we sign a backcourt prospect at four, we no longer need to be in the market for PG/SGs AND Hardaway becomes expendable for a second, first-rounder.

Charlotte, Miami, and OKC are strapped for cash, have a need to compete more than rebuild, and might listen if their situation was compelling enough.

In Charlotte, Calderon and Early for Stephenson and #9 might start a conversation.

In Miami, a dual transaction, McRoberts and #10 for the JR Smith trade exception and Hardaway might garner interest.

For OKC, the Jr Smith Trade Exception, Hardaway and Early for Novak, Lamb, and #14 could be a door-opener.

The contending teams need FA money and the ability to lose what they experience as bad contracts. The Knicks can absorb a roster spot or to if the payoff is Lyles, Kaminsky, Stein, Looney, Dekker, Turner, BPA within reach at these positions.

That might be a nice early summer haul.

Ummmmmm what are you talking about saying the player in those trade options are journeymen?? I'm pretty sure not one single player in any of those trades is a journeymen and then you come out with worse trades then any of the ones in the bleacher report article. LOL

newyorker4ever wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Pick BPA at #4 and don't look back. At this point, we can't hamstring our future by "triangle fit". If Mudiay has franchise-player level talent, snag him or whomever the BPA is at our pick.

We can always change the system if the players can't adapt.

BINGO!

I don't see anything exciting in any of those trades. Largely journeymen who can't win elsewhere. Once you decide to keep the pick, it becomes a numbers game not a triangle fit game.

Assuming we sign a backcourt prospect at four, we no longer need to be in the market for PG/SGs AND Hardaway becomes expendable for a second, first-rounder.

Charlotte, Miami, and OKC are strapped for cash, have a need to compete more than rebuild, and might listen if their situation was compelling enough.

In Charlotte, Calderon and Early for Stephenson and #9 might start a conversation.

In Miami, a dual transaction, McRoberts and #10 for the JR Smith trade exception and Hardaway might garner interest.

For OKC, the Jr Smith Trade Exception, Hardaway and Early for Novak, Lamb, and #14 could be a door-opener.

The contending teams need FA money and the ability to lose what they experience as bad contracts. The Knicks can absorb a roster spot or to if the payoff is Lyles, Kaminsky, Stein, Looney, Dekker, Turner, BPA within reach at these positions.

That might be a nice early summer haul.

Ummmmmm what are you talking about saying the player in those trade options are journeymen?? I'm pretty sure not one single player in any of those trades is a journeymen and then you come out with worse trades then any of the ones in the bleacher report article. LOL

The bleacher report trades are a stretch. milwaukee isn't trading Henson AND Middleton to us. The rest I'm sure are popular with fans who think we just restock the roster and get back to being mediocre.

The trades I propose are edgier, involve risk, and are closer to how business is conducted. Certain teams have otherwise untradeable contracts AND fiscal constraints that put them in very uncomfortable positions. They can choke on that discomfort or talk to one of the few teams who can help. That's a very easy proposition.

So, you pointed out the trades are terrible because of *our* offerings. This is a head-scratcher. Our offerings are cap friendly, save the team acquiring the players and trade exceptions *millions of dollars* and room to sign free agents and players they might not otherwise have the ability to sign.

This mentality that our players stink is part of the problem with these boards. Prig, JR, Shump, Amare, and dozens more were all treated like garbage by a segment of the fans and they're doing just peachy.

the players we acquire, picks aside, are the risky parts of the deals. They are expensive, longer term contracts who can continue to self-destruct OR reinvent their game in NY. That's the tricky part.

MIami, OKC and Charlotte can choke on the players they have or they can have a conversation. WE are in that driver's seat.