nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:All dems are proposing is to tax the rich and dump the money in bottomless extremely inefficient government controlled projects.
What I am talking about is to provide incentives for reach people and corporations to invest in this areas.
As per minimum wage increase this is exactly what it will do. Corporations and small business will hire less workers, fire some excess, and do more automation. So the result will be more unemployed people with no skills and experience to do the jobs which are available. We will be better off to spend money not on min wage increase bit on workers training and educations to make them do better paid work.

Why would you say this unless you prescribe to the Right wing talking heads who spout this crap. Just so you know it was Gov't projects that created the American Middle class. The GI bill was HUGE for those Americans returning from WWII.

As for your claim that raising the Minimum wage will cause Big Corps to hire fewer workers and fire people that has been debunked over and over since every time the Minimum wage has been raised in this country it has not caused the loss of jobs you are talking about. This is also another Conservative, Big Business LIE that they keep spouting so people like you will believe that the Progressives are wrong and the Conservatives are right. They are not right and it gets proven over and over again. Their policies are created by Big Business. The same Big Business that funds the Republican Party almost exclusively.

The Most Rigorous Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Employment

The opinion of the economics profession on the impact of the minimum wage has shifted significantly over the past fifteen years. Today, the most rigorous research shows little evidence of job reductions from a higher minimum wage. Indicative is a 2013 survey by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business in which leading economists agreed by a nearly 4 to 1 margin that the benefits of raising and indexing the minimum wage outweigh the costs.

Paul Krugman, Princeton University, February 2013: “Now, you might argue that even if the current minimum wage seems low, raising it would cost jobs. But there’s evidence on that question — lots and lots of evidence, because the minimum wage is one of the most studied issues in all of economics. U.S. experience, it turns out, offers many ‘natural experiments’ here, in which one state raises its minimum wage while others do not. And while there are dissenters, as there always are, the great preponderance of the evidence from these natural experiments points to little if any negative effect of minimum wage increases on employment.”

Summary: Examines every minimum wage increase in the United States over the past two decades—including increases that took place during protracted periods of high unemployment—and finds that raising the wage floor boosted incomes without reducing employment or slowing job creation. The research demonstrates how a body of previous research—one frequently relied on by business lobbyists who oppose minimum wage increases—inaccurately attributes declines in employment to increases in the minimum wage by failing to sufficiently account for critical economic factors. [NELP Summary]

Let's get one thing straight. Corporations aren't these benevolent entities that are looking to hire people in order to help them. They constantly look for every means to limit the amount of employees they have. This is just the way business works. However, the Repubs have made corporate welfare their big priority. They keep reducing Corp Taxes and regulations but rather than hire more workers with all those profits Big Business has not used that money to invest in America but instead to line their pockets.

The economic recovery is 2 years old. Corporate America is thriving again. But “for hire” signs at the USA’s biggest companies are surprisingly scarce.

By most measures, the Great Recession has faded like a bad dream for U.S. companies. Profits at the Standard & Poor’s 500 big companies are expected to jump 15% this year to record levels, on top of a 47% jump last year.
Shareholders are reaping the benefits, with stock prices almost doubling since the 2009 low and companies adding a 7% dividend kicker in 2010. And companies spent $299 billion buying back their own stock last year, a record 117% jump from 2009.
Yet all that financial fanfare hasn’t translated into a big windfall for people looking for work at the country’s largest companies.

I know you have your point of view, but trust me i've studied this topic intensely and I wouldn't argue unless I knew what I was talking about. I never do. The things I present are the truth.

Lets put aside the statistics which as you know well can be turn ether way depending of which data you will consider to defend your point.
What increased minimum wage gives you per month for family with one person working $10x20x7.5=$1500.
The elderly and disabled people on SSI/Food-stamps are getting $1300 per month for family of 2.
This is only good enough to survive when family have subsidized housing, utilities, and free medical coverage (like Medicade/Medicare combination).
Minimum wage is just SSI replacement for people who have no skills or desire to get better paid job.
Instead of forcing them to work society just need to pay them this $1300 per month and let them be.
The money will still go back into economy as they will be entirely spent in month or less.
The real challenge is not to feed this people. We have enough wealth in US to keep 100 millions non-productive population alive and well comparing with most of the countries in the world. The real challenge is to make this people produce something useful.
The only reason most of the low wage jobs are still exist is that automation and robotics are more expensive that use of this man labor.
As soon as this labor became more expensive to use automation and better organization will take over.
Same as with oil get more expensive alternative energy will replace it faster as it will be more profitable to use.
Advocated of minimum wage should be careful about what they are wishing for.
I was leaving in Brooklyn 3 years. There is no minimum wages there... there is cash work which has no rules, not taxed, and not counted against any statistics.
And if NY will increase the min wage more of the min wage jobs will disappear to gray cash job market.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:All dems are proposing is to tax the rich and dump the money in bottomless extremely inefficient government controlled projects.
What I am talking about is to provide incentives for reach people and corporations to invest in this areas.
As per minimum wage increase this is exactly what it will do. Corporations and small business will hire less workers, fire some excess, and do more automation. So the result will be more unemployed people with no skills and experience to do the jobs which are available. We will be better off to spend money not on min wage increase bit on workers training and educations to make them do better paid work.

Why would you say this unless you prescribe to the Right wing talking heads who spout this crap. Just so you know it was Gov't projects that created the American Middle class. The GI bill was HUGE for those Americans returning from WWII.

As for your claim that raising the Minimum wage will cause Big Corps to hire fewer workers and fire people that has been debunked over and over since every time the Minimum wage has been raised in this country it has not caused the loss of jobs you are talking about. This is also another Conservative, Big Business LIE that they keep spouting so people like you will believe that the Progressives are wrong and the Conservatives are right. They are not right and it gets proven over and over again. Their policies are created by Big Business. The same Big Business that funds the Republican Party almost exclusively.

The Most Rigorous Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Employment

The opinion of the economics profession on the impact of the minimum wage has shifted significantly over the past fifteen years. Today, the most rigorous research shows little evidence of job reductions from a higher minimum wage. Indicative is a 2013 survey by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business in which leading economists agreed by a nearly 4 to 1 margin that the benefits of raising and indexing the minimum wage outweigh the costs.

Paul Krugman, Princeton University, February 2013: “Now, you might argue that even if the current minimum wage seems low, raising it would cost jobs. But there’s evidence on that question — lots and lots of evidence, because the minimum wage is one of the most studied issues in all of economics. U.S. experience, it turns out, offers many ‘natural experiments’ here, in which one state raises its minimum wage while others do not. And while there are dissenters, as there always are, the great preponderance of the evidence from these natural experiments points to little if any negative effect of minimum wage increases on employment.”

Summary: Examines every minimum wage increase in the United States over the past two decades—including increases that took place during protracted periods of high unemployment—and finds that raising the wage floor boosted incomes without reducing employment or slowing job creation. The research demonstrates how a body of previous research—one frequently relied on by business lobbyists who oppose minimum wage increases—inaccurately attributes declines in employment to increases in the minimum wage by failing to sufficiently account for critical economic factors. [NELP Summary]

Let's get one thing straight. Corporations aren't these benevolent entities that are looking to hire people in order to help them. They constantly look for every means to limit the amount of employees they have. This is just the way business works. However, the Repubs have made corporate welfare their big priority. They keep reducing Corp Taxes and regulations but rather than hire more workers with all those profits Big Business has not used that money to invest in America but instead to line their pockets.

The economic recovery is 2 years old. Corporate America is thriving again. But “for hire” signs at the USA’s biggest companies are surprisingly scarce.

By most measures, the Great Recession has faded like a bad dream for U.S. companies. Profits at the Standard & Poor’s 500 big companies are expected to jump 15% this year to record levels, on top of a 47% jump last year.
Shareholders are reaping the benefits, with stock prices almost doubling since the 2009 low and companies adding a 7% dividend kicker in 2010. And companies spent $299 billion buying back their own stock last year, a record 117% jump from 2009.
Yet all that financial fanfare hasn’t translated into a big windfall for people looking for work at the country’s largest companies.

I know you have your point of view, but trust me i've studied this topic intensely and I wouldn't argue unless I knew what I was talking about. I never do. The things I present are the truth.

Lets put aside the statistics which as you know well can be turn ether way depending of which data you will consider to defend your point.
What increased minimum wage gives you per month for family with one person working $10x20x7.5=$1500.
The elderly and disabled people on SSI/Food-stamps are getting $1300 per month for family of 2.
This is only good enough to survive when family have subsidized housing, utilities, and free medical coverage (like Medicade/Medicare combination).
Minimum wage is just SSI replacement for people who have no skills or desire to get better paid job.
Instead of forcing them to work society just need to pay them this $1300 per month and let them be.
The money will still go back into economy as they will be entirely spent in month or less.
The real challenge is not to feed this people. We have enough wealth in US to keep 100 millions non-productive population alive and well comparing with most of the countries in the world. The real challenge is to make this people produce something useful.
The only reason most of the low wage jobs are still exist is that automation and robotics are more expensive that use of this man labor.
As soon as this labor became more expensive to use automation and better organization will take over.
Same as with oil get more expensive alternative energy will replace it faster as it will be more profitable to use.
Advocated of minimum wage should be careful about what they are wishing for.
I was leaving in Brooklyn 3 years. There is no minimum wages there... there is cash work which has no rules, not taxed, and not counted against any statistics.
And if NY will increase the min wage more of the min wage jobs will disappear to gray cash job market.

Man i'm quoting Economist Paul Krugman and others who have credentials and a record of being right. You are just assuming you know what you're talking about based on your own opinion. Also it's not about a "minimum" wage. It's about a "LIVING" wage. There should be a base line based on real world cost of living. In the end all we need is for Congress to stop blocking Progress. Obama has put programs into motion that could help create new industry and more jobs of the future, but we also need basic jobs now in construction, repairing roads, building high speed rail, reparing bridges, Updating Airports, updating Sea ports etc. This is what Obama was trying to do with the American Jobs Act, but the Repubs just blocked it.

The White House provided a fact sheet which summarizes the key provisions of the $447 billion bill.[15] Some of its elements include:
Cutting and suspending $245 billion worth of payroll taxes for qualifying employers and 160 million medium to low income employees.
Spending $62 billion for a Pathways Back to Work Program for expanding opportunities for low-income youth and adults.
$49 billion - Extending unemployment benefits for up to 6 million long-term beneficiaries.
$8 billion - Jobs tax credit for the long term unemployed.
$5 billion - Pathways back to work fund.[15]
Spending $50 billion on both new & pre-existing infrastructure projects.
Spending $35 billion in additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters
Spending $30 billion to modernize at least 35,000 public schools and community colleges.
Spending $15 billion on a program that would hire construction workers to help rehabilitate and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes and businesses.
Creating the National Infrastructure Bank (capitalized with $10 billion), originally proposed in 2007, to help fund infrastructure via private and public capital.
Creating a nationwide, interoperable wireless network for public safety, while expanding accessibility to high-speed wireless services.
Prohibiting discrimination in hiring against persons who are unemployed because of their status as unemployed persons..
Loosening regulations on small businesses that wish to raise capital, including through crowdfunding, while retaining investor protections.
In total the legislation includes $253 billion in tax credits (56.6%) and $194 billion in spending and extension of unemployment benefits (43.4%).[15]

The Repubs blocked this even tho leading economic agencies gave it positive reviews for helping create jobs and boost the economy:

–Moody’s Analytics estimated the American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross domestic product.
–The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.
–Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and boost GDP by 1.5 percent.
–Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5 percent to GDP.

Full details here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/08/fact-sheet-american-jobs-act

Grow the private sector faster than public sector and you'll "shrink" gov't organically.
Educated people vote with intellegence while those not vote emotionally. Its why Repulicans win Missori. Dumb white people vote on legislation to cut their nose to spite their faces.

"entitlements" are not just felt at the lower end. Middle class feels enttitled to leased cars, homes they can't affort, fancy phones! High end feels entitled to have multiple dwellings, jets, luxury everything.........
Upper middle feels entitled to power and will fire those below to keep it. UKers feel entitled to a winning team.

arkrud wrote:I do not believe that academics, especially liberal once now **** about real life.
I based my opinion on what I see and experience.
Just speak with the people who are leaving on minimal wage and ask them if increase form $7.5 to $10 will help them even a bit and if they are afraid this will get them fired.
You will be surprised how scared they are of this "exiting" possibility.
How about reducing the government apparatus by making it more efficient?
How about reducing the outrageous salaries for school boards officials, various bureaucrats on all levels and simple get read of most of them?
How about pressing the College industry to stop raising the education cost for people who willing to learn?
How about restoring the technical schools system which is completely destroyed?
How about raining down on outrages cost of medical services, supplies, drugs, and procedures?
I cannot see any proposals from reps or dems to solve this issues.
They just concerned about their political battle with each other with no connection with reality.
The good thing this counrty moving along regardless of what government does or does not which is the coolest thing I found about US...

You are too caught up on the $10.10 Minimum wage but really there is a movement to make it $15, which gets back to a living wage concept. The point is that we need to raise salaries period. Corporate profits have never been higher and yet salaries have practically flatlined for decades. Creating a living wage that is indexed against inflation is the right thing to do. This way we get rid of some of the corporate welfare the taxpayer is supporting right now cuz businesses aren't paying their workers, but pocketing huge profits.

You're approach to understanding what the real problems are and how to solve them is very limited and narrow minded. So rather than accept facts based on legitimate evidence you'd rather keep your head buried in the sand and just believe what you want to believe. SMDH Do yourself a favor and actually read the Republican and Democratic platforms and see what the real differences are. They are polar opposites.

All the things you've listed are the very things that Progressives are actively working to try and change if not for being blocked by Conservatives who are only protecting big business. You seem not to understand that there is a contingent of people who are actually doing the things you say you want but you are supporting people who are actively working against those efforts. I'm not just talking about this i'm actually paying attention to what is being done right now to change these problems. You seem to be unaware of the fact that there are people doing work in the areas you list.

What I would suggest is that you do more research on just what the Progressive Movement is actively doing. You are speaking about Progressive ideas but seem not to realize it. You need to learn more about what Democrats/Progressives are trying to do.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:I do not believe that academics, especially liberal once now **** about real life.
I based my opinion on what I see and experience.
Just speak with the people who are leaving on minimal wage and ask them if increase form $7.5 to $10 will help them even a bit and if they are afraid this will get them fired.
You will be surprised how scared they are of this "exiting" possibility.
How about reducing the government apparatus by making it more efficient?
How about reducing the outrageous salaries for school boards officials, various bureaucrats on all levels and simple get read of most of them?
How about pressing the College industry to stop raising the education cost for people who willing to learn?
How about restoring the technical schools system which is completely destroyed?
How about raining down on outrages cost of medical services, supplies, drugs, and procedures?
I cannot see any proposals from reps or dems to solve this issues.
They just concerned about their political battle with each other with no connection with reality.
The good thing this counrty moving along regardless of what government does or does not which is the coolest thing I found about US...

You are too caught up on the $10.10 Minimum wage but really there is a movement to make it $15, which gets back to a living wage concept. The point is that we need to raise salaries period. Corporate profits have never been higher and yet salaries have practically flatlined for decades. Creating a living wage that is indexed against inflation is the right thing to do. This way we get rid of some of the corporate welfare the taxpayer is supporting right now cuz businesses aren't paying their workers, but pocketing huge profits.

You're approach to understanding what the real problems are and how to solve them is very limited and narrow minded. So rather than accept facts based on legitimate evidence you'd rather keep your head buried in the sand and just believe what you want to believe. SMDH Do yourself a favor and actually read the Republican and Democratic platforms and see what the real differences are. They are polar opposites.

All the things you've listed are the very things that Progressives are actively working to try and change if not for being blocked by Conservatives who are only protecting big business. You seem not to understand that there is a contingent of people who are actually doing the things you say you want but you are supporting people who are actively working against those efforts. I'm not just talking about this i'm actually paying attention to what is being done right now to change these problems. You seem to be unaware of the fact that there are people doing work in the areas you list.

What I would suggest is that you do more research on just what the Progressive Movement is actively doing. You are speaking about Progressive ideas but seem not to realize it. You need to learn more about what Democrats/Progressives are trying to do.

Not to deter from the points you're making (which are good ones) but the reality is that the minimum wage would be $22/hr if wages kept up with productivity since the 70s. That may sound far fetch'd considering our current circumstances but take a look at some of the other industrialized nations in the world. Australia's minimum wage, for instance, is $17/hr and contrary to conservative nonsense, the sky isn't falling down. Their unemployment rate is also lower than our own at 5.6%, so there goes the argument of "jobs being lost from a raise of the minimum wage".

More important than that is the fact that if you raise the minimum wage, you effectively increase the average cost of labor, which benefits all employees especially those in the middle class. So unless you're in the 1%, this is a fight that we ALL have an interest in.

A study released this week found that if the nation's largest low-wage employer, Walmart, were to pay its 1.4 million U.S. workers a living wage of at least $12 per hour and pass every single penny of the costs onto consumers, the average Walmart customer would pay just 46 cents more per shopping trip, or around $12 extra dollars each year.

US Corps and the rich actually hurt the economy because they horde money. When these companies hold on to large cash reserves that money is locked up like water in the polar icecaps. There's a lot of money that could be in the economy if these people participated but they only find ways to do more with fewer employees and increase their profits for shareholders or personal gain. People that complain about Postal Workers or Gov't jobs don't realize that that money is recirculated into the economy which is good for everyone. What we want is more money moving around in the economy. That's why It's stupid to hate on Welfare, Food Stamps or Medicare etc. That money is moving in the economy. Stop Corporate welfare and make them pay their fair share of taxes. Use that money to rebuild the roads, bridges, schools, retrain workers for new tech industry etc.

meloshouldgo wrote:Since this thread insists on discussing politics, can we at least course correct and discuss the politics around the Malaysian flight being shot down? Come on peeps dive in - this is a hot tantalizing political debate.
I can get us started:

Even though I don't rule out that the rebels are behind the crime since all "evidence" had been collected by the Ukrainan government and presented within "a few hours after the incident", but the events leading to the incident and what happened immediately after can't make one wonder if this whole incident was planned and orchestrated.

1. Kiev deployed surface to air missile system near to the city of Dotnsek. What are these missiles for when there's rebels had no aircraft?
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogsp...e-systems.html

2. "Recordings of rebels telephone calls" appeared on social media hours after the plane was struck. In all military operations, these recordings would be sent to the HQ for investigation but this didn't happen. In
all likelihood, these recordings appeared to have been pre-recorded as part of the orchestrated operation.

3. Why did MH17 deviated from the usual flight path that was south of East Ukraine?

4. Why has the Ukrainian Gov't confiscated the only credible source of information? - The black box? for over 4 days?

I am a flaming liberal so don't get me wrong, but I think this was serious rush to judgment by the US Govt. It's always easy to blame the common enemy, sometimes too easy.

WARNING GRAPHIC

1.) Why would it be unusual for a country to secure its (new) border with surface to air-to-missiles, especially in light of Putin's aggressive nature?

2.) Countries continually spy on each other all the time. Why would it be unusual to assume that they intercepted the recordings in real time, especially in the digital age where things happen at light speed?

3.) The plane allegedly deviated because of bad weather. That happens all the time. Supposedly the pilots assumed that by flying at 36,000 feet instead of 34,000 feet that they'd be safe. They were wrong...and stupid.

4.) Was it the Ukrainians that confiscated the black box or the Russians? As recently as Sunday, that was what certain news outlets were running with. That would make sense since the incident happened in rebel territory.

Nothing is 100% sure and I definitely don't trust our sources or security agencies but this incident seems pretty cut and dry so far.

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:I do not believe that academics, especially liberal once now **** about real life.
I based my opinion on what I see and experience.
Just speak with the people who are leaving on minimal wage and ask them if increase form $7.5 to $10 will help them even a bit and if they are afraid this will get them fired.
You will be surprised how scared they are of this "exiting" possibility.
How about reducing the government apparatus by making it more efficient?
How about reducing the outrageous salaries for school boards officials, various bureaucrats on all levels and simple get read of most of them?
How about pressing the College industry to stop raising the education cost for people who willing to learn?
How about restoring the technical schools system which is completely destroyed?
How about raining down on outrages cost of medical services, supplies, drugs, and procedures?
I cannot see any proposals from reps or dems to solve this issues.
They just concerned about their political battle with each other with no connection with reality.
The good thing this counrty moving along regardless of what government does or does not which is the coolest thing I found about US...

You are too caught up on the $10.10 Minimum wage but really there is a movement to make it $15, which gets back to a living wage concept. The point is that we need to raise salaries period. Corporate profits have never been higher and yet salaries have practically flatlined for decades. Creating a living wage that is indexed against inflation is the right thing to do. This way we get rid of some of the corporate welfare the taxpayer is supporting right now cuz businesses aren't paying their workers, but pocketing huge profits.

You're approach to understanding what the real problems are and how to solve them is very limited and narrow minded. So rather than accept facts based on legitimate evidence you'd rather keep your head buried in the sand and just believe what you want to believe. SMDH Do yourself a favor and actually read the Republican and Democratic platforms and see what the real differences are. They are polar opposites.

All the things you've listed are the very things that Progressives are actively working to try and change if not for being blocked by Conservatives who are only protecting big business. You seem not to understand that there is a contingent of people who are actually doing the things you say you want but you are supporting people who are actively working against those efforts. I'm not just talking about this i'm actually paying attention to what is being done right now to change these problems. You seem to be unaware of the fact that there are people doing work in the areas you list.

What I would suggest is that you do more research on just what the Progressive Movement is actively doing. You are speaking about Progressive ideas but seem not to realize it. You need to learn more about what Democrats/Progressives are trying to do.

Not to deter from the points you're making (which are good ones) but the reality is that the minimum wage would be $22/hr if wages kept up with productivity since the 70s. That may sound far fetch'd considering our current circumstances but take a look at some of the other industrialized nations in the world. Australia's minimum wage, for instance, is $17/hr and contrary to conservative nonsense, the sky isn't falling down. Their unemployment rate is also lower than our own at 5.6%, so there goes the argument of "jobs being lost from a raise of the minimum wage".

More important than that is the fact that if you raise the minimum wage, you effectively increase the average cost of labor, which benefits all employees especially those in the middle class. So unless you're in the 1%, this is a fight that we ALL have an interest in.

What about the cost of living in Australia??? Does that only affect the top 1%???
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Australiahttp://

Also of note:

The Australian Bureau of Statistics Unemployment estimates are obtained by mostly telephone interviews. Households selected for the ABS Survey are interviewed each month for eight months, with one-eighth of the sample being replaced each month. The first interview is conducted face-to-face. Subsequent interviews are then conducted by telephone.

The ABS classifies a person as unemployed if, when surveyed, they have been actively looking for work in the four weeks up to the end of the reference week and if they were available for work in the reference week.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics Unemployment estimates are also seasonally adjusted.

and

National minimum wages for apprentices, juniors & trainees

Special national minimum wages have also been set for trainees, apprentices and juniors who are not covered by any other award or agreement. These apply from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2012.
For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.
For apprentices, the rates are:
Year 1 of apprenticeship $10.22
Year 2 of apprenticeship $12.08
Year 3 of apprenticeship $14.87
Year 4 of apprenticeship $17.65.
What about other groups we might expect would be ruined by high minimum wages - those with disabilities that affect their job performance? They're exempt too. If you've a disability and you're assessed as being 70% as productive as other employees, you get 70% of the minimum wage. And if you work in a sheltered workshop, there's another system that applies other lower minimum wages.

Lol, but the dismissal of science and Gasp! Academia, are wholly the tools of one party...the one I don't tow the line for.

arkrud wrote:Some fresh data on health insurance premiums increase if subsidies will be removed as per court ruling
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/health-exchange/2014/07/22/study-average-premium-hike-is-76-in-states-without-federal-subsidies/
Hopefully the subsidies will stay... but how it is not new entitlement?
Why just not pay whatever med expenses needed without any medical insurance fiction?

By the way this Republican attempt to kill Obamacare probably won't work. Another court upheld the Subsidies. The next court in the circuit will probably settle the matter by upholding the law as well. The Republican Judges who ruled against it are just partisan hacks. This is just more support for what i've been saying about Repubs being against the American people's best interests. How would it help to kill Obamacare and have millions lose their Insurance?

EnySpree wrote:Anybody care that this incident could cause a global war?

I have been trying to point out the politics of the situation. If not a global war it can at least be the trigger for the next market crash. But there is a real possibility that the middle east goes up in flames and drags the rest of the world into a war.

Also in my earlier pay I said "black box". Should have said tapes from Untarnished air traffic control as explained in the section below.

Earlier, when we commented in the abnormality in the flight path of flight MH-17 we said that "perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"

The simple answer would have come if Ukraine had merely released the Air Traffic Control recording from the tower and flight MH 17, something Malaysia did in the aftermath of the disappearance of flight MH 370, which at last check has still not been uncovered.

It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming because as theBBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency."