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The Knicks will probably have a very young rotation.
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Ira
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7/10/2010  6:28 AM
No one (not even Donnie) knows what other moves he may make before the season. And even if there aren't any other moves, there are possible differences of opinion as to who will be in the rotation and who won't. But, I think, one strong possibility is a starting lineup of Amare,Randolph, Gallo, Chandler and Felton with Azubuike, Walker, Turiaf, and Douglas coming off the bench regularly. The ages of the five starters are 27, 20, 21, 23, and 26. The ages of the rotation players are 26, 22, 27 and 24. This is a very young team with an average age of 24.33.
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7/10/2010  6:29 AM
That's why I think it's a good idea to add some vets for leadership.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=35789

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7/10/2010  6:32 AM
I thought that was what those who were against Donnies "all-in-2010-fa" plan wanted? A young team "built through the draft".

Well, this is about as close as it gets, right?

Chandler, Gallo, Douglas = our own.
Randolph = always coveted by the 'build through the draft' folks.
Azubukie = another one..
Felton = somewhat proven youngster
Amare = superstar in his prime.

Seems like Donnie pulled off just about what everyone wanted. For the 'build the right way through the draft' guys - well, he's kind of done that, just in a more round about way.

I mean, you can't hate what we have. Sure we missed the second big fish but you can't hate what we have no matter who you are or what "your" plan was.

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7/10/2010  6:53 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:That's why I think it's a good idea to add some vets for leadership.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=35789

I'd like to see Kurt Thomas finish his career here. He wasn't drafted by us, but he came into his own here and always played hard and smart. He would be a good example to young players and he has already played for D'Antoni.

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7/10/2010  10:04 AM
Cosmic wrote:I thought that was what those who were against Donnies "all-in-2010-fa" plan wanted? A young team "built through the draft".

Well, this is about as close as it gets, right?

Chandler, Gallo, Douglas = our own.
Randolph = always coveted by the 'build through the draft' folks.
Azubukie = another one..
Felton = somewhat proven youngster
Amare = superstar in his prime.

Seems like Donnie pulled off just about what everyone wanted. For the 'build the right way through the draft' guys - well, he's kind of done that, just in a more round about way.

I mean, you can't hate what we have. Sure we missed the second big fish but you can't hate what we have no matter who you are or what "your" plan was.

Yup- We really don't have an "over the hill" player on the team at this point, although Curry seems like a hill.

We have a group of players in their prime, or pretty close to it.

I said this on another post- just imagine that we drafted all these guys and think of the team in that way.

We have one of the younger and more athletic teams that the Knicks have had in years- no over priced vets on their last legs- an overwhelming number of our guys are between 21-26.

A pretty good group to go to war with.

I just hope the chemistry is there. May not happen at first, but I think we have enough talent on the roster to find a pretty good rotation about a third of the way into the season.

Should be fun.

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7/10/2010  10:57 AM
I also like the hungry, athletic young player, and that is what we have.

Ira wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:That's why I think it's a good idea to add some vets for leadership.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=35789

I'd like to see Kurt Thomas finish his career here. He wasn't drafted by us, but he came into his own here and always played hard and smart. He would be a good example to young players and he has already played for D'Antoni.


Yep. Kurt Thomas would be a good, one year pick-up at the Vet min. He will be 38 in Oct. Would be good bench player for 10 to 15min/game. He also could help with the development of AR.
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7/10/2010  11:00 AM
Cosmic wrote:I thought that was what those who were against Donnies "all-in-2010-fa" plan wanted? A young team "built through the draft".

Well, this is about as close as it gets, right?

Chandler, Gallo, Douglas = our own.
Randolph = always coveted by the 'build through the draft' folks.
Azubukie = another one..
Felton = somewhat proven youngster
Amare = superstar in his prime.

Seems like Donnie pulled off just about what everyone wanted. For the 'build the right way through the draft' guys - well, he's kind of done that, just in a more round about way.

I mean, you can't hate what we have. Sure we missed the second big fish but you can't hate what we have no matter who you are or what "your" plan was.

pretty much what I wanted.. can't wait for season to start...

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7/10/2010  11:02 AM
I said months ago that Walsh can undo the Hill trade by using cap with trade to get young assets in return. IM not saying this is a slam dunk but the youthier look to the knicks with what the coach wants will yield better results, create value, and a competitive product on the floor.

The play for Paul and Melo is on, but the reality is we have to keep moving forward.

A championship team we are not, but we are getting better the right way.

we have cap and there are some good players we can get on the cheap.

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7/10/2010  11:09 AM
Cosmic wrote:I thought that was what those who were against Donnies "all-in-2010-fa" plan wanted? A young team "built through the draft".

Well, this is about as close as it gets, right?

Chandler, Gallo, Douglas = our own.
Randolph = always coveted by the 'build through the draft' folks.
Azubukie = another one..
Felton = somewhat proven youngster
Amare = superstar in his prime.

Seems like Donnie pulled off just about what everyone wanted. For the 'build the right way through the draft' guys - well, he's kind of done that, just in a more round about way.

I mean, you can't hate what we have. Sure we missed the second big fish but you can't hate what we have no matter who you are or what "your" plan was.

I think having a vet pro PG and a superstar frontcourt All star will go a long way in terms of leadership. Also if you noticed both Gallo and AR play with chips on their shoulders--have that extra edge that makes a player great. So the whole frontline will be filled with intense talented diverse players and a pro vet PG--and Chandler has another year of seasoning and health. Look at the Thunder--they were even younger than this team and had a great year. They still have not signed any big time older vet and to be honest there is no need for them to do that. If you have good guys and the coach is tolerant about some mistakes as long as the guys are playing hard---then it should be a good situation. If MDA is out scowling and throwing people in the doghouse--I would not hesitate to change direction on the coach. He has to be flexible and tolerant--it's key.

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7/10/2010  11:11 AM
Probably? Do we have a 30 yo player?
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7/10/2010  11:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2010  11:14 AM
Briggs - if you have good guys and the coach is tolerant about some mistakes as long as the guys are playing hard---then it should be a good situation. If MDA is out scowling and throwing people in the doghouse--I would not hesitate to change direction on the coach. He has to be flexible and tolerant--it's key.

Good point about the coach. D'Antoni has to change his style a bit. Also, a lot of this falls on the ass't coaches who have to work with the young players on a daily basis and develop them.
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7/10/2010  11:14 AM
I'm excited to have a young rotation. It will be fun to watch the development of AR and Gallo - both 21, right? Wilson is still only 22/23?

This should be a lot of fun.

I'd actually much rather have a young group of guys learn how to win 60 games together than buy a championship. I like the idea of working for it.


The one guy I would try to sign right now is Raja Bell. He would be a good leadership type figure for the young guys. Maybe also Kurt Thomas.

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7/10/2010  11:18 AM
Briggy, I agree. This is a team that MDA should like and should have buy into.

He will have a lot of pressure to make the playoffs. THis has got to be a situatin where the sum is great than the individual pieces.

But I really think we should sign Delonte for one purpose and one purpose only. Phuch with Lebrons head.

we need a lebron killer. In the ABA there was a dude called "Wendall Ladner" who used to beat up Dr. J and the nets eventually traded and got him cuz he was a problem. We need a good, a guy who can just make Lebron miserable.

Back in the day, the knicks might not get by the bulls but it was a small consolation prize when we knocked out Miami.

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7/10/2010  11:21 AM
crzymdups wrote:The one guy I would try to sign right now is Raja Bell. He would be a good leadership type figure for the young guys.

So far,we haven't gone after Raja. Don't know why as he is one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Raja-Bell-wants-Dallas-Orlando-or-Miami;_ylt=AjgZbXp.U5YSi0nXU5d4ioOIPKB4?urn=nba,254209

Wed Jul 07 05:29am PDT

Raja Bell wants Dallas, Orlando or Miami
By Mark J. Miller

Free-agent shooting guard Raja Bell(notes) is waiting for LeBron James(notes), Chris Bosh(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes) to announce what they're going to do next season just like everybody else in the basketball world. In the meantime, Bell has gotten calls from plenty of teams, according to ESPN.

The nine-year NBA vet tells the site that he's particularly interested in three teams that have made contact: the Dallas Mavericks, Orlando Magic and Miami Heat. The Virgin Islands native has family in Florida and went to Florida International University.

Bell, 33, played in five games with the Charlotte Bobcats and one game with the Golden State Warriors, and missed the rest of the season due to surgery on his left wrist. He had an average of 11.8 points, 3.8 rebounds and 2.2 assists per game.

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7/10/2010  4:54 PM
It could be that we are talking to Raja and/or Kurt. Either would make a good addition in terms of providing veteran leadership and both played for D'Antoni in Phoenix. I'd prefer Kurt because we could use his toughness inside. Also, I'd like to see Kurt Thomas retire as a Knick.
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7/10/2010  4:56 PM
TheSage wrote:Probably? Do we have a 30 yo player?

Nope...

...you can't trust those guys anyway.

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7/11/2010  4:52 PM
Markji wrote:
crzymdups wrote:The one guy I would try to sign right now is Raja Bell. He would be a good leadership type figure for the young guys.

So far,we haven't gone after Raja. Don't know why as he is one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Raja-Bell-wants-Dallas-Orlando-or-Miami;_ylt=AjgZbXp.U5YSi0nXU5d4ioOIPKB4?urn=nba,254209

Wed Jul 07 05:29am PDT

Raja Bell wants Dallas, Orlando or Miami
By Mark J. Miller

Free-agent shooting guard Raja Bell(notes) is waiting for LeBron James(notes), Chris Bosh(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes) to announce what they're going to do next season just like everybody else in the basketball world. In the meantime, Bell has gotten calls from plenty of teams, according to ESPN.

The nine-year NBA vet tells the site that he's particularly interested in three teams that have made contact: the Dallas Mavericks, Orlando Magic and Miami Heat. The Virgin Islands native has family in Florida and went to Florida International University.

Bell, 33, played in five games with the Charlotte Bobcats and one game with the Golden State Warriors, and missed the rest of the season due to surgery on his left wrist. He had an average of 11.8 points, 3.8 rebounds and 2.2 assists per game.

Raja would've been a perfect addition... shame if he signs with Miami.

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7/11/2010  5:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2010  5:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:I thought that was what those who were against Donnies "all-in-2010-fa" plan wanted? A young team "built through the draft".

Well, this is about as close as it gets, right?

Chandler, Gallo, Douglas = our own.
Randolph = always coveted by the 'build through the draft' folks.
Azubukie = another one..
Felton = somewhat proven youngster
Amare = superstar in his prime.

Seems like Donnie pulled off just about what everyone wanted. For the 'build the right way through the draft' guys - well, he's kind of done that, just in a more round about way.

I mean, you can't hate what we have. Sure we missed the second big fish but you can't hate what we have no matter who you are or what "your" plan was.

I think having a vet pro PG and a superstar frontcourt All star will go a long way in terms of leadership. Also if you noticed both Gallo and AR play with chips on their shoulders--have that extra edge that makes a player great. So the whole frontline will be filled with intense talented diverse players and a pro vet PG--and Chandler has another year of seasoning and health. Look at the Thunder--they were even younger than this team and had a great year. They still have not signed any big time older vet and to be honest there is no need for them to do that. If you have good guys and the coach is tolerant about some mistakes as long as the guys are playing hard---then it should be a good situation. If MDA is out scowling and throwing people in the doghouse--I would not hesitate to change direction on the coach. He has to be flexible and tolerant--it's key.

I am so happy that Gallo and AR will have Amar'e to show them toughness in the paint. If ther's one thing he does, it's throw down! Let's hope he realizes he's in New York and doesn't bring any whiney BS. He has to be the MAN, and lead the way.

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7/11/2010  5:34 PM
Nalod wrote:Briggy, I agree. This is a team that MDA should like and should have buy into.

He will have a lot of pressure to make the playoffs. THis has got to be a situatin where the sum is great than the individual pieces.

But I really think we should sign Delonte for one purpose and one purpose only. Phuch with Lebrons head.

we need a lebron killer. In the ABA there was a dude called "Wendall Ladner" who used to beat up Dr. J and the nets eventually traded and got him cuz he was a problem. We need a good, a guy who can just make Lebron miserable.

Back in the day, the knicks might not get by the bulls but it was a small consolation prize when we knocked out Miami.

As much as I can stand LeBron, I have to say thumbs down on Delonte. Not because it's not a great idea, but because we don't need our guys looking over their shoulder, worrying where Delonte is going after the game.

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The Knicks will probably have a very young rotation.

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