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BigC
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7/23/2006  7:00 PM
As much as I think Curry and Frye might have a good year, we are going to killed on the defensive end and in rebounding because of these two. Frye and Curry have to step it up big time in the shotblocking area and rebounding area.
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7/23/2006  7:02 PM
It's going to be bad. Especially because the frontcourt won't be playing defense either. That is an absolute recipe for disaster. Lets hope and pray they develop.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-24-2006 12:16 AM]
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7/24/2006  12:04 AM
Both are talented big men who can easily develop into satisfactory defenders. They just need to be given time. It wouldn't hurt to somehow aquire a good post defender/shot blocker to come off the bench, however.
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7/24/2006  4:48 AM
Posted by Knixkik:

Both are talented big men who can easily develop into satisfactory defenders. They just need to be given time. It wouldn't hurt to somehow aquire a good post defender/shot blocker to come off the bench, however.

I think Frye can become the shot blocker everybody wants. Rebounding is not and was not a weakness on this team number one, people really need to stop harping on that. Number two, curry usually plays his man very well during last season defensively, so don't mae it seem like he played zero D.... curry needs to get better in help D and Frye is still growing as a player so why even harp on him in his first off-season. Lastly, most of any problems concerning curry has to do with his weight so it is pointless to do this in a million different question. THere is only on question with curry, is he in good shape. All of his stats follow that.
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7/24/2006  6:36 AM
I agree with the prior responses. Curry and Frye can develop into competent defensive players. Neither is ever going to be Ben Wallace, but I am confident that they can guard their own man and provide SOME help defense and shot-blocking.
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7/24/2006  6:58 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

It's going to be bad. Especially because the frontcourt won't be playing defense either. That is an absolute recipe for disaster. Lets hope and pray they develop.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-24-2006 12:16 AM]

I share your concerns. I just can't sip the kool aid and assume they will do it, so far Curry has no history of hard work to improve his game. Frye has a better chance, but he's starting from playing very poor defense last year. I think defense is going to be a big issue until we get an actual shot blocker.
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7/24/2006  7:12 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

It's going to be bad. Especially because the frontcourt won't be playing defense either. That is an absolute recipe for disaster. Lets hope and pray they develop.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-24-2006 12:16 AM]

I share your concerns. I just can't sip the kool aid and assume they will do it, so far Curry has no history of hard work to improve his game. Frye has a better chance, but he's starting from playing very poor defense last year. I think defense is going to be a big issue until we get an actual shot blocker.


This is why I think a trade for Kenyon Martin makes sense... Yeah he has a monster contract, and there are questions about his knee. But I think this is a case where he'd help us more, than hurt us! High Energy, can play D... and is an intimidator @ PF. Whatever he gives on Offense is a plus, because much of his game is based on Athleticism... all and all, I'm pro making a trade w/ Denver for him for Francis. (If they'd take him!)
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7/24/2006  7:29 AM
I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.
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7/24/2006  7:55 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.

I'd wager that 2.81 difference in rebounding is a result of the Ime Udoka's of the world playing most of the 4th quarter against our 40 million dollar bench 80% of the season
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Posted by Bonn1997:

I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.

We actually had something different last year, than in past years... better rebounding from our guards and SFs. Frye and Curry DID get killed on the boards. However, the rest of our team rebounded pretty well, especially guys like JB, David Lee, Quentin Richardson, etc...

Still, rebounding is a concern, because when Curry and Frye are on the floor together, we do get outrebounded in the frontcourt.
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7/24/2006  11:33 AM
its more than just a concern. It will lead to Frye or Curry eventually heading to the bench which won't be at all bad because you have Lee and possibily Kmart to start at PF
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7/24/2006  1:45 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.

I'd wager that 2.81 difference in rebounding is a result of the Ime Udoka's of the world playing most of the 4th quarter against our 40 million dollar bench 80% of the season


Not really- I think the real reason was other teams just shot so well against us that there were fewer opportunities for them to grab an offensive board-

Our team rebounding was one of the few things we did well last year. That might be the one thing Larry did get through to this squad.

The problem with Curry Frye is they are weak rebounders and defenders and they are going to be on the floor a lot more so unless they improve, they will get exposed.
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.

I'd wager that 2.81 difference in rebounding is a result of the Ime Udoka's of the world playing most of the 4th quarter against our 40 million dollar bench 80% of the season

Actually, in early January when the season was still technically alive, the Knicks were leading the league in rebounding.
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7/24/2006  1:54 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.

I'd wager that 2.81 difference in rebounding is a result of the Ime Udoka's of the world playing most of the 4th quarter against our 40 million dollar bench 80% of the season

Actually, in early January when the season was still technically alive, the Knicks were leading the league in rebounding.


problably because Davis was playing over Frye & Curry who was always in foul trouble
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7/24/2006  3:37 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I remember people saying we'd kill kill in rebounding last year and we actually killed opponents in rebounding. Rebounding is one of the VERY few areas I'm not concerned about. However, this team does have zero good defensive PF/Cs, which is a HUGE problem.

I'd wager that 2.81 difference in rebounding is a result of the Ime Udoka's of the world playing most of the 4th quarter against our 40 million dollar bench 80% of the season

Actually, in early January when the season was still technically alive, the Knicks were leading the league in rebounding.

None of these things will be believed until the season starts. Until then, even though it happened last season, it will be called "KOolaid"..
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7/24/2006  3:43 PM
It had nothing to do with Davis playing over Frye. Knicks rebounding % was better when Frye was on the floor than when he was off. (Pts allowed on D was better too.) http://www.82games.com/0506/05NYK18D.HTMhttp://
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7/24/2006  3:46 PM
Posted by sbb30:

It had nothing to do with Davis playing over Frye. Knicks rebounding % was better when Frye was on the floor than when he was off. (Pts allowed on D was better too.) http://www.82games.com/0506/05NYK18D.HTMhttp://

I think that had alot to do with the fact that Frye played alot with Butler and Lee who were the Knicks best two rebounders and defensive players last year.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-24-2006 3:47 PM]
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7/24/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by sbb30:

It had nothing to do with Davis playing over Frye. Knicks rebounding % was better when Frye was on the floor than when he was off. (Pts allowed on D was better too.) http://www.82games.com/0506/05NYK18D.HTMhttp://

Dude, it will have had nothing to do with frye or Curry............. We need Reggie Evans or Kmart to save the day!!!!!!!!!
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7/24/2006  5:39 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by sbb30:

It had nothing to do with Davis playing over Frye. Knicks rebounding % was better when Frye was on the floor than when he was off. (Pts allowed on D was better too.) http://www.82games.com/0506/05NYK18D.HTMhttp://

Dude, it will have had nothing to do with frye or Curry............. We need Reggie Evans or Kmart to save the day!!!!!!!!!
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7/25/2006  1:51 AM
I think Curry and Frye together up front may be the deciding factor that wins Lee the SF starting spot. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with Lee guarding alot of 3's out there, especially around the perimeter, but he will definately make up for some of the slack rebounding.
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