i am especially suspicious of formulae that have more than 3 or perhaps 4 variables. you have to be able to see the game in order to then derive formualae that back up what you see. "intuition" or an "eye for the game" trumps stats. you don't have to be einstein but then again there is only so much the mind can process while viewing a game. that's why studying film is so helpful for players. it helps them process strengths and weaknesses.

formulae are meant to represent what the viewer sees and detects as a pattern, presumably as a pattern for success. the reason some statisticians are popular is because some they have detected what they believe is a pattern for success and shared it. some of them have landed salaries with nba teams based on this assumption.

not everybody, it seems, is wired to view the game that way.

Hersports85 wrote:No ones all geeked up over a scoring title... but what I said stands. This year team has accomplished a number of things that has taken us over 20 years to achieve and some of you guys still complaining because oh ... it's not a championship. So question do you guys give credit to your son/daughters for making the honor roll or getting good grades despite not being valedictorian?

It's okay to give props and congratulate people on things that they accomplish, and that's why I say this are some real hating comments.

And honestly, No matter how good we do in the post season, some of you will still have an issue... but whatever. AGAIN Congrats to The Knicks and our "FANS" on a good regular season. Now let's get ready to make a playoff run.

THANK YOU !

Ive said since this guy has been a Knick that he needs to win this fan over because Ive never been a believer that his game is one that you can build a contender around. Well lets be honest. The Knicks are a contender right now. This is Melo's time. He's in the zone. Lets hope for Knick fans this is what we have and it continues through June.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yet he said nothing other than that some of the advanced stats don't match his eyeball test, which is hardly a brilliant insight.
I've given Melo a lot of credit for being a very good scoring specialist this year. I'm not sure what you or Fish are disagreeing with.

For exactly that statement. Stop being a GM, start being a fan.

Watch the games not the numbers.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yet he said nothing other than that some of the advanced stats don't match his eyeball test, which is hardly a brilliant insight.
I've given Melo a lot of credit for being a very good scoring specialist this year. I'm not sure what you or Fish are disagreeing with.

For exactly that statement. Stop being a GM, start being a fan.

Watch the games not the numbers.

Stop being a bossy critic of your fellow Knick fans - start being a real fan, Chuck.

But I'm a BAUS!!!

Ricky Chuck Rozay Norray approves....BAWSE!

Bonn1997 wrote:Yet he said nothing other than that some of the advanced stats don't match his eyeball test, which is hardly a brilliant insight.
I've given Melo a lot of credit for being a very good scoring specialist this year. I'm not sure what you or Fish are disagreeing with.

I mean lets just call it like we see it no? Ive not been impressed by much he has done as Knick (considering the cost) but this has been a great year. Carousel of injuries, guys coming and going, tons of lineup changes... but the one consistent thing this year has been Melo. Dude wins the scoring title, all star and leads a Knick team to the 2nd seed where the next best players are Felton, JR, Chandler and a bunch of guys in their 40s.

Now if Melo goes cold, shoots 40%, takes 30 shots a game and Knicks lose to the Celtics in 6 run him out of town.

Does anyone who's been watching think thats happening?

This thing has yet to play out, and Melo has yet to earn his NY stripes.. thats gonna happen in the playoffs (or not). All I know the guy has delivered this season, Knicks are #2 seed and your talking about advanced stats that paint him as a scoring specialist? cmon man...

I just want the Knicks to compete for a title. Melo has put them in position to do that. Some scoring specialist!

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yet he said nothing other than that some of the advanced stats don't match his eyeball test, which is hardly a brilliant insight.
I've given Melo a lot of credit for being a very good scoring specialist this year. I'm not sure what you or Fish are disagreeing with.

A very good scoring specialist? That was Eddie House. True or false? Right now Melo is a top 5 player.

I mean lets just call it like we see it no? Ive not been impressed by much he has done as Knick (considering the cost) but this has been a great year. Carousel of injuries, guys coming and going, tons of lineup changes... but the one consistent thing this year has been Melo. Dude wins the scoring title, all star and leads a Knick team to the 2nd seed where the next best players are Felton, JR, Chandler and a bunch of guys in their 40s.

Now if Melo goes cold, shoots 40%, takes 30 shots a game and Knicks lose to the Celtics in 6 run him out of town.

Does anyone who's been watching think thats happening?

This thing has yet to play out, and Melo has yet to earn his NY stripes.. thats gonna happen in the playoffs (or not). All I know the guy has delivered this season, Knicks are #2 seed and your talking about advanced stats that paint him as a scoring specialist? cmon man...

I just want the Knicks to compete for a title. Melo has put them in position to do that. Some scoring specialist!

Same thing happened to Patrick when he was playing...He wasn't David Robinson, he wasn't Olajuwon, he wasn't Shaq, etc...

This I know. He was a DAMN GOOD PLAYER, maybe even great! Funny, how we rain accolades on Ewing after the fact, but when he was here, we took him for granted, and backhand complimented all those years.

Just like Melo. If there was no Lebron or Durant, he'd be the consensus best Small Forward, as well as, top 3 player in the league.

Such as the way in the Big Apple. There was no ELITE In Eli Manning until his 2 chips. Before, he was just the slightly goofy brother of Peyton.

All Melo needs to do is 1 chip in NY, and his critics will forever be silenced. 1 Championship, and he would have eclipsed Patrick Ewing in stature, and be in the same breadth revered as Clyde, Debusschere, Bradley, Monroe, and Reed.

For now, he'll have to settle for Bernard King 2.0.

People forget that Patrick wanted out at the end of his run here because the comlete fan base didn't give him enough credit while he was here. Remember the contingent of people that wanted him stapled to the bench when Camby got traded here? That was even before the playoff run. There's been some revisionist history surrounding Patrick - but that's the way it goes. If Melo doesn't win a chip I have a feeling his career arc will be similar, especially after he retires.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:Typical BS from the anit-Melo crowd. Instead of giving this man his due, you guys babble on about how the scoring title doean't mean anything anymore, or that Durant gvae up weeks ago. Durant didn't give up, Melo just went on an extraordinary run (avering 40pts over 6 games) and 35 for the month. Is it really that hard to give the man credit. Sheshhh!!!!

I was just about to hammer out a response but thank you for taking care of that for me

"but he's inefficient and the stats indicate that he isn't very good and blah blah blah!"

whatever - I don't understand the point of posting here if you can't even get excited about the biggest news this team has had in a very, very long time. People did backflips here when David Lee made the All Star Game yet now a scoring title is ultimately a notch above meaningless. Whatever

Then let me explain:

You trying to dictate what people need to be excited about is what turns people off. And if this was a thread celebrating the division title you wouldn't see these posts but I don't see any threads celebrating the division title. We do have 100s of threads celebrating MElo and zero threads celebrating the Knicks. There was a time when people in this board understood the difference.

loweyecue wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:Typical BS from the anit-Melo crowd. Instead of giving this man his due, you guys babble on about how the scoring title doean't mean anything anymore, or that Durant gvae up weeks ago. Durant didn't give up, Melo just went on an extraordinary run (avering 40pts over 6 games) and 35 for the month. Is it really that hard to give the man credit. Sheshhh!!!!

I was just about to hammer out a response but thank you for taking care of that for me

"but he's inefficient and the stats indicate that he isn't very good and blah blah blah!"

whatever - I don't understand the point of posting here if you can't even get excited about the biggest news this team has had in a very, very long time. People did backflips here when David Lee made the All Star Game yet now a scoring title is ultimately a notch above meaningless. Whatever

Then let me explain:

You trying to dictate what people need to be excited about is what turns people off. And if this was a thread celebrating the division title you wouldn't see these posts but I don't see any threads celebrating the division title. We do have 100s of threads celebrating MElo and zero threads celebrating the Knicks. There was a time when people in this board understood the difference.