Kemet wrote:

Kemet wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Kemet wrote:
Mills refuse to draft Ron Artest for a guy name Weiss ..

This was not Mills that did the Weis pick...it was Grunfeld's asst GM that screwed us on the way out....look it up

Mills was the vice president of operation .. Steve originally joined the Knicks as executive vice president of franchise operations in September 1999 and became president of sports teams operations for Madison Square Garden in 2001.

But Mills did not make the call on the pick...that was Grunfeld's guy....did he have the veto power..dunno....was he even in on the basketball side....to be honest I do not remeber hearing his name until after Layden was going out the door and he brought in Isiah.

Gunfield had intention on selecting St. Johns Ron Artest in the upcoming draft .. to put with Sprewell and resign Houston to a reasonable contract.

Dont it bother you that the Bulls selected Ron Artest with the next pick, like Mavs selected DSJ with next pick, or when the Pacers selected Lance Stephenson with the next pick, or when GS selected Curry with the pick before us and already had 8 guards with guranteed contract on their roster.

Hell yeah it does....I think you slect Ronnie and maybe that creates a butterfly effect that we may be in a completely different position....I loved him and SJU...him, Eric Barkley, Bootsie Thorthon....but I was just pointing out that although Mills was there with the org...I am not sure he was plugged in the chain of command to weigh in on that pick...not saying he could not of....but that was all Ernie's guy...that in my opinion screwed the franchise on behalf of Ernie...

ekstarks94 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

Kemet wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Kemet wrote:
Mills refuse to draft Ron Artest for a guy name Weiss ..

This was not Mills that did the Weis pick...it was Grunfeld's asst GM that screwed us on the way out....look it up

Mills was the vice president of operation .. Steve originally joined the Knicks as executive vice president of franchise operations in September 1999 and became president of sports teams operations for Madison Square Garden in 2001.

But Mills did not make the call on the pick...that was Grunfeld's guy....did he have the veto power..dunno....was he even in on the basketball side....to be honest I do not remeber hearing his name until after Layden was going out the door and he brought in Isiah.

Gunfield had intention on selecting St. Johns Ron Artest in the upcoming draft .. to put with Sprewell and resign Houston to a reasonable contract.

Dont it bother you that the Bulls selected Ron Artest with the next pick, like Mavs selected DSJ with next pick, or when the Pacers selected Lance Stephenson with the next pick, or when GS selected Curry with the pick before us and already had 8 guards with guranteed contract on their roster.

Hell yeah it does....I think you slect Ronnie and maybe that creates a butterfly effect that we may be in a completely different position....I loved him and SJU...him, Eric Barkley, Bootsie Thorthon....but I was just pointing out that although Mills was there with the org...I am not sure he was plugged in the chain of command to weigh in on that pick...not saying he could not of....but that was all Ernie's guy...that in my opinion screwed the franchise on behalf of Ernie...

You are mentioning Dave Checkett who immediately resigned at the end of the FINALS ..
Grunfeld went to the Bucks after the Knicks, then Grunfeld went to the Washington Bullets/Wizards after the Bucks job.
Conclusion .. Steve Mills dont know anything bout NBA Basketball!!!

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The Hardaway signing makes so little sense, I am inclined to say that Hardaway's agent is giving somebody a piece on the back end. Literally no bargaining position. No other clients of note (Mason Plumlee excluded of course). There is no reason for a 15% trade kicker based on bargaining position. Even poison pill logic on the restricted nature of THJ's free agency doesn't validate a 15% kicker. Only logic is more commission if paid.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Zach-Kurtin/690

It makes no sense. I have no logic to explain this contract, even days later I am baffled. If I were the league, I would be looking at this very closely. Somebody

I'm done with Mills.

Hardaway makes 18% of the cap. He's the 14th highest paid player at this position. He's being paid like a good starter which he certainly was last year and he's 24. If you goal is to assemble a young team that can grow together than this signing makes plenty of sense. You may not agree with it. Its not what I would do you but you are overreacting... by a lot. The gamble is did Hardaway have a breakout 2nd half or a good few months? Knicks could certainly lose that gamble, but this is not a big payday for an old over the hill player. When was the last time the Knicks took good gamble on young talent? In terms of upside which FA showed more promise than Hardaway last year? Good metrics, good +/-, he's been here before so the organization has a feel for what kind of guy he is... baffled? Really?

Dont mistaken this for being pro-Mills or even pro-Hardaway. I am neither, but the signing was not terrible. As for Mills what is his directive? Its its build a young team than fine. Whats the issue? When we are winning 30ish games and trading picks because the front office is telling fans we are one player away then yea... may the tar and feathering begin. This is the Knicks using the cap space from Rose, and older oft injured player to bring in a 24 year old up and coming player in the fold. Lets see what follows.

Using the 14th highest paid SG is a misleading concept. It gives very little clarity. He has one season with good metrics. His 15.2 PER makes him slightly above average player. The stat is modeled so that an average player as a 15 PER. He has one season a little better than average. The MLE is the salary is set as the average salary of all teams over the cap. Not precise, but an average player should make about $6MM. We can modify that number upwards by discounting for rookie scale contracts. But that upward modification is not $9mm. The argument that it is ONLY the 14th highest salary doesn't make it a good contract. You have to ascertain value. In a season where we do not expect to be extremely competitive, they need to hold out for value contracts. They could have and should have used the cap space to collect bona fide assets, not reach contracts.

This is a pattern. They overpaid Melo. They overpaid for Lance Thomas too. Noah's contract is obviously overstated. Head to head, I do not think that Hardaway beats out Courtney Lee for starting SG.

Its as though your Hardaway argument is intended to cheer us up. That if you hold the glass tilted to the left and close one eye while looking at it upwards, it kind of looks half full. But explain this. Why the 15% trade kicker? You will not have a good explanation for that. It makes no sense. Much like the Melo trade kicker/no trade clause. Is Hardaway that irreplaceable that you handout a poison pill contract to keep the Hawks from matching? Poison pill contracts almost always come back to bite the team receiving the player. Its bad policy. If it were the only player available at that position, I get it.

The directive is to add value to the franchise. No one should argue with that. Acquire assets that create value. Assets that are illiquid have no value. He left no bargaining position. If Hardaway becomes like Isaisah Thomas did in Hornacek's system, the value will be rationalized in that rear view mirror kind of way. But if we are being honest, that contract should have been no where near as high. It has just as high of a probability of burdening the Knicks beyond the expiration of Noah's contract burdening the Knicks. And for that reason it is a bad contract.

You can sell me on Hardaway. And I will cheer for him. But the contract is bad.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The Hardaway signing makes so little sense, I am inclined to say that Hardaway's agent is giving somebody a piece on the back end. Literally no bargaining position. No other clients of note (Mason Plumlee excluded of course). There is no reason for a 15% trade kicker based on bargaining position. Even poison pill logic on the restricted nature of THJ's free agency doesn't validate a 15% kicker. Only logic is more commission if paid.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Zach-Kurtin/690

It makes no sense. I have no logic to explain this contract, even days later I am baffled. If I were the league, I would be looking at this very closely. Somebody

I'm done with Mills.

Hardaway makes 18% of the cap. He's the 14th highest paid player at this position. He's being paid like a good starter which he certainly was last year and he's 24. If you goal is to assemble a young team that can grow together than this signing makes plenty of sense. You may not agree with it. Its not what I would do you but you are overreacting... by a lot. The gamble is did Hardaway have a breakout 2nd half or a good few months? Knicks could certainly lose that gamble, but this is not a big payday for an old over the hill player. When was the last time the Knicks took good gamble on young talent? In terms of upside which FA showed more promise than Hardaway last year? Good metrics, good +/-, he's been here before so the organization has a feel for what kind of guy he is... baffled? Really?

Dont mistaken this for being pro-Mills or even pro-Hardaway. I am neither, but the signing was not terrible. As for Mills what is his directive? Its its build a young team than fine. Whats the issue? When we are winning 30ish games and trading picks because the front office is telling fans we are one player away then yea... may the tar and feathering begin. This is the Knicks using the cap space from Rose, and older oft injured player to bring in a 24 year old up and coming player in the fold. Lets see what follows.

Using the 14th highest paid SG is a misleading concept. It gives very little clarity. He has one season with good metrics. His 15.2 PER makes him slightly above average player. The stat is modeled so that an average player as a 15 PER. He has one season a little better than average. The MLE is the salary is set as the average salary of all teams over the cap. Not precise, but an average player should make about $6MM. We can modify that number upwards by discounting for rookie scale contracts. But that upward modification is not $9mm. The argument that it is ONLY the 14th highest salary doesn't make it a good contract. You have to ascertain value. In a season where we do not expect to be extremely competitive, they need to hold out for value contracts. They could have and should have used the cap space to collect bona fide assets, not reach contracts.

This is a pattern. They overpaid Melo. They overpaid for Lance Thomas too. Noah's contract is obviously overstated. Head to head, I do not think that Hardaway beats out Courtney Lee for starting SG.

Its as though your Hardaway argument is intended to cheer us up. That if you hold the glass tilted to the left and close one eye while looking at it upwards, it kind of looks half full. But explain this. Why the 15% trade kicker? You will not have a good explanation for that. It makes no sense. Much like the Melo trade kicker/no trade clause. Is Hardaway that irreplaceable that you handout a poison pill contract to keep the Hawks from matching? Poison pill contracts almost always come back to bite the team receiving the player. Its bad policy. If it were the only player available at that position, I get it.

The directive is to add value to the franchise. No one should argue with that. Acquire assets that create value. Assets that are illiquid have no value. He left no bargaining position. If Hardaway becomes like Isaisah Thomas did in Hornacek's system, the value will be rationalized in that rear view mirror kind of way. But if we are being honest, that contract should have been no where near as high. It has just as high of a probability of burdening the Knicks beyond the expiration of Noah's contract burdening the Knicks. And for that reason it is a bad contract.

You can sell me on Hardaway. And I will cheer for him. But the contract is bad.

PER? People relied on PER back before the iPhone came out! There are much more important stats now.

Its an easy average with quick rules of thumb. We can break down VORP, TS% or any other stat you want. VORP overstates wins in its calculations. PER overstates usage ratio. But if you see the biases, it doesn't really matter. The point is he is an average player at best. High likelihood of regression. His breakout season looks like an outlier. Not a statistical progression.

EwingsGlass wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:I like the deal as well. We needed a scoring wing. Someone that can chip in with scoring to partly replace Melo's contribution. CLee is not that considering the coaching staff was prodding him to let loose. This is a gamble contract...and all of those opposing GM ridiculing the money...we were not the one's that gave Solomon Hill $50-60 mill, Etwaan Moore his deal, Ryan Anderson $80 mill, etc. I believe Tim's deal is more palatable than Otto Porter...Porter's ceiling is your number #2 scorer at best...and just like Ryan Anderson last year when teams were hot and heavy for him and now having buyers remorse....next yr will be the same for Porter...

Yes we could have give the money to KCP....it is a matter of timing....and preference.....if the deal does not work out we have a immovable contract with THJr....not our first....but if it works this may be a great gamble.

You are seriously going to act as though Hardaway is a better signing that Otto Porter? That is purely subjective and ignores actual stats and performance. Hardaways performance last year is the outlier in his career. He has three years performing with a PER rating of 11-12. Then this year he hits 15.2. Porter has a natural progression that correlates perfectly with his minutes played to bring him from 11 in his rookie season to 17.8 this year. The probability of Porter continuing that progression is about the same as Hardaway regressing back toward 11 or 12 (below average). 6'8 with a TS% of 62.8%. You are out of your mind to want Hardaway's contract more.

Also, you are naming the worst contracts signed to validate this contract. We did not need to sign Hardaway for 17MM under any circumstances. There was no pressing need. No need to give a trade kicker.

Just cause you support the player doesn't mean you need to support the contract. It is bad management.

Don't hate the player..hate the game...

Otto Porter deal will be the new Ryan Anderson in a year. I like Timmy...$17 mill is too much...but the Knicks wanted him and they wanted to deter the Hawks....do you really think Otto is worth $100 mill...and forget about the analytics......I could care less...the eye test, W-L, ability to show a variation in scoring and ability to hold your man defensively........yes Otto has shown more this year...a contract yr and he really just came on full steam this year....if he was worth $100 WAS would have locked him up like they did Bradley....

How can Otto fully progress when he is third on the totem pole. He will be $100 mill spot up shooter....his game does not impress me....when you are approaching $100 mill I need to see spurts where you can literally take over a game or two....Timmy is much more of a gifted scorer than Otto.... diversified scorer....

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The Hardaway signing makes so little sense, I am inclined to say that Hardaway's agent is giving somebody a piece on the back end. Literally no bargaining position. No other clients of note (Mason Plumlee excluded of course). There is no reason for a 15% trade kicker based on bargaining position. Even poison pill logic on the restricted nature of THJ's free agency doesn't validate a 15% kicker. Only logic is more commission if paid.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Zach-Kurtin/690

It makes no sense. I have no logic to explain this contract, even days later I am baffled. If I were the league, I would be looking at this very closely. Somebody

I'm done with Mills.

Hardaway makes 18% of the cap. He's the 14th highest paid player at this position. He's being paid like a good starter which he certainly was last year and he's 24. If you goal is to assemble a young team that can grow together than this signing makes plenty of sense. You may not agree with it. Its not what I would do you but you are overreacting... by a lot. The gamble is did Hardaway have a breakout 2nd half or a good few months? Knicks could certainly lose that gamble, but this is not a big payday for an old over the hill player. When was the last time the Knicks took good gamble on young talent? In terms of upside which FA showed more promise than Hardaway last year? Good metrics, good +/-, he's been here before so the organization has a feel for what kind of guy he is... baffled? Really?

Dont mistaken this for being pro-Mills or even pro-Hardaway. I am neither, but the signing was not terrible. As for Mills what is his directive? Its its build a young team than fine. Whats the issue? When we are winning 30ish games and trading picks because the front office is telling fans we are one player away then yea... may the tar and feathering begin. This is the Knicks using the cap space from Rose, and older oft injured player to bring in a 24 year old up and coming player in the fold. Lets see what follows.

Using the 14th highest paid SG is a misleading concept. It gives very little clarity. He has one season with good metrics. His 15.2 PER makes him slightly above average player. The stat is modeled so that an average player as a 15 PER. He has one season a little better than average. The MLE is the salary is set as the average salary of all teams over the cap. Not precise, but an average player should make about $6MM. We can modify that number upwards by discounting for rookie scale contracts. But that upward modification is not $9mm. The argument that it is ONLY the 14th highest salary doesn't make it a good contract. You have to ascertain value. In a season where we do not expect to be extremely competitive, they need to hold out for value contracts. They could have and should have used the cap space to collect bona fide assets, not reach contracts.

This is a pattern. They overpaid Melo. They overpaid for Lance Thomas too. Noah's contract is obviously overstated. Head to head, I do not think that Hardaway beats out Courtney Lee for starting SG.

Its as though your Hardaway argument is intended to cheer us up. That if you hold the glass tilted to the left and close one eye while looking at it upwards, it kind of looks half full. But explain this. Why the 15% trade kicker? You will not have a good explanation for that. It makes no sense. Much like the Melo trade kicker/no trade clause. Is Hardaway that irreplaceable that you handout a poison pill contract to keep the Hawks from matching? Poison pill contracts almost always come back to bite the team receiving the player. Its bad policy. If it were the only player available at that position, I get it.

The directive is to add value to the franchise. No one should argue with that. Acquire assets that create value. Assets that are illiquid have no value. He left no bargaining position. If Hardaway becomes like Isaisah Thomas did in Hornacek's system, the value will be rationalized in that rear view mirror kind of way. But if we are being honest, that contract should have been no where near as high. It has just as high of a probability of burdening the Knicks beyond the expiration of Noah's contract burdening the Knicks. And for that reason it is a bad contract.

You can sell me on Hardaway. And I will cheer for him. But the contract is bad.

PER? People relied on PER back before the iPhone came out! There are much more important stats now.

Its an easy average with quick rules of thumb. We can break down VORP, TS% or any other stat you want. VORP overstates wins in its calculations. PER overstates usage ratio. But if you see the biases, it doesn't really matter. The point is he is an average player at best. High likelihood of regression. His breakout season looks like an outlier. Not a statistical progression.

What about on/off plus minus? Real plus minus? TS%? Opponent FG%? He's significantly better than average in all of those, and it wasn't just this past year.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The Hardaway signing makes so little sense, I am inclined to say that Hardaway's agent is giving somebody a piece on the back end. Literally no bargaining position. No other clients of note (Mason Plumlee excluded of course). There is no reason for a 15% trade kicker based on bargaining position. Even poison pill logic on the restricted nature of THJ's free agency doesn't validate a 15% kicker. Only logic is more commission if paid.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Zach-Kurtin/690

It makes no sense. I have no logic to explain this contract, even days later I am baffled. If I were the league, I would be looking at this very closely. Somebody

I'm done with Mills.

Hardaway makes 18% of the cap. He's the 14th highest paid player at this position. He's being paid like a good starter which he certainly was last year and he's 24. If you goal is to assemble a young team that can grow together than this signing makes plenty of sense. You may not agree with it. Its not what I would do you but you are overreacting... by a lot. The gamble is did Hardaway have a breakout 2nd half or a good few months? Knicks could certainly lose that gamble, but this is not a big payday for an old over the hill player. When was the last time the Knicks took good gamble on young talent? In terms of upside which FA showed more promise than Hardaway last year? Good metrics, good +/-, he's been here before so the organization has a feel for what kind of guy he is... baffled? Really?

Dont mistaken this for being pro-Mills or even pro-Hardaway. I am neither, but the signing was not terrible. As for Mills what is his directive? Its its build a young team than fine. Whats the issue? When we are winning 30ish games and trading picks because the front office is telling fans we are one player away then yea... may the tar and feathering begin. This is the Knicks using the cap space from Rose, and older oft injured player to bring in a 24 year old up and coming player in the fold. Lets see what follows.

Using the 14th highest paid SG is a misleading concept. It gives very little clarity. He has one season with good metrics. His 15.2 PER makes him slightly above average player. The stat is modeled so that an average player as a 15 PER. He has one season a little better than average. The MLE is the salary is set as the average salary of all teams over the cap. Not precise, but an average player should make about $6MM. We can modify that number upwards by discounting for rookie scale contracts. But that upward modification is not $9mm. The argument that it is ONLY the 14th highest salary doesn't make it a good contract. You have to ascertain value. In a season where we do not expect to be extremely competitive, they need to hold out for value contracts. They could have and should have used the cap space to collect bona fide assets, not reach contracts.

This is a pattern. They overpaid Melo. They overpaid for Lance Thomas too. Noah's contract is obviously overstated. Head to head, I do not think that Hardaway beats out Courtney Lee for starting SG.

Its as though your Hardaway argument is intended to cheer us up. That if you hold the glass tilted to the left and close one eye while looking at it upwards, it kind of looks half full. But explain this. Why the 15% trade kicker? You will not have a good explanation for that. It makes no sense. Much like the Melo trade kicker/no trade clause. Is Hardaway that irreplaceable that you handout a poison pill contract to keep the Hawks from matching? Poison pill contracts almost always come back to bite the team receiving the player. Its bad policy. If it were the only player available at that position, I get it.

The directive is to add value to the franchise. No one should argue with that. Acquire assets that create value. Assets that are illiquid have no value. He left no bargaining position. If Hardaway becomes like Isaisah Thomas did in Hornacek's system, the value will be rationalized in that rear view mirror kind of way. But if we are being honest, that contract should have been no where near as high. It has just as high of a probability of burdening the Knicks beyond the expiration of Noah's contract burdening the Knicks. And for that reason it is a bad contract.

You can sell me on Hardaway. And I will cheer for him. But the contract is bad.

PER? People relied on PER back before the iPhone came out! There are much more important stats now.

Its an easy average with quick rules of thumb. We can break down VORP, TS% or any other stat you want. VORP overstates wins in its calculations. PER overstates usage ratio. But if you see the biases, it doesn't really matter. The point is he is an average player at best. High likelihood of regression. His breakout season looks like an outlier. Not a statistical progression.

What about on/off plus minus? Real plus minus? TS%? Opponent FG%? He's significantly better than average in all of those, and it wasn't just this past year.

How does On/Off plus minus tell you anything you can meaningfully compare to other players? It is so team specific. Even real plus minus is biased as it doesn't adjust for opposing play. It relies on generalized averages. It tells you if the team outscored the other team while he was on the floor. If I replaced Tim Hardaway with Gary Harris in that Hawks lineup, what would happen? You cannot tell me.

I am also not arguing that Hardaway didn't have a slightly above average season. But if you only use that season as the indicator of value, you have a high risk of a bad contract based on stat regression. I'll note that Bazemore had a horrific season and Hardaway rarely played while Bazemore was on the floor. His plus minus is skewed by virtue of him not being Bazemore.

http://http://www.82games.com/1617/1617ATL2.HTM http://

Congratulations, you and your +/- are the proud new owner of Not Bazemore.

TS% is relatively average but Atl has a history of creating efficient shots that are not maintained when a player leaves ATL. See Carroll, DeMarre. He went from a TS% of 57.5% and 60% when with ATL to 49% and 53% with an arguably better team in Toronto. If you pullup the shot charts, they have better efficiency in shot selection in ATL than most teams have. Hornacek certainly uses the right words to make the best use of this, but I'm not sure it is effectively implemented in NY. I would suggest a significant drop off in TS% in NY versus THJ's time in ATL.

EwingsGlass wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:I like the deal as well. We needed a scoring wing. Someone that can chip in with scoring to partly replace Melo's contribution. CLee is not that considering the coaching staff was prodding him to let loose. This is a gamble contract...and all of those opposing GM ridiculing the money...we were not the one's that gave Solomon Hill $50-60 mill, Etwaan Moore his deal, Ryan Anderson $80 mill, etc. I believe Tim's deal is more palatable than Otto Porter...Porter's ceiling is your number #2 scorer at best...and just like Ryan Anderson last year when teams were hot and heavy for him and now having buyers remorse....next yr will be the same for Porter...

Yes we could have give the money to KCP....it is a matter of timing....and preference.....if the deal does not work out we have a immovable contract with THJr....not our first....but if it works this may be a great gamble.

You are seriously going to act as though Hardaway is a better signing that Otto Porter? That is purely subjective and ignores actual stats and performance. Hardaways performance last year is the outlier in his career. He has three years performing with a PER rating of 11-12. Then this year he hits 15.2. Porter has a natural progression that correlates perfectly with his minutes played to bring him from 11 in his rookie season to 17.8 this year. The probability of Porter continuing that progression is about the same as Hardaway regressing back toward 11 or 12 (below average). 6'8 with a TS% of 62.8%. You are out of your mind to want Hardaway's contract more.

Also, you are naming the worst contracts signed to validate this contract. We did not need to sign Hardaway for 17MM under any circumstances. There was no pressing need. No need to give a trade kicker.

Just cause you support the player doesn't mean you need to support the contract. It is bad management.

Don't hate the player..hate the game...

Otto Porter deal will be the new Ryan Anderson in a year. I like Timmy...$17 mill is too much...but the Knicks wanted him and they wanted to deter the Hawks....do you really think Otto is worth $100 mill...and forget about the analytics......I could care less...the eye test, W-L, ability to show a variation in scoring and ability to hold your man defensively........yes Otto has shown more this year...a contract yr and he really just came on full steam this year....if he was worth $100 WAS would have locked him up like they did Bradley....

How can Otto fully progress when he is third on the totem pole. He will be $100 mill spot up shooter....his game does not impress me....when you are approaching $100 mill I need to see spurts where you can literally take over a game or two....Timmy is much more of a gifted scorer than Otto.... diversified scorer....

So, trouble with the curve argument. You like how he looks? Porter is 5 inches taller, plays SF, plays better defense and has an elite TS% (63%) as a spot shooter. Your not matching argument works the same way against THJ. Why didn't ATL match? Perhaps neither are worth the value -- both contracts being products of market distortion and a bubble caused by a comparative pricing model for players. We bought into the bubble and are now trying to make ourselves ok with it. On top of it, THJ has a much higher likelihood of regression than other players named.

More than looks..this is not ms USA....this about can a guy play and does their game fit ...ur team....I understand that u like the guy and you believe he is worth 9 figures...however I do not.....forget market distortion...the market is what a team will pay....bottom line...comparative pricing only matters with two like products...Tim and porter are different and valued to their teams as such....what I am saying is that porter is not worth 100 mill...but his team values him at 100 mill because they matched Atl did not and time will tell if the monetary value equals on the court value...