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1/4/2010  4:35 PM
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
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kam77 wrote:I made a strawman thread http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33482 that TMS felt threatened by for some reason, even though he ended up agreeing with the point i was making in my thread originating post, that Nate is not suited to the system we are trying to employ under D'antoni. Why he self-selected himself as the guy i was attacking in my thread as delusional, that i have no idea.

& u subsequently chose to take potshots on other threads poking fun at anyone who thought this was a personal issue between MDA & Nate, which has been 1 of the main points i've been arguing this entire time... but yeah, you're a completely innocent player in all this kam.

I can take any potshot anywhere but i never directly attacked anyone. Just said they're deluisional if they believe D'antoni would rather lose than play Nate because of personal nonsense.

who has ever said MDA would rather lose than play Nate?... i & a few others have said the benching was not entirely motivated by basketball reasons... there were big personal reasons behind the benching... correcting Nate's behavior & sending a message to the team that this type of behavior would not be tolerated are PERSONAL reasons...

They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

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1/4/2010  4:35 PM
You could see Hughes' face last night on the bench that he was increasingly unhappy. Well, too bad. It's actually sad that a bad team like us actually has a player logjam but we do.

Hughes started out not playing, played his way into the rotation, played very well at one point, got hurt, came back, and sucked all over again.

I think his frustration is he wants another contract and he can't get that sitting on the bench. Well, too bad.

More so he did the same thing in Chicago as he's done here. He was quiet. He sat. He was okay. Then he wasn't okay and he got loud about it. Then we traded for him.

But, well, whatever. If it becomes a real problem then you cut him after the deadline. Just flat out cut him. We have enough players to fill the 1-2 spots in any given game.

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1/4/2010  4:36 PM
martin wrote:
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nixluva wrote:Well i've learned my lesson and will keep a cool head in this ongoing discussion. I think it's never been a players right to get playing time. PT is 100% up to a coach's discretion. The idea that an NBA coach owes PT to a guy is crazy. The thing is that after coming back from his injury Hughes hasn't been a factor. MDA also has the advantage of seeing the guys in practice every day. The things he sees we'll never know, but i'm sure that it factors in too.

Hughes is allowed to blow of steam, but does he really have a valid argument in this case? How long does a coach have to go with a guy coming off injury before he goes against the "can't lose your job due to an injury" deal?

i think it's a bigger issue than guys believing they are owed playing time... when u see scrub players out there that you KNOW you're better than getting minutes, it's gotta tug at your ego... when you're a veteran like Larry Hughes that's put up good numbers in the past, it's gotta effect u all the more, especially when you were a part of the recent resurgence that the team had had.

i agree that Hughes deserved to be benched cuz he was really struggling out there of late, but i don't think it should go on for any prolonged stretch, cuz he has shown he can be a productive player in the past... i think playing guys like Bender or Landry over Nate or Hughes is ridiculous, but that's just me... MDA says he doesn't want to insult veterans by giving them sporadic minutes but IMO that might be even more insulting to the players looking at it from their point of view to see journeymen reclamation projects & undrafted rookies getting minutes while they're riding pine.

Generally speaking, Landry has not gotten time over Hughes (except obviously in the blowout to Indiana, which is a rare case). So throw out that argument. Next, bender and Hughes play different positions, so those 2 should never be in the same sentence.

MDA was playing Gallo, Fishlips or Harrington at the 3 when Bender was on the floor... take Bender off the floor & u can go with a 3 guard rotation if u want, or u can play Hughes at the 2 & shift Chandler over to the 3... how does Bender seeing minutes over Hughes not factor here?

cause Hughes plays minutes at the 2 and the 1. And Bender has not and does not.

Bender has not taken away minutes from Hughes.

i just explained how it does effect Hughes but u completely ignored it.

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1/4/2010  4:41 PM
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:I made a strawman thread http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33482 that TMS felt threatened by for some reason, even though he ended up agreeing with the point i was making in my thread originating post, that Nate is not suited to the system we are trying to employ under D'antoni. Why he self-selected himself as the guy i was attacking in my thread as delusional, that i have no idea.

& u subsequently chose to take potshots on other threads poking fun at anyone who thought this was a personal issue between MDA & Nate, which has been 1 of the main points i've been arguing this entire time... but yeah, you're a completely innocent player in all this kam.

I can take any potshot anywhere but i never directly attacked anyone. Just said they're deluisional if they believe D'antoni would rather lose than play Nate because of personal nonsense.

who has ever said MDA would rather lose than play Nate?... i & a few others have said the benching was not entirely motivated by basketball reasons... there were big personal reasons behind the benching... correcting Nate's behavior & sending a message to the team that this type of behavior would not be tolerated are PERSONAL reasons...

They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

u can insert the word basketball as many times as u want but u haven't really said anything to counter my point... behavior discipline is not related to trying to win a basketball game... it's addressing a personality & character flaw in a player, which is a personal aspect of the game... but i guess u also thought the thing between MDA & Stephon Marbury wasn't personal either... this is getting nowhere.

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1/4/2010  4:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  4:42 PM
Cosmic wrote:It's actually sad that a bad team like us actually has a player logjam but we do.

I've thought a big part of the Knicks' playoff drought has to do with it's "depth"... too many guys who deserve minutes in the rotation while not having enough deserving heavy minutes

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1/4/2010  4:43 PM
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Well i've learned my lesson and will keep a cool head in this ongoing discussion. I think it's never been a players right to get playing time. PT is 100% up to a coach's discretion. The idea that an NBA coach owes PT to a guy is crazy. The thing is that after coming back from his injury Hughes hasn't been a factor. MDA also has the advantage of seeing the guys in practice every day. The things he sees we'll never know, but i'm sure that it factors in too.

Hughes is allowed to blow of steam, but does he really have a valid argument in this case? How long does a coach have to go with a guy coming off injury before he goes against the "can't lose your job due to an injury" deal?

i think it's a bigger issue than guys believing they are owed playing time... when u see scrub players out there that you KNOW you're better than getting minutes, it's gotta tug at your ego... when you're a veteran like Larry Hughes that's put up good numbers in the past, it's gotta effect u all the more, especially when you were a part of the recent resurgence that the team had had.

i agree that Hughes deserved to be benched cuz he was really struggling out there of late, but i don't think it should go on for any prolonged stretch, cuz he has shown he can be a productive player in the past... i think playing guys like Bender or Landry over Nate or Hughes is ridiculous, but that's just me... MDA says he doesn't want to insult veterans by giving them sporadic minutes but IMO that might be even more insulting to the players looking at it from their point of view to see journeymen reclamation projects & undrafted rookies getting minutes while they're riding pine.

Generally speaking, Landry has not gotten time over Hughes (except obviously in the blowout to Indiana, which is a rare case). So throw out that argument. Next, bender and Hughes play different positions, so those 2 should never be in the same sentence.

MDA was playing Gallo, Fishlips or Harrington at the 3 when Bender was on the floor... take Bender off the floor & u can go with a 3 guard rotation if u want, or u can play Hughes at the 2 & shift Chandler over to the 3... how does Bender seeing minutes over Hughes not factor here?

cause Hughes plays minutes at the 2 and the 1. And Bender has not and does not.

Bender has not taken away minutes from Hughes.

i just explained how it does effect Hughes but u completely ignored it.

i have no idea what you said cause it doesn't make sense.

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1/4/2010  4:45 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Cosmic wrote:It's actually sad that a bad team like us actually has a player logjam but we do.

I've thought a big part of the Knicks' playoff drought has to do with it's "depth"... too many guys who deserve minutes in the rotation while not having enough deserving heavy minutes

Yes, the problem is that too many of them had contracts that no one wanted.
Otherwise, we may have been able to trade up, say 3 decent players for 1 somewhat better talent.
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1/4/2010  4:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  4:46 PM
i have no idea what you said cause it doesn't make sense.

take 1 player out of the rotation & give those minutes to another player... makes sense to me.

just cuz Hughes & Bender play different positions doesn't make a difference in this discussion... we have players like Al, Gallo & Chandler who can all play multiple positions, working Hughes into the rotation in place of Bender is easily executable.

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1/4/2010  4:50 PM
Panos wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Cosmic wrote:It's actually sad that a bad team like us actually has a player logjam but we do.

I've thought a big part of the Knicks' playoff drought has to do with it's "depth"... too many guys who deserve minutes in the rotation while not having enough deserving heavy minutes

Yes, the problem is that too many of them had contracts that no one wanted.
Otherwise, we may have been able to trade up, say 3 decent players for 1 somewhat better talent.

Yep, which is why I think regardless of how free agency plays out, letting these contracts expire is necessary

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1/4/2010  4:56 PM
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i have no idea what you said cause it doesn't make sense.

take 1 player out of the rotation & give those minutes to another player... makes sense to me.

just cuz Hughes & Bender play different positions doesn't make a difference in this discussion... we have players like Al, Gallo & Chandler who can all play multiple positions, working Hughes into the rotation in place of Bender is easily executable.

Hughes has sat 2 games (recently).

Against Atlanta, MDA went went small with Nate and Duhon for a while. Nate took Hughes' minutes. Or a combo of Chandler, Nate and Duhon took his minutes over the SG/PG position. Bender did not play in that game.

Against Indiana, which was a fluke game, Bender got 24 minutes, most of which were in the 4th quarter.

Your argument was that Bender was taking minutes away from Hughes, which is clearly not that case. Nate, Chandler, Duhon and Hughes' own crappy play are taking away minutes from Hughes.

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1/4/2010  4:59 PM
Duhon is the only point guard on the roster, period. I dare anybody to name another one. Every other guard is either a 2, or a combo guard that is shoot first.

Hughes was horrible the last few games, and was hurting the team. He would not stop clanking his horrible baseline jumpers, and stopped driving to the basket.

There is no comparison between benching Nate, for who there are at least 2 players who can directly replace him, in Hughes and TD and Duhon, who does not even have a backup.

Why there is no backup PG on the team is a different story, but Hughes just needs to collect his obscene contract and get over himself.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/4/2010  5:07 PM
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i have no idea what you said cause it doesn't make sense.

take 1 player out of the rotation & give those minutes to another player... makes sense to me.

just cuz Hughes & Bender play different positions doesn't make a difference in this discussion... we have players like Al, Gallo & Chandler who can all play multiple positions, working Hughes into the rotation in place of Bender is easily executable.

Hughes has sat 2 games (recently).

Against Atlanta, MDA went went small with Nate and Duhon for a while. Nate took Hughes' minutes. Or a combo of Chandler, Nate and Duhon took his minutes over the SG/PG position. Bender did not play in that game.

Against Indiana, which was a fluke game, Bender got 24 minutes, most of which were in the 4th quarter.

Your argument was that Bender was taking minutes away from Hughes, which is clearly not that case. Nate, Chandler, Duhon and Hughes' own crappy play are taking away minutes from Hughes.

actually my argument was that if i were Hughes & saw Bender getting minutes over me, i wouldn't be happy about it... my argument was also that MDA was JUSTIFIED in benching Hughes after the crappy way he was playing of late... my argument was that the benching should not be a prolonged benching because Hughes has shown he can be a very productive player in the past & was a big part of the recent turn around in this team's play... the fact that he got injured & subsequently lost his place in the rotation is easily something to be upset over if you're in Larry Hughes' shoes... my argument is that Jonathan Bender has done nothing to warrant the minutes he's getting in this rotation... there are guys much more deserving who have shown a lot more since they've been here that aren't getting minutes over him at this point, which includes Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, & before a couple nights ago included Nate Robinson & now Larry Hughes... it's also a joke that Fishlips has been getting as many as 35+ minutes in recent games also IMO... put Bender on the bench where he belongs & take away 10 of Fishlips' minutes a game & give them to a guy like Hughes, or spread them out to rookies like Hill & Douglas who we should be trying to develop right now.

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1/4/2010  5:07 PM
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:I made a strawman thread http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33482 that TMS felt threatened by for some reason, even though he ended up agreeing with the point i was making in my thread originating post, that Nate is not suited to the system we are trying to employ under D'antoni. Why he self-selected himself as the guy i was attacking in my thread as delusional, that i have no idea.

& u subsequently chose to take potshots on other threads poking fun at anyone who thought this was a personal issue between MDA & Nate, which has been 1 of the main points i've been arguing this entire time... but yeah, you're a completely innocent player in all this kam.

I can take any potshot anywhere but i never directly attacked anyone. Just said they're deluisional if they believe D'antoni would rather lose than play Nate because of personal nonsense.

who has ever said MDA would rather lose than play Nate?... i & a few others have said the benching was not entirely motivated by basketball reasons... there were big personal reasons behind the benching... correcting Nate's behavior & sending a message to the team that this type of behavior would not be tolerated are PERSONAL reasons...

They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

u can insert the word basketball as many times as u want but u haven't really said anything to counter my point... behavior discipline is not related to trying to win a basketball game... it's addressing a personality & character flaw in a player, which is a personal aspect of the game... but i guess u also thought the thing between MDA & Stephon Marbury wasn't personal either... this is getting nowhere.


I would guess that being a Coach requires being tough on players sometimes. If you have to sit a player because he is not taking losing seriously to send a message to your team, i call that basketball related. At the end of the day, you bench a guy only if you think he is hurting your chances of winning. D'antoni wants to win, not kill Nate Robinson's joy.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/4/2010  5:08 PM
It's just funny how these guys act so harmed by the lack of PT. Many of these same guys haven't contributed to a winning team in some time if ever. Yet they have great salaries and still every opportunity to get back in the rotation with hard work. I have no sympathy and I fully support the coach who has won before and understands what a winning mentality is all about.

These guys make me laugh. They want explanations or rather a chance to voice why they feel they should play, cuz that's the only reason to want to have a chat with the coach. It sounds like a kid trying to convince a parent to let them do or get something after they were told no. The answer will still be the same regardless of the conversation. Would it be nice to go and stroke the guys ego and have a long convo about the benching... i'm sure for the player it might has some value, but in the end MDA has made his decision.
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1/4/2010  5:18 PM
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:I made a strawman thread http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33482 that TMS felt threatened by for some reason, even though he ended up agreeing with the point i was making in my thread originating post, that Nate is not suited to the system we are trying to employ under D'antoni. Why he self-selected himself as the guy i was attacking in my thread as delusional, that i have no idea.

& u subsequently chose to take potshots on other threads poking fun at anyone who thought this was a personal issue between MDA & Nate, which has been 1 of the main points i've been arguing this entire time... but yeah, you're a completely innocent player in all this kam.

I can take any potshot anywhere but i never directly attacked anyone. Just said they're deluisional if they believe D'antoni would rather lose than play Nate because of personal nonsense.

who has ever said MDA would rather lose than play Nate?... i & a few others have said the benching was not entirely motivated by basketball reasons... there were big personal reasons behind the benching... correcting Nate's behavior & sending a message to the team that this type of behavior would not be tolerated are PERSONAL reasons...

They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

u can insert the word basketball as many times as u want but u haven't really said anything to counter my point... behavior discipline is not related to trying to win a basketball game... it's addressing a personality & character flaw in a player, which is a personal aspect of the game... but i guess u also thought the thing between MDA & Stephon Marbury wasn't personal either... this is getting nowhere.


I would guess that being a Coach requires being tough on players sometimes. If you have to sit a player because he is not taking losing seriously to send a message to your team, i call that basketball related. At the end of the day, you bench a guy only if you think he is hurting your chances of winning. D'antoni wants to win, not kill Nate Robinson's joy.

this is where we disagree... i agree that MDA wants to win, but he's incapable of doing it with players who rub him the wrong way regardless if they give him a better chance of winning or not... IMO this is why he passed up on signing AI at the beginning of the season when the team was playing worse basketball then ever in the franchise's history, because he was afraid it would blow up into another Marbury-like situation... him & Donnie made up some BS that the Knicks were more concerned about developing the youth to put a mask over their motivations but we all saw that wasn't the case... how many games have Douglas & Hill seen since then?... i have my own suspicions that a big part of the reason why the Knicks never seriously considered drafting Brandon Jennings was over maturity & personality concerns & not necessarily because of a lack of basketball talent & ability... then this whole thing with Nate Robinson which has been discussed ad nauseum... there just seems to be a pattern here that can't be ignored... this isn't about trying to create conspiracy theories, but after a certain point u simply can't ignore all the empirical evidence without forming your own doubts on the matter unless you're just blinded by everything because of the December W-L record.

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1/4/2010  5:22 PM
nixluva wrote:It's just funny how these guys act so harmed by the lack of PT. Many of these same guys haven't contributed to a winning team in some time if ever. Yet they have great salaries and still every opportunity to get back in the rotation with hard work. I have no sympathy and I fully support the coach who has won before and understands what a winning mentality is all about.

These guys make me laugh. They want explanations or rather a chance to voice why they feel they should play, cuz that's the only reason to want to have a chat with the coach. It sounds like a kid trying to convince a parent to let them do or get something after they were told no. The answer will still be the same regardless of the conversation. Would it be nice to go and stroke the guys ego and have a long convo about the benching... i'm sure for the player it might has some value, but in the end MDA has made his decision.

there's a reason why these guys are professional athletes that have had their egos stroked all their lives... they don't think like the average person because they're not average people... as a guy in charge of managing these egos u have to be careful & diplomatic in how u treat them, because this is not the army or college hoops where the coach's word is final & you better shut up & take it... there's a ton more at stake w/the dollar amounts that guys make & u gotta be able to stroke egos here & there to accomplish success.

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1/4/2010  6:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  6:38 PM
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
PresIke wrote:again...

what was d'antoni suppossed to do given that reality, and nate's inability to be a legit, consistent pg at this point? douglas played well enough early on, but duhon was the guy he depended on, and hughes then filled the void for a bit, yet then hughes fell off/got injured and duhon played better.

i do hear hughes' frustration since he did work hard to get back, but he wasn't playing well and the knicks had nate sitting on the bench, ready for a second shot. on this team this year, with a desperate sense for winning games, that's the mantra....

you suck (and we have someone who might take your spot) you sit.

that's not always the mantra... Bender sucks, why is he not sitting? u don't think Jordan Hill can take his spot in the rotation? Nate during his benching? hell, even Toney Douglas has shown more of an ability to be a factor than Bender has... y'all are trying to make this so simple, but things aren't as black & white as you wanna imagine them.

not trying to start a fire here, but you appear to be looking at things pretty black and white yourself too. does bender really suck? too me, he's a good source of rebounds and jumpshooting and looks pretty damn good for a guy whose been out of the league for 4 years and still working the rust off.

ok that's fair, i do take a black & white stance on players i think suck... but again, that doesn't counter the fact that this situation where MDA always plays the guys that are the most capable is not necessarily always the case... IMHO he picks & chooses certain guys who he finds the most able to coach... it's not always their performance on the floor all the time that determines his methods... i find him to have certain personal motivations behind his moves at times & i've explained why i think that over the past few days.

bro, with all due respect, i guess this is the part that i just seem to not understand a strong rationale for.

it's definitely more than possible that nate's "antics" get under mda's skin, especially when he may feel to have tried to use positive motivation tactics to encourage improvement in nate's areas of weakness, and sees so much ability in that player (which seems to me the case based on the public record, at least). heck that happens to anyone who wants to see someone change, works hard at it and doesn't get the results. i've had that happen to me as a manager and teacher, and felt that from managers, coaches, and teachers as well. that can be projecting, but we all do it in some form....sometimes worse than others.

basketball being a two way, team oriented game -- when it comes to historically poor teams like the knicks -- probably requires more than a player to be a potentially but not consistent lethal scorer, even in games where it may seem a team could use a players' talents. like in say, the last nets game. however, you also have to draw the line somewhere as a coach, which is what mda seemed to do benching nate, regardless of whether we could have "used him" in those certain games. coaches with mda's clout have the luxury to think and play things long term.

if we brought in some young coach with a lot to prove, he might have played nate a lot sooner. that's one of the reasons we are HUGELY fortunate, IMHO, to have mda here.

which leads to why i am unclear how it necessarily implies that the benching is for certain "personal," to me, and is exactly where the gap of understanding is happening here...

i think that's what bip has been trying to argue, saying that perhaps if one has not coached, or is not seeming to see things genuinely from from a coach's perspective then this could lead to assumptions about something like the benching being "personal", which...sure...it could be, but what on earth would mda be doing making millions of dollars to turn this team around making things personal with one player? the marbury thing, to me, was a similar thing, as has been other players' benchings. the dude is trying to change the culture of our team which has been pathetic for a decade, as we all know.

sometimes that means "coddling" and supporting, and other times it means holding players to high expectations and facing consequences if they are not met.

nate's "antics" and lack of defense on more than a few plays did hurt us, and i have a hard time separating that from the amazing things he could do on the floor at a given time to help.

my wonderment is what would d'antoni gain by making personal beefs with players?

i think for mda, since coming here, it's been mostly bidness, rather than personal.

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1/4/2010  6:34 PM
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

u can insert the word basketball as many times as u want but u haven't really said anything to counter my point... behavior discipline is not related to trying to win a basketball game... it's addressing a personality & character flaw in a player, which is a personal aspect of the game... but i guess u also thought the thing between MDA & Stephon Marbury wasn't personal either... this is getting nowhere.

I don't think you can use the word "basketball" too often. Basketball is a game played by basketball players who play basketball on basketball courts for basketball coaches in front of basketball fans. These basketball games are televised by stations that broadcast basketball games to viewers at home who are also basketball fans. Basketball fans also like to discuss basketball on basketball forums such as UK. They comment on the basketball players who play basketball, and the basketball coaches who coach basketball. Often, they digress into non-basketball related discussions, but usually the subject returns to basketball, which is a game played by basketball players who play basketball on basketball courts for basketball coaches in front of basketball fans. These basketball games are televised by stations that broadcast basketball games to viewers at home who are also basketball fans. Basketball fans also like to discuss basketball on basketball forums such as UK. They comment on the basketball players who play basketball, and the basketball coaches who coach basketball. Often, they digress into non-basketball related discussions, but usually the subject returns to basketball, which is a game played by basketball players who play basketball on basketball courts for basketball coaches in front of basketball fans. These basketball games are televised by stations that broadcast basketball games to viewers at home who are also basketball fans. Basketball fans also like to discuss basketball on basketball forums such as UK. They comment on the basketball players who play basketball, and the basketball coaches who coach basketball. Often, they digress into non-basketball related discussions, but usually the subject returns to basketball.

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1/4/2010  6:43 PM
kam77 wrote:
They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

This I think is the crux of the arguments that we have all been having for the last week or two over multiple threads. Some of us would characterize these as Basketball related issues, while others would think these are Personal issues. To me it is ultmately a matter of semantics which side you choose. But based on that choice you can contruse MDA is lying or he is doing what he should be doing.

As heated as the debates have been I doubt playing Nate and now Hughes would have or will produce vastly different results. I think from a win/loss perspective we are on course to be exactly where we should end up at the end of the season. 0.42 - 0.48 range. The 1-9 start was an aberration but I think over te rest of the season we will get to that 35-40 win range. Of course if the team can keep playing consistently the way they have been when the schedule gets bad in February then we would have a better record.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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1/4/2010  8:20 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:They are BASKETBALL reasons. This is a basketball team. D'antoni is a basketball coach paid to coach basketball players to win basketball games. If he has to bench one basketball player and it sends a message to the other basketball players about accountability and then that basketball team turns a corner and starts playing more like a cohesive basketball unit then, no, it wasn't personal.

u can insert the word basketball as many times as u want but u haven't really said anything to counter my point... behavior discipline is not related to trying to win a basketball game... it's addressing a personality & character flaw in a player, which is a personal aspect of the game... but i guess u also thought the thing between MDA & Stephon Marbury wasn't personal either... this is getting nowhere.

I don't think you can use the word "basketball" too often. Basketball is a game played by basketball players who play basketball on basketball courts for basketball coaches in front of basketball fans. These basketball games are televised by stations that broadcast basketball games to viewers at home who are also basketball fans. Basketball fans also like to discuss basketball on basketball forums such as UK. They comment on the basketball players who play basketball, and the basketball coaches who coach basketball. Often, they digress into non-basketball related discussions, but usually the subject returns to basketball, which is a game played by basketball players who play basketball on basketball courts for basketball coaches in front of basketball fans. These basketball games are televised by stations that broadcast basketball games to viewers at home who are also basketball fans. Basketball fans also like to discuss basketball on basketball forums such as UK. They comment on the basketball players who play basketball, and the basketball coaches who coach basketball. Often, they digress into non-basketball related discussions, but usually the subject returns to basketball, which is a game played by basketball players who play basketball on basketball courts for basketball coaches in front of basketball fans. These basketball games are televised by stations that broadcast basketball games to viewers at home who are also basketball fans. Basketball fans also like to discuss basketball on basketball forums such as UK. They comment on the basketball players who play basketball, and the basketball coaches who coach basketball. Often, they digress into non-basketball related discussions, but usually the subject returns to basketball.

LOL.


You play to win the game.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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