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kam77
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1/2/2010  5:56 AM
If you looked at Nate's play vs. the Hawks and thought he turned a over a new leaf, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni's brilliant button-pushing produced 41 points, you're delusional.
If you think Nate can consistently channel his fire into winning basketball, you're delusional.
If you think Nate hasn't frustrated every NBA head coach he's had, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni cost the knicks wins with nate's benching, you're delusional
(no one ever counts how many more losses would we have with Nate's bonehead plays?)

Nate hasn't proven he is a winning basketball player. One game down not a career define. He just happened to be in the zone for a night an played unstoppable. Unless you want to turn your entire offense over to Nate-ball, his style of play is not conducive to being a winning ingredient on a good team. He can be an iverson-lite. And we already passed on that type of ball dominating offensive weapon.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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AbrahamLincoln
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1/2/2010  6:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  6:16 AM
Yes sir. The voice of reason in here. Good to see.

I wonder what the posts would have been like if Nate came out and shot 1-8 with 3 turnovers. You probably wouldn't see anyone try to act like D'Antoni is a fool. People need to grow up and forget the man-crushes they have on players.

If Nate can get his act together then he's a good player. He hasn't show he can do that yet. 41 points doesn't tell me that. He's done that before and did that enough last season. He needs to show a willingness to play smarter, under control and play some defense. This is why he was sitting in the first place, not for this personal vendetta BS people like to slap on there. Seems like the people with agenda against D'Antoni were propping that up as the reason and are now coming out in the topics insulting him for benching Nate after this game.

I don't think some people really understand the concept of basketball. Style over substance does not equal wins. Let's see if Nate is a different player this time around.

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1/2/2010  6:11 AM
kam77 wrote:If you looked at Nate's play vs. the Hawks and thought he turned a over a new leaf, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni's brilliant button-pushing produced 41 points, you're delusional.
If you think Nate can consistently channel his fire into winning basketball, you're delusional.
If you think Nate hasn't frustrated every NBA head coach he's had, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni cost the knicks wins with nate's benching, you're delusional
(no one ever counts how many more losses would we have with Nate's bonehead plays?)

Nate hasn't proven he is a winning basketball player. One game down not a career define. He just happened to be in the zone for a night an played unstoppable. Unless you want to turn your entire offense over to Nate-ball, his style of play is not conducive to being a winning ingredient on a good team. He can be an iverson-lite. And we already passed on that type of ball dominating offensive weapon.

How can you bash a guy who just put up 41-8-6 and was the main conduit in winning? He'll have a 4-13---that will give you an opening! but give the guy slack for a night??

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1/2/2010  6:50 AM
AbrahamLincoln wrote:Yes sir. The voice of reason in here. Good to see.

I wonder what the posts would have been like if Nate came out and shot 1-8 with 3 turnovers. You probably wouldn't see anyone try to act like D'Antoni is a fool. People need to grow up and forget the man-crushes they have on players.

If Nate can get his act together then he's a good player. He hasn't show he can do that yet. 41 points doesn't tell me that. He's done that before and did that enough last season. He needs to show a willingness to play smarter, under control and play some defense. This is why he was sitting in the first place, not for this personal vendetta BS people like to slap on there. Seems like the people with agenda against D'Antoni were propping that up as the reason and are now coming out in the topics insulting him for benching Nate after this game.

I don't think some people really understand the concept of basketball. Style over substance does not equal wins. Let's see if Nate is a different player this time around.

People coming to the games to have fun not to see boring Sloan/Pop/Larry Brown bbal. We don't need another good boring coach in NY!!!

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1/2/2010  7:49 AM

People kill me with this winning basketball thing...Knicks would not have won last nights game if Nate had not exploded for 41 points...Thats winning basketball!!!
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1/2/2010  8:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  8:11 AM
hear hear kam!! long live reason and justice!!

Had he 'turned a leaf', his would not have reacted the way he did during the post game interview.

He was not humble. He did not learn any lessons. Same nate, same story, GOTTA GO SEE YA LATER NATE!!!

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/2/2010  8:13 AM
nate was in the zone, and was playing out of control. Thanks for the W. But I'm still a hater.
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1/2/2010  8:38 AM
He was playing defense and moving the ball.
If this were hockey he would have had 2 mote assists as he started two other swings.

I ignored his scoring, because we know he can do that, but his defense (almost exclusively in a zone) and his ball movement were nate's contributions to winning.

If you watched the game then you have no complaints.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/2/2010  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  8:43 AM
do it over a whole month, for starters, then we see what's up, aight??

even better, we see how he play against pacers. he show commitment to winning, is all good.

but even mda said "...we've seen this before, we gotta keep focused on winning basketball"

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/2/2010  9:10 AM
Yep. Agree. But atleast praise the kid for doing his job.

All I've read from some are eff Nate this and don't be happy that.

I was cheering on the couch and the knicks one.

To me, one of the defining wins of the season.

The zone defense with jeffries on the point in all dantoni.
Anyone notice Gallo, with 5 fouls, playing tough defense and contributing?

The knicks rolls are beginning to fill in and knowing that Nate can contribute was refreshing.

Another game Sunday and the knicks have yet to show they can handle prosperity.

Go knicks.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/2/2010  9:43 AM
babyKnicks wrote:Yep. Agree. But atleast praise the kid for doing his job.

All I've read from some are eff Nate this and don't be happy that.

I was cheering on the couch and the knicks one.

To me, one of the defining wins of the season.

The zone defense with jeffries on the point in all dantoni.
Anyone notice Gallo, with 5 fouls, playing tough defense and contributing?

The knicks rolls are beginning to fill in and knowing that Nate can contribute was refreshing.

Another game Sunday and the knicks have yet to show they can handle prosperity.

Go knicks.

Good post, think we can all agree to this. He was the a big part of why we won this game and the next few games will define who is as a ball player and a team mate.

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1/2/2010  10:37 AM
The big issue with Nate is how does he play when he is against a team that does not allow him to do what he did yesterday? Does he force the situation? Does he become a smaller version of Harrington at his worst moments?

Nate was great yesterday, but he has had games like last night's before, and then had a bunch of games where he was terrible.

If Nate takes what he is given, and tones it down on the nights when he does not have it, or is facing an excellent defensive team, he will be an asset to the team.

If Nate forces things and plays out of control 3 games to every 1 like last night, then last night's game was fool's gold.

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1/2/2010  11:23 AM
Nate played his role, which has always been an energy guy off the bench! All that MDA wanted was more focus on both ends and not to let his celebration distract him from his job. It's ok to celebrate but not while the other team is taking the ball up the court 5 on 4 cuz Nate is still playing to the crowd!!! He wasn't guilty of that last night.

This team or any team can use his energy, especially late in games, when it's focused. MDA wasn't saying never celebrate! Just stay focused more on winning. Don't get so carried away that you forget to play the game right way. This was the good Nate and MDA needs what he brings. We don't have another penetrator on his level. Thing is that he had to still get back on D and pass, which he did.

The guy CAN do this every night!!! It's too cynical to suggest that he can't. Also he was out for a month! Don't think that this hasn't left an impression on him that will effect how he plays the game. He wants to be here and he wants to play. He knows that MDA is dead serious about what he expects from Nate!

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1/2/2010  11:31 AM
How many players have put on a performance like that this year???

That was one of the more dominant scoring displays we have seen out of a player ever to wear the uniform. He embarrassed Joe Johnson and was the best player on the floor and had 8 assists. Amazing how everyone piles on him. Harrington sucked and took terrible shots but that never seems to be brought up.

Jefferies is praised for his defense but is the worst offensive player maybe in the league.

I think people have to realize that the kid is special, and with special talent sometimes you need to let things go. He shoots a high percentage and if he commits to playing defense he is the perfect off guard to stick next to Lebron. Again name the players in the league that could have done what he did last night. You would have trouble to come up with 15 names.

Let's see how he plays the next few games before dumping on him and saying his benching was the reason for the teams success. If everyone gets excited about Larry Hughes 11 assists and starts lobbying to bring him back give Nate the same benefit of the doubt. A player that can fill up the box score for under 5 million doesn't exist

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1/2/2010  11:34 AM
Nate's problem continues to be that he is simply a gunner who plays so-so defense at best. When the shots go down, it looks great, but when they are not falling, then Nate really brings nothing else. His one on one game disrupts the offensive flow and his average defense gives up points on the other end. Did you notice last night that our offensive flow was essentially non-existent in the 4th quarter and overtime. It was basically nate 1 on 1 and a few attempts by Chandler and a shot by Gallo. No real ball movement. Unless Nate is going to score 41 points every game, we simply cannot consistently win with no offensive flow. Nate still needs to learn to play within the flow of the offense. If he ever learns that, he will be a great player but it has been 5 years and he seems no closer to mastering that skill.
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1/2/2010  11:39 AM
nixluva wrote:Nate played his role, which has always been an energy guy off the bench! All that MDA wanted was more focus on both ends and not to let his celebration distract him from his job. It's ok to celebrate but not while the other team is taking the ball up the court 5 on 4 cuz Nate is still playing to the crowd!!! He wasn't guilty of that last night.

This team or any team can use his energy, especially late in games, when it's focused. MDA wasn't saying never celebrate! Just stay focused more on winning. Don't get so carried away that you forget to play the game right way. This was the good Nate and MDA needs what he brings. We don't have another penetrator on his level. Thing is that he had to still get back on D and pass, which he did.

The guy CAN do this every night!!! It's too cynical to suggest that he can't. Also he was out for a month! Don't think that this hasn't left an impression on him that will effect how he plays the game. He wants to be here and he wants to play. He knows that MDA is dead serious about what he expects from Nate!

MDA left an impression alright...Knicks should trade him as soon as they can because the kid is so gone after this season..

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1/2/2010  11:39 AM
btw can we just merge all 3 active nate threads right now into one?
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/2/2010  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  11:48 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:If you looked at Nate's play vs. the Hawks and thought he turned a over a new leaf, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni's brilliant button-pushing produced 41 points, you're delusional.
If you think Nate can consistently channel his fire into winning basketball, you're delusional.
If you think Nate hasn't frustrated every NBA head coach he's had, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni cost the knicks wins with nate's benching, you're delusional
(no one ever counts how many more losses would we have with Nate's bonehead plays?)

Nate hasn't proven he is a winning basketball player. One game down not a career define. He just happened to be in the zone for a night an played unstoppable. Unless you want to turn your entire offense over to Nate-ball, his style of play is not conducive to being a winning ingredient on a good team. He can be an iverson-lite. And we already passed on that type of ball dominating offensive weapon.

How can you bash a guy who just put up 41-8-6 and was the main conduit in winning? He'll have a 4-13---that will give you an opening! but give the guy slack for a night??

Dont mind them, some people around here have been conditioned to hate Robinson for any and everything. Even after a superlative performance like this. His benching was uncessary and people that didnt like Nate celebrated the move and championed management. Now that he's back, some will put on their war paint and bash Nate at every turn.

Nate's behavior is whatever at times, but the cat is a true baller and his positives far outweigh his negatives, IMO.

He beat a Eastern Conference contender, on their own floor, damn near all by himself.

That exhibition will be hard to top as performance of the year! Hahaha at the haters. Let em be.

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1/2/2010  11:48 AM
You only trade Nate if it makes the team better going forward. I don't know of too many bench guys that fulfill that role to the degree he does when he's focused. That was the good Nate. We know he's a 1 on 1 type and that's what we need at times late in games. That doesn't mean he forgot to pass or get back on D! He did those things unlike earlier in Orlando when he didn't and we never caught up and lost the game. That was the bad Nate!
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1/2/2010  11:50 AM
TheGame wrote:Nate's problem continues to be that he is simply a gunner who plays so-so defense at best. When the shots go down, it looks great, but when they are not falling, then Nate really brings nothing else. His one on one game disrupts the offensive flow and his average defense gives up points on the other end. Did you notice last night that our offensive flow was essentially non-existent in the 4th quarter and overtime. It was basically nate 1 on 1 and a few attempts by Chandler and a shot by Gallo. No real ball movement. Unless Nate is going to score 41 points every game, we simply cannot consistently win with no offensive flow. Nate still needs to learn to play within the flow of the offense. If he ever learns that, he will be a great player but it has been 5 years and he seems no closer to mastering that skill.

Game, have to disagree with you...Nate is who he is...There is a role for players like Nate in the NBA...Playing within the team concept is very important to win consistantly in this league I do agree...Nate brings something different to the game..Instant offense...Vinny Johnson helped Detriot win 2 Championships...He shot the ball everytime he touched it...EVERYTIME...Detriot needed his style of play as part of their makeup...Knicks can use Nate coming off the bench giving them a spark when everyone else is flat just like last night...DLee was off, Harrington was off...Only Chan Will was bringing it...Knicks needed Nate last night and will need his game many more nights...It's up to the coach to find the proper role for this unbridled talent... The kid reminded us how distruction a guard can be who gets into the lane at will...

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