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crzymdups
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6/28/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by fishmike:

my preferences were Alexander, Westbrook and Love. So I wanted Alexander w/ 6 but I am confident DG will be a good player. Walsh knows what he's doing, so does DAntoni. I think there will need to be some patience involved but he will be a very good player

i'm willing to give them a chance. i am more concerned with how they go about dealing with Lee and the PG situation right now. I agree the draft wasn't great and there wasn't a no-brainer on the board. If Westbrook had been passed, I would have had a coniption. But with him off the board and Mayo out of reach, Gallinari is a solid pick. I would have personally preferred Anthony Randolph if we went with an upside pick or Joe Alexander as BPA, but I can live with the pick. It's the next moves with ZBo, Steph and Lee that are far more important.
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6/28/2008  5:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:

Isles, everything i've seen from Bayless makes me think he is a giant punk. why would you want that kid? he's a horrible little jerk who was pissed he was traded to portland, the most talented young team in the nba. now he's saying teams are crazy to think he can't play SG and PG. screw this kid, seriously.

i'm guessing the knicks passed on him for his nasty little attitude.

My first choice, by far, was to move down. But I'm not allowed to pick that in this rigged little game.

everyone had preferences... i wouldn't have minded if they traded down to unload Zach's albatross either, but we have to deal w/what actually went down, & the BPA that we had to choose from at #6 when it was our turn to pick.
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6/28/2008  7:23 PM
TTP - trade the pick
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6/28/2008  7:25 PM
put dj down for Ante Tomic
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6/28/2008  7:29 PM
Put me down for Eric Gordon and I think it is a perfect fit for the Knicks. The city of New York and the fans are very patient and they will give MDA and DG at least 3 years before they boo them. I cant think of a better city and fans to nurture a young kid until he blossoms into a player in three years.
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6/28/2008  9:44 PM
Posted by King1:

Put me down for Eric Gordon and I think it is a perfect fit for the Knicks. The city of New York and the fans are very patient and they will give MDA and DG at least 3 years before they boo them. I cant think of a better city and fans to nurture a young kid until he blossoms into a player in three years.

Another Eric Gordon supporter No Way!
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6/28/2008  11:00 PM
DJ Augustine = Brevin Knight.... you should be able to do better at pick 6. Glad Donnie had the balls to pass on all those ho-hum guards.
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6/29/2008  12:02 AM
What if 'you' weren't willing to take a gamble on this kid?
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6/29/2008  2:10 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/sports/basketball/28knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball&oref=slogin
If Danilo Gallinari had an N.C.A.A. pedigree, an endorsement from Dick Vitale and a less-exotic name, he might have been greeted with roses instead of raspberries when the Knicks made him the sixth pick of the N.B.A. draft.

Instead, fans at the Theater at Madison Square Garden booed the unknown. The scouting report may not fit the soft European stereotype, but it does, in fact, belong to Gallinari.

He flashed another important trait Friday morning: the prescience to acknowledge that scouting reports mean nothing to a jaded fan base.

“I came from Milan, that has similar fans,” Gallinari said during an informal news conference at the Knicks’ training center. “I will work to prove to everybody the type of player that I am.”
Aside from grainy YouTube videos of Gallinari in Milan, there is little for Knicks fans to base their impressions on. Even Donnie Walsh, the Knicks’ president, has never seen him play in person, although he watched Gallinari work out twice.

But Walsh received in-depth reports from Kevin Wilson, the Knicks’ director of international scouting, and got firsthand accounts from two other staff members: Glen Grunwald, the senior vice president, and Isiah Thomas, the deposed team president, whom Walsh dispatched to Europe last month.

The most comprehensive information came from Wilson, who has been tracking Gallinari for three years, since Gallinari turned professional at 16.

“He was a special kid from an early age,” Wilson said.

It was not until recently that Wilson saw something more. In the second half of last season, “I really zeroed in on how big his heart was, how hard he worked, how much improvement he’d made, how good he could become,” Wilson said. “Because he’s not a finished product.”

According to Wilson, Gallinari has exceptional ball-handling skills for his size, a high basketball I.Q. and a jump shot that is much better than he showed in Europe. He can hit the N.B.A. 3-pointer consistently and is an adept passer with good court vision, Wilson said. But unlike the stereotypical European big man — including his countryman Andrea Bargnani — Gallinari is not content to float on the perimeter.

Wilson said that Gallinari aggressively drove to the basket and averaged 8 to 10 free-throw attempts a game this season. Gallinari was his team’s primary fourth-quarter option, as a scorer and a playmaker.

“He has toughness,” Wilson said. “American guys over there heard that he was ‘the Man,’ so they wanted to put him in his place. They would pop him, they would ’bow him, they would hit him. He would take it. He wouldn’t get mad, he wouldn’t get rattled. Just come down, make a basket on them, look at them, wouldn’t back down.”

Gallinari can play either forward position, although he may not have the lateral quickness to guard small forwards or the muscle yet to guard some power forwards. He is listed at 210 pounds, but the Knicks intend to put him on a weight training and conditioning program immediately. (They will also see his baseball skills — Gallinari is throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Mets-Yankees game Saturday.)

Gallinari is staying in the United States for the next three weeks and will play for the Knicks’ summer-league team in Las Vegas next month.

And then there is this: Gallinari is probably still growing. He said that he measured 6 feet 9 inches without shoes and that doctors told him he would grow another inch or two.

“The combination of being able to take it to the goal and to shoot from the outside, for a guy that big, is going to be, I think, a pretty lethal combination,” Walsh said.

Talent and size do not always translate immediately from Europe to the N.B.A., particularly among younger players. Dirk Nowitzki looked like a bust as a 20-year-old rookie in 1999, then blossomed over the next few years

“You might have to wait on him,” Wilson said of Gallinari. “You’re going to have to work with him, wait on him, encourage him, develop him, play him, let him take his lumps. It will make him stronger, it will make him better.”
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6/29/2008  2:21 AM
read this article:
ESPN The Magazine: Meet Andrea Bargnani
By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine

Updated: February 28, 2007, 4:39 PM ET

Years from now -- when it's routine to see him dropping three-pointers over the outstretched arms of clumsy, lumbering big men and SportsCenter regularly features him spinning on the block and posterizing clawing defenders, when his uncanny passes draw comparisons to those of Bill Walton and Chris Webber -- we'll point to a cold November morning in Denver as the NBA birth of Andrea Bargnani.

Andrea Bargnani isn't your stereotypical soft Euro baller.

It was a Sunday, and the Raptors were coming off back-to-back road games. Coach Sam Mitchell had wanted to give his team the day off, but they were 2-7, losers of five straight and playing softer than smooth jazz. So he "invited" six big guys, including his tentative and unproductive No. 1 draft pick, to join him at a local health club.

You couldn't really call it a practice; there was no shooting, dribbling or passing to be seen. With patrons watching from stationary bikes and weekend warriors playing pickup on adjacent courts, Mitchell put one ball beneath the basket and two players at the foul line. One man's job was to get the ball, the other's was to keep him from touching it. By any means necessary.

"It was like a fight," Bargnani says three months later. "Nothing dirty, just a tough, physical practice. It was the right thing to do."

After Bargnani and his teammates banged bodies for nearly two hours, Mitchell pulled the rookie aside. This was the type of aggressiveness he wanted to see, he told him. The next night in Utah, Bargnani was unrecognizable, nearly quadrupling his then-season average with 15 points.

"From then on, he's played like a man," says star teammate Chris Bosh.

* * * * *

Last June's critics didn't expect such compliments to be lobbed Bargnani's way when the Raptors made him the first Euro ever taken at the top of the draft. At least not this soon. In spite of Dirk's dominance and the capable contributions of imports like Mehmet Okur and Boris Diaw, many incoming Euros suffer the indignity of being compared to high-lottery busts Darko Milicic and Nikoloz Tskitishvili. Twice-bitten scouts won't soon forget that, blinded by overseas hype, they once overlooked Bosh, Carmelo, D-Wade and Amaré for those two. So when Bargnani's name was the first one David Stern called, a common sentiment was, Who'd the Raptors leave on the table by banking on the next Euro-bust?

The skeptics have been shamed. With a stroke as pure as bottled water, Bargnani is already one of the league's top sixth men and Brandon Roy's chief competition for Rookie of the Year honors. During the Raptors' surge to the top of the Atlantic, Bargnani averaged 13.5 ppg on 50% shooting in February. Fact is, not even his biggest supporters expected so much so soon. Before the season, if he hadn't done enough to earn a spot in the Rookie Challenge during All-Star Weekend, Raptors management wouldn't have been the least bit discouraged. But there he was in Vegas, foiling Andrew Bogut with a nasty scoop shot and earning raves from none other than the big German himself.

Nowitzki, sitting in the bowels of the Thomas & Mack Center, first scoffed at the rush to compare the two: "Every tall, white shooter who comes over is going to be compared to me." But then he made the parallel himself. And he finds himself lacking. Dirk says that at 21, the newcomer is better than he was: "Sky's the limit for him."

Another prodigy confirms it. "He's like a junior Dirk," LeBron says after Bargnani's 18-point, seven-rebound effort in a one-point loss to the Cavaliers in their first game after the break. "He's going to be a very, very, very impressive player in this league."

More than skill level separates Bargnani from the Euros who have come before him. For one, Raptors management has surrounded him with a strong support group that's made playing in Toronto the next best thing to playing in Italy. While team president Bryan Colangelo claims it's all coincidence, he signed two of Bargnani's former teammates -- Spain's Jorge Garbajosa and Slovenia's Uros Slokar -- and named Bargnani's former GM at Benetton Treviso, Maurizio Gherardini, the club's assistant GM. With five other international players on the squad, Bargnani, who speaks English well, has no problem finding a teammate to converse with in Italian, too.

Critics have also ignored the fact that while Milicic and Tskitishvili played sparingly in Europe and thus were drafted solely on potential, Bargnani has been a key player in the top ranks of European basketball.

You'd never know Bargnani was a future force (or even a nouveau riche pro jock) by visiting his Toronto digs. Sure, he lives on prime downtown real estate on the shore of Lake Ontario, but a request for a tour of the tiny two-bedroom apartment draws embarrassed laughter from the big man. "This is it," he says, spreading his arms in the den and nearly touching the dining room table.

Mom, Luisella Balducci, was a roommate through January, and she's to be thanked for whatever sparse furnishings Bargnani has. Since she returned to Italy, he's added a 46-inch flat-screen on the wall, and that's about it. There's an iPod sound system for music, a tan couch and love seat for lounging, a closet full of multicolor Air Force 1's, and a PlayStation 3 console. Problem is, with just one controller, he's forced to play his video games solo. "Every time I go to the store, they're sold out," he says innocently, never thinking that a person of his stature could have one hand-delivered to his door.

About the only hint that someone with special gifts resides here is on a wall near the bedrooms, where several framed, self-made collages featuring Bargnani's exploits, as captured by Italian newspapers, hang. There's a picture of him blocking Lamond Murray's shot in an exhibition game he played against the Raptors two years ago and a portrait of him attempting a ferocious dunk over three defenders, one of whom is grabbing his arm. "They called a charge on me," Bargnani says, smiling. "But see right there? He fouled me."

Bargnani is making a strong push for Rookie of the Year.

It's telling that there are no photos of Bargnani sinking soft jumpers or steering clear of contact. This is at heart one tough Euro. Curse at him, as Bosh did after Bargnani surrendered four straight offensive rebounds against Golden State on Dec. 17, and get instant improvement. Five of his 10 rebounds that night were offensive, and all five came after Bosh went off on him. Challenge him after he fails to grab a single rebound in a game, as Mitchell did Feb. 14, and get seven boards the next time out. Throw an elbow his way, as several opponents have, and you'd better duck. Unlike most Euro bigs, Bargnani yearns one day to set up in the post. He works on his inside game daily with assistant coaches and can't wait until he can regularly use his size advantage to exploit folks down low.

"He ain't no punk," Mitchell says. "He is Italian! Them Italians ain't backing down!"

He'll match your trash-talk, too. Even if you might not be able to understand a word of it. After being hounded by Mike Dunleavy, Bargnani faced him up, sank a jumper in his face and yelled something in Italian. During the next timeout, Raptors vet Darrick Martin ran to him to find out what he'd said. Bargnani just smiled.

The Raptors get a kick out of Bargnani's verbal mischief. Whenever he screams something after a dunk or in the heat of competition, the bench guys go crazy, then run to Slokar for a translation. He's often hesitant to give up the goods.

"He'll say, Andiamo!" Slokar says. "That means 'Let's go!' The other stuff? Let's just leave that where it is: on the court."

Everyone has a theory about where Bargnani gets his toughness and unusual swagger. Slokar believes it comes from his hometown. "In Europe, Roman people -- not necessarily Italians, but Romans -- are known for being confident," he says. "They're proud of their background." Others point to Bargnani's family backstory. The elder of two boys whose parents divorced when he was 13, perhaps Andrea was forced to develop a man-of-the-house persona early on.

Teammate Anthony Parker cuts through all the psycho-babble. He says, "He's absolutely fearless. Why? I think he was just born with it." Bargnani himself brushes off talk of his extraordinary self-confidence. "I'm just a normal person," he says. But the trait is real, measurable, in fact.

For years, NBA teams have used the Caliper Profile to evaluate potential draft picks. The Caliper is a personality profile used by numerous corporations and organizations to measure one's capacity to excel in specific situations. Over the past 24 years, Caliper has assessed more than 20,000 athletes, including NBA players from Detroit, San Antonio, Denver and Phoenix. Colangelo has long been sold on the system. When he heard how Bargnani measured up, he nearly dropped the phone.

"They said his upside and potential were off the charts," Colangelo says from the tunnel of the Air Canada Centre as Bargnani drains a three against the Cavaliers. "They said, 'Out of all the athletes we've profiled, we've never seen anything like this.' "

The test showed that Bargnani is virtually oblivious to what others think of him. And his tremendous ability to block out such potentially negative pressures enables him to focus completely on the task at hand. So the expectations and anxieties that come with being the No.1 pick, or the only Italian-born player in the league, or even taking a game-winning shot, don't even register with him.

* * * * *

Skills? Check. Confidence? Check. But does he know how to play the game?

Rewind to a home contest against Atlanta on Jan. 5. Bargnani streaks down the right sideline on a break, heads toward the left block and receives a pass from Parker. In one motion, he catches the ball and throws a no-look bounce pass behind his back, past his defender and into the hands of Bosh, who is fouled as he attempts to finish with a dunk. The pass instantly earns YouTube status.

"That showed he's got a phenomenal basketball IQ," Martin says. "To see Bosh behind him and have the presence of mind to make that pass while he's running down the floor in transition? Some point guards can't see that."

The 35-year-old Martin, in his 12th season, has taken Bargnani under his wing. He's the one who coined the nickname everyone in Toronto uses: Big Rook. Bargnani likes it, but he likes what fans in Italy called him even better: Il Mago. Translation: The Magician.

"He's got a little ways to go before I call him that," Martin says with a laugh.

Yeah, it will be a cold November morning before that happens.

he took a big step back in his 2nd season. is he a bust? no, it's still way too early in his career to say that. but the moral of the story is that all these articles about foreign players really don't tell fans anything. what euro scouts say, what his former coaches say, what anybody says really means nothing when it comes to what he actually does on the court. and this is an article about bargs mainly in the US.

danillo will either be good or bad. some guys can make the transition from europe to the nba, some guys can't. we'll see what he does once he gets here.

i'm not sure what fans are expecting...but again, i'll say if he becomes dunleavy/hedo/tim thomas, then knicks fans should be happy.
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6/29/2008  3:41 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:

Izybx- DJ Augustine
oohah- Bayless
rocknick- Gallinari
Bippity10- Alexander
Uptown- Gallinari
TheGame- Bayless
TMS- Gallinari
Ira- Bayless
Islesfan- Bayless
GKFv2- Bayless
Martin- Gallinari
NYKBocker- Gallinari
Briggs- Bayless
Panos- Bayless
JohnWallace44- Gallinari
PhilinLA- Gallinari
Trueblue- Eric Gordon
Markji- Gallinari
KnicksSince88- Gallinari
Allanfan20- Alexander
Crzymdups- Alexander

[Edited by - izybx on 28-06-2008 12:48 PM]

Are you ever planning on explaining the criteria that this rigged "I told you so" contest is going to be judged by?

Im sure that we will be able to debate that next year when we have a thread about who was right and who was wrong
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6/29/2008  3:43 AM
Izybx- DJ Augustine
oohah- Bayless
rocknick- Gallinari
Bippity10- Alexander
Uptown- Gallinari
TheGame- Bayless
TMS- Gallinari
Ira- Bayless
Islesfan- Bayless
GKFv2- Bayless
Martin- Gallinari
NYKBocker- Gallinari
Briggs- Bayless
Panos- Bayless
JohnWallace44- Gallinari
PhilinLA- Gallinari
Trueblue- Eric Gordon
Markji- Gallinari
KnicksSince88- Gallinari
Allanfan20- Alexander
Crzymdups- Alexander
King1- Eric Gordon
fishmike- Alexander
4949- Brook Lopez

[Edited by - izybx on 29-06-2008 04:12 AM]
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6/29/2008  12:26 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:

Izybx- DJ Augustine
oohah- Bayless
rocknick- Gallinari
Bippity10- Alexander
Uptown- Gallinari
TheGame- Bayless
TMS- Gallinari
Ira- Bayless
Islesfan- Bayless
GKFv2- Bayless
Martin- Gallinari
NYKBocker- Gallinari
Briggs- Bayless
Panos- Bayless
JohnWallace44- Gallinari
PhilinLA- Gallinari
Trueblue- Eric Gordon
Markji- Gallinari
KnicksSince88- Gallinari
Allanfan20- Alexander
Crzymdups- Alexander

[Edited by - izybx on 28-06-2008 12:48 PM]

Are you ever planning on explaining the criteria that this rigged "I told you so" contest is going to be judged by?

Im sure that we will be able to debate that next year when we have a thread about who was right and who was wrong

If it's something that has to be debated then this whole exercise is pointless.

Let's be logical and not go by inflated statistics based on nothing more than playing time, system and being forced into a bigger role in an attempt to justify the pick. Team success sounds like the best way to judge this.
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6/29/2008  12:30 PM
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6/29/2008  12:59 PM
gallinari - nobody else stands out after the top 4 picks.
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Posted by azamatbagatov:

gallinari - nobody else stands out after the top 4 picks.

I look at it this way--if Portland had Bayless as pick 4 on their board--the same team that has absolutely cleaned clock in the draft--then Bayless was a high value pick that made much more sense given our lack of gurds and the fact we have taken 3-4 SF in a row. My bet is there will be mutliple guys after pick 6 who are better than Gallinari.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by azamatbagatov:

gallinari - nobody else stands out after the top 4 picks.

I look at it this way--if Portland had Bayless as pick 4 on their board--the same team that has absolutely cleaned clock in the draft--then Bayless was a high value pick that made much more sense given our lack of gurds and the fact we have taken 3-4 SF in a row. My bet is there will be mutliple guys after pick 6 who are better than Gallinari.


portland did do the roy and aldridge swaps but they also traded the chance to draft Deron or Paul for Martell Webster.


the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:

Izybx- DJ Augustine
oohah- Bayless
rocknick- Gallinari
Bippity10- Alexander
Uptown- Gallinari
TheGame- Bayless
TMS- Gallinari
Ira- Bayless
Islesfan- Bayless
GKFv2- Bayless
Martin- Gallinari
NYKBocker- Gallinari
Briggs- Bayless
Panos- Bayless
JohnWallace44- Gallinari
PhilinLA- Gallinari
Trueblue- Eric Gordon
Markji- Gallinari
KnicksSince88- Gallinari
Allanfan20- Alexander
Crzymdups- Alexander

[Edited by - izybx on 28-06-2008 12:48 PM]

Are you ever planning on explaining the criteria that this rigged "I told you so" contest is going to be judged by?

Im sure that we will be able to debate that next year when we have a thread about who was right and who was wrong

If it's something that has to be debated then this whole exercise is pointless.

Let's be logical and not go by inflated statistics based on nothing more than playing time, system and being forced into a bigger role in an attempt to justify the pick. Team success sounds like the best way to judge this.

LOL That makes sense! I bet you that the Knicks will be more successful than the Blazers! LOLOLOL!
How about per minute production and PER?
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6/29/2008  2:25 PM
Izybx- DJ Augustine
oohah- Bayless
rocknick- Gallinari
Bippity10- Alexander
Uptown- Gallinari
TheGame- Bayless
TMS- Gallinari
Ira- Bayless
Islesfan- Bayless
GKFv2- Bayless
Martin- Gallinari
NYKBocker- Gallinari
Briggs- Bayless
Panos- Bayless
JohnWallace44- Gallinari
PhilinLA- Gallinari
Trueblue- Eric Gordon
Markji- Gallinari
KnicksSince88- Gallinari
Allanfan20- Alexander
Crzymdups- Alexander
King1- Eric Gordon
fishmike- Alexander
4949- Brook Lopez
McK1- Speights
azamatbagatov- Gallinari
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6/29/2008  4:02 PM
Exposed!

Westbrook or Randolph or Bust LOL!


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