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misterearl
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6/19/2007  10:40 AM
Ray Charles could find more than 10 decent basketball players in 30 years



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6/19/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Ray Charles could find more than 10 decent basketball players in 30 years

What gets me is you are labeling all of Isiah's picks successes (all 4 years of them) when he drafted all projects and the on ly one I will really consider a success so far is David Lee. And even that is using the term "success" loosely because he has been in the league 2 years.
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6/19/2007  10:45 AM
joeC - not at all.

I'm just quantifying that Isiah has selected more players that could play a lick in four years than in the 30 previous years

oh, so now all of a sudden David Lee sucks?
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6/19/2007  10:46 AM
i think at this point, i think isiah has shown an ability to draft players that can perform in the nba. how good they can perform is yet to be seen but no busts. the question comes down to, and this applies to all his acquisitions, is what type of team are we building and do they fit.

but if looking at each pick in a vacuum, isiah has shown to be a very competant drafter.
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6/19/2007  10:47 AM
No matter when you draft there are always players available that have value. I think that many GM's don't really have a good handle on recognizing talent unless it's all in there face in the form of a stud. Isiah has proven to be capable of finding good talent late in drafts and since we have had so many late picks he's had to use that talent a lot. Still I don't think he's overthinking at all. If he likes a player for this team and thinks they can fit, I think that's his only motive. Frye was a safe pick and I think if he coud've taken a chance on someone with a high upside, but he didn't do that. Neither did he do that with Lee.
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6/19/2007  10:50 AM
all of Isiah's picks are not sucesses

but I'll gladly accept the sexy six - Frye, Balkman, Lee, Collins, Ariza, and even that munchkin maniac Nate as empirical evidence that Isiah knows how to draft NBA-grade talent
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6/19/2007  10:51 AM
That is six in four years

as oppposed to ten in 30 years

you do the math
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6/19/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by misterearl:

That is six in four years

as oppposed to ten in 30 years

you do the math

from 85-91 there were 5 productive players drafted. That's 5 in 6 years. Once again this was when the Knicks weren't good. They tailed off in the 90's except for '92 and '94(no pick in 93). so that is 7 in 8 years (or 7 on 7 drafts). Keep in mind they signed Starks in 90-91 and Mase in 91-92. So technically that got 9 good young players in the years from '85-'94. With no picks in '93.

9 players in 8 drafts. Once again most of them were while the Knicks weren't too good(discounting Davis and Ward).
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6/19/2007  11:30 AM
I have a feeling Isiah's compiling draft picks to get a superstar and my reasoning is because of the owner Dolemite.

The guy likes fans #1 to be Entertained and in the process make as much money as possible.

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6/19/2007  11:55 AM
I've noticed that Isiah seems to be going out of his way to devalue the shooters in this draft. More than a few times, Isiah is on record saying there isn't any Houston like shooters available. With that said, maybe this is Isiah's way of devaluing Almond, so the speak, so that he drops to us at 23.
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6/19/2007  2:13 PM
bigbeast - if that smarmy Isiah claimed he would trade his own Mom's if he felt it made the Knicks better, speading some bald-faced lies is definately in play

if GM's don't give the press material to write about they'll turn on you

then again, if you do give 'em material, they'll put it in their own words

whadyagunnado?

[Edited by - misterearl on 06-19-2007 2:15 PM]
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6/20/2007  8:40 AM
Unless Wilson Chnadler is picked before slot 23 comes up--which is doubtful
you can mark it down that he is the pick. Too much evidence to suggest otherwise.
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6/20/2007  9:13 AM
The "evidence" strikes me as cirumstantial at best.

A player holds himself out of work-outs possibly due to injury.
Some writer speculates that it’s because he got an offer from Isiah, since you know, that matches his MO with Frye and all.
The notion gets "hyped hard" on realGM.
A New York Sports writer picks up on it, since you know, Zeke did the same thing with Balkman, and talks to one of Chandler's "people" who of course says yes the Knicks are interested along with seven other NBA teams. He's hot I tell ya.

Hey, we could pick the guy, but sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by the "evidence". Let me know if you have more.

Meanwhile the Knicks are still working out players and Isiah is probably just fine with everyone thinking he is going to pick yet another under-valued athletic forward with his late first round pick. Everyone who buys the evidence, that is.


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6/20/2007  9:18 AM
rembee - New York sports coverage me of that game we played in elementary school.. you know the one where someone starts a rumar and then passes it down the line... through the entire class... until the original rumor has morphed into a fantastically new story...

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6/20/2007  9:33 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Unless Wilson Chnadler is picked before slot 23 comes up--which is doubtful
you can mark it down that he is the pick. Too much evidence to suggest otherwise.

Marked down. We'll hold you to this one.
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6/20/2007  9:46 AM
Earl, I wouldn't like the pick. In a draft where we are supposedly trying to fill a need, another "athletic" forward is the very last thing we should be taking, right up there with an offense-oriented post-playing center. Taking Chandler would be saying, hey lets take this guy because he isn't going to get any PT anyway. And that would make me sad. But like Balkman last year, while he would not have been my pick, with Isiah you know this guy is at least going to be a player.

That aside, what I dislike about this rumor is that it continues the pattern of people not giving Isiah any credit as a basketball mind, even when it comes to the part of GMing that he does best. You could almost hear the gears in some writer’s head...this guy is holding himself out of work-outs, wouldn't it be fun to speculate that he got a promise, who do we know dumb enough to give a 1st round promise to a 2nd round player? Isiah!

I suspect that Isiah's statement that there are no jump-shooters in the draft is simply too obtuse to not be a smokescreen. Everyone knows we need a shooter, Marbury has come out and said it, so Zeke is trying to throw people off. If he does take Chandler? Well, it wouldn't be the first move he made that I didn't agree with.
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6/20/2007  12:31 PM
rembee - people that hang on every syllable uttered by Isiah Thomas are missing the entertainment value of diversionary tactics. Of COURSE (wink. wink) there are no jump shooters in the draft...


With that said, the thumbnail description of Chandler sounded suspiciously like Trevor Ariza. If there is one saving grace to Wilson is that he could be insurance behind Rashard Lewis, who I believe is Isiah's number one priority.

Lewis provides the much needed outside offense threat and some bonus length at the three.

My under-the-radar flava of the week someone who can understudy to Marbury and Mardy Collins at lead guard... and is still (drum roll) ... Ramon Sessions







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Posted by RemBee76:

The "evidence" strikes me as cirumstantial at best.

A player holds himself out of work-outs possibly due to injury.
Some writer speculates that it’s because he got an offer from Isiah, since you know, that matches his MO with Frye and all.
The notion gets "hyped hard" on realGM.
A New York Sports writer picks up on it, since you know, Zeke did the same thing with Balkman, and talks to one of Chandler's "people" who of course says yes the Knicks are interested along with seven other NBA teams. He's hot I tell ya.

Hey, we could pick the guy, but sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by the "evidence". Let me know if you have more.

Meanwhile the Knicks are still working out players and Isiah is probably just fine with everyone thinking he is going to pick yet another under-valued athletic forward with his late first round pick. Everyone who buys the evidence, that is.


It's evident to me--if we dont move that pick--we are taking Wilson Chandler.

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[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by RemBee76:

The "evidence" strikes me as cirumstantial at best.

A player holds himself out of work-outs possibly due to injury.
Some writer speculates that it�s because he got an offer from Isiah, since you know, that matches his MO with Frye and all.
The notion gets "hyped hard" on realGM.
A New York Sports writer picks up on it, since you know, Zeke did the same thing with Balkman, and talks to one of Chandler's "people" who of course says yes the Knicks are interested along with seven other NBA teams. He's hot I tell ya.

Hey, we could pick the guy, but sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by the "evidence". Let me know if you have more.

Meanwhile the Knicks are still working out players and Isiah is probably just fine with everyone thinking he is going to pick yet another under-valued athletic forward with his late first round pick. Everyone who buys the evidence, that is.


It's evident to me--if we dont move that pick--we are taking Wilson Chandler.

Briggs, U so crazy!
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=21756

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Posted by Pharzeone:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by RemBee76:

The "evidence" strikes me as cirumstantial at best.

A player holds himself out of work-outs possibly due to injury.
Some writer speculates that it�s because he got an offer from Isiah, since you know, that matches his MO with Frye and all.
The notion gets "hyped hard" on realGM.
A New York Sports writer picks up on it, since you know, Zeke did the same thing with Balkman, and talks to one of Chandler's "people" who of course says yes the Knicks are interested along with seven other NBA teams. He's hot I tell ya.

Hey, we could pick the guy, but sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by the "evidence". Let me know if you have more.

Meanwhile the Knicks are still working out players and Isiah is probably just fine with everyone thinking he is going to pick yet another under-valued athletic forward with his late first round pick. Everyone who buys the evidence, that is.


It's evident to me--if we dont move that pick--we are taking Wilson Chandler.

Briggs, U so crazy!
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=21756

That was a nice left hook that staggered me. I shrugged it off and have come back swinging and feel I have connected:)
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