WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kaminsky solid again. His defense stil is a question mark but the pluses are solid.

Nice d by Frank there

watched most of the game. His defense is atrocious and I don't think that he can ever be a passable defender.

As a former teacher I might accept this as an attempt at a topic sentence, but you might want to include some specific examples to support your main idea...

I was not able to see the game, so all I can do is look at the stat line which, among other things, shows a =/- of +7, 8 rebounds and 2 blks.

Can you actually describe why his D is atrocious and why, in your opinion, he will never be a passable defender?

Briggs was responding to specific things as he watched the game, you made a somewhat broad statement- it would be nice to follow with some examples.

Just a thought.

you should be able to find the game online.

Ah heck...not much of an answer...big letdown. If I continue with the teacher analogy- you get an F.

Its kind of like asking a kid to do an essay discussing the Declaration of Independence and being told I should read it.

I'm at a disadvantage since I have not seen any games, yet.

Don't see why you can't be more descriptive.

Examples might include (sure you can come up with more)

Reaction time, lateral movement, poor stance, lack of awareness, missed assignments, poor rotations, lack of concentration, no defense in the post, constantly gave up the baseline, does not challenge on a jumper, can't defend on the pick and roll, was being blown by on the perimeter...

I actually watched both games and here is the correct answer. Frank has played very well. Despite a slow start to game 1 he has been efficient and easily one of the top 3-5 players in the summer league in Orlando. Yesterday he helped put Charlotte in a position to win the game with 3 excellent defensive sequences in a row which lead to 3 tons and transition baskets. Throughout both games Franks d would easily be described as reasonable just like Patrick Ewing said during the telecast. If And his plus overall play which included averaging over 17 points and 10 rebounds with the highest efg in so must have Charlotte fans very excited. His play has been very good and if Pj Hairtson didn't take it upon himself to Chuck shots he would've been back to back 20-10games. I've seen justice Winslow both games and while he has been good on the dribble drive he had trouble when asked to guard Ryan Boatright yesterday and wholesome suspected he is shooting 18% from 3 and living on some driving ability that might not be there for him in the nba. The 2super standouts have been Johnson and turner

BRIGGS wrote:Frank has played very well.

It's summer league.

That being said, you can't knock a player for production when all he can do is play the games put in front of him and against the players put in front of him, he has no control over that.

But it has to be tempered by the fact that any prospect is not running up against pure NBA regular season type of rosters/situations/talent/speed.

You have to look at the skill sets in context. How they translate against actual game in NBA competition. How will he look on D after a back to back, against a gelled NBA rotation where the recovery windows are much smaller and the athleticism grade of the competition is much higher, after hitting his rookie wall and realizing the refs are going to shade a lot of close contact calls against him just for being a rookie?

He's a rookie. I realize some folks here have a giant hard on for him and also believe their rookie du jour will perform at a near historic rate with no learning curve and no regression, but there are legit questions regarding both his short term and long term defensive pedigree. There's a reason he fell in the draft where he did.

also myles turner looks GREAT. better at defense than i expected and his outside jumper is nice

BRIGGS wrote:Turner is going to be an nba superstar

Was the concern over his running gait (the most bizarre reason I've seen for a player to drop!) completely exaggerated?

callmened wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Turner is going to be an nba superstar

Was the concern over his running gait (the most bizarre reason I've seen for a player to drop!) completely exaggerated?

yeah i found that strange too. they said he had a bad running gait. lol.

It's true he looks like a young Hakeem right now

Not as physically developed as I thought he was. Taller than I thought, though, with a good wingspan.

smackeddog wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like Stanley Johnson's game a lot. I was hoping the Knicks would take a look at him, but I don't think they ever seriously did.

I think they had him in for a workout. I just think they feel KP "Is a once in a lifetime talent" and not for nothing a 7 footer who plays like a a really good SF is a once in a lifetime thing.

Oh man, I asked you lot why he had fallen in the run up to the draft and you all said he was exposed as being poor- I will never trust you all again!

Yeah, I like Stanley Johnson a lot, however, there were no teams this year that had 2 draft picks in the range to package to move up unlike past years
That was why I was hoping we would land the TOP 2 pick with Lakers missing out on this draft and Philly having 2-3 1st rounders and willing to overpay with heavily with other teams going on a bidding war
Philly could have had 3 1st rounders in the TOP 10 this past draft, with Laker's 1st rounder TOP 6 protected, Miami TOP 10 protected, and Philly's own draft pick that was a TOP 5-6 pick at worse

Would have been possible if everything landed, which was very likely....
I seriously would rather have multiple draft picks than just OK4 and even Town's at his salary as the #1 overall pick, if we could have got Philly to overpay, and give us future draft picks as well as some cost efficient players on their roster

With one draft pick, we could have got multiple assets/players, I think this was what Phil Jackson was hoping to do, especially with Philly having a very good chance in landing 2-3 draft picks, though they just missed out on both of them...
We could have got 2-3 players, in addition to 1 more player with Tim Hardaway's trade, and OTHER assets, it would allow us to contend and build for our future, while we could have overpaid for talents like Monroe/LA/Jordan

Mudiay
Winslow/Henzoja/Stanely Johnson

Kaminksi
WCS/Miles Turner

Bobby Portis/Grant/Justin Anderson with Tim Hardaway's trade too

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:aaron gordon looks CHISELED! #nitricOxide pills improved jumper tho

I am very impressed with him.

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