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2/4/2009  12:50 AM
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BRIGGS, if you want to argue that Lopez is a good talent who has great potential, I have no problem with that. Argue that the Knicks should have drafted position over talent, then you are arguing against yourself a million times over in a losing battle.

Could you let me know why Lopez is only averaging 11 points a game this year? And this is with a compliment of, and I quote you, "quite possibly the best backcourt in the NBA".

Also, who the heck did Lopez get these points against? Second run bench players like Elson Francisco and Gadzuric? World beaters.

Lopez may have put up a good game and has some really goods to put up, but you persuade the masses with caca.

What are Gallinari lovers persuading the masses with?

People used 10 minutes of summer league ball, against players who couldn't carry Elson and Gadzuric's jock, to persuade the masses that Gallinari was a solid pick.

Isn't that worse?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Care to let me know who Lopez was beating up against in this meaningful game?

Come on martin---i saw Lopez play numerous times in two years--I posted about him numerous times--my guess is you didnt know the difference between Brook and Robin until 2 weeks before the draft ---get real dude.

I still don't know the difference between Brook and Robin. Or Elson Francisco and Gadzuric for that matter.

My mom thinks she can get 20 & 10 off of Gadzuric and his bulging eyeballs.
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I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.
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Seriously stop lying you didn't.

I don't lie Trueblue and I dont use other handles like you. Just to stay on fact--I posted about Brook Lopez being a top 3-4 pick 17 times here are 8=9 of them
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02-15-2008 12:16 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote 1. Michael Beasley==KN ST F
2. Jerryd Bayless-- AZ ST combo guard
3. Brook Lopez--Stan F/C
4 Derrick Rose--Memp combo G
5 Blake Griffin--Okla F
6 Darrel Arthur--Kansas F
7 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina F
8 Eric Gordon--Ind combo
9 Hasheem Thabeet C Uconn C
10 Billy Walker Kan ST wing

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=25863
I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=25945

03-06-2008 10:48 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote 1. Michael Beasley F
2. Derrick Rose G
3 Brook Lopez F/C
4. Anthony Randolph F
5 Hasheem Thabeet C

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quote:Originally posted by Swishfm3:

Briggs daily flavor of the day.



I think if anyone had a player they liked set in stone in this partiuclar draft other than pick 1 or two--then they were probably ahead of themselves. I believe the TOP 5 LONG term prospects are

Beasley
Rose
Mayo
Lopez
Mcgee


http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26072

03-15-2008 10:41 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote So if we take the names Beasley Rose Lopez Mayo out---then what do you do if your the Knicks--that is what the Knicks should concentrate on.
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03-22-2008 1:37 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote es. Vote for whoever you want--for whatever reason you want

1. Michael Beasley F
2. Derrick Rose PG
3. Javale Mcgee C/F
4. Brook Lopez C/F
5. Anthony Randolph F


Hey King 1--sure we dont need a C in the draft?
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Member: #297 04-02-2008 01:24 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote It looked like Bogut was having problems seeing and breathing--you could notice his mouth open [a sign that you are breathing hard] and his mask looke dmurky] yet he goes 24-13 9/14. Did you happen to notice that Mike Redd was taking it to the whole at will?

Maybe David Lee Randolph and Curry can score and rebound but they all CANNOT defend the post--a primary reason why we sck. To be honest the post was defended better by Balkman Jefferies and Chandler and coincidently that was the time we ripped open the game.

I don't know who will stay or go but don't you think we need someone who can guard the darn post?


Also the Bucks came back when their PG got into Crawford and defended him hard. Fastest way for the Knicks to get better is to guard the 1 and 5 spots. Once we stop the ball and defend the paint well get better--all of the shooting guard stuff--that will take care of itself.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26297

Lopez--absolute lock for top 3 http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26248

Not a bad prize for us at all. He's enormous--tremendous base strength with good basic post skills that should be able to be tightened up in his process of improving. Not the quickest post defender but still his body strength alone will help any team hurting in the middle. While he does have his awkward points--overall a tremendous prospect. 10Xs the prospect any of these combo guards are.

It's more of a top heavy 3 draft but there there are still potentially some very exciting big players who are unerdevloped physically. I read that Koufus wants to leave Ohio State and he could easily be another hugh level target--but as of now it's a top 3 draft and then the work begins.

To take problem solving out of the Knicks future--we must be a top 3 pick. Even Isiah Channing Frye number 1 pick Thomas could not fck this draft up top 3.

03-28-2008 11:17 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote Pick 1 He is pulling away from the pack at warp speed. I under rated his enormous potential a few times this year but I bow down to the number 1 pick in this draft by three lengths--MR Derrick Rose

Pick2..---tough tough call. As great a prize Mr beasley is and he sure as heck will be an offensive superstar in the pros----I have to balance the star potential of Beasley with the awesome post presence of Mr Lopez. Sorry Isiah--Channing Frye was a pssy in college and a pssy in the NBA--when you said Duncan lite you were shotting darts with a blindfold---Mr Lopez my friend is the dam closest thing to Duncan anyone as seen since Duncan came out of Wake Forest 11 years ago--winner Lopez l He's not Duncan but he's way to close to pass on at pick 2.

Pick 3. Beasley--who can I compare him to a taller Paul Pierce? Would any Knick fan be disapointed with an offensive superstar---no--we would love him but the name of the game is team ball and to me Mr Beasley does not quite fit the bill for the NY Knicks like Mr Lopez does.
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2/4/2009  1:36 AM
Lets put it this way, it wasnt just us who passed on Lopez, his stock dropped slightly because many GM wasnt convinced he had the foot speed and low post moves to survive the NBA. Lets see how Gallo plays out the rest of the season first before we come to a some conclusion which is the better pick. Frankly its not Gallos skillset that worries me (kids really got skilss) but his bad back.
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Posted by BRIGGS:



I had Lopez at 3 all year long.


This thread you had him at 4 only after a couple of day before at 3...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26151



Uh Oh here's another thread where you have him at 4...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26156&page=1



Uh Oh here's another thread you have him sliding now at 7...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26536



Explain this post...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26807&page=1 Let me guess you were just goofing around and simulating after several weeks before stating he was a Lock at 3



Man the Dude is falling like a Rock as we inch close to the draft now at 13...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26062



Now you have him moving back up but still not 3 more like 8...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26953



Does your ALL YR LONG mean during the college season? If so why did your LOCK change?



[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-04-2009 10:31 AM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:



I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.


Seriously stop lying you didn't.

I don't lie Trueblue and I dont use other handles like you. Just to stay on fact--I posted about Brook Lopez being a top 3-4 pick 17 times here are 8=9 of them
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=25581
02-15-2008 12:16 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote 1. Michael Beasley==KN ST F
2. Jerryd Bayless-- AZ ST combo guard
3. Brook Lopez--Stan F/C
4 Derrick Rose--Memp combo G
5 Blake Griffin--Okla F
6 Darrel Arthur--Kansas F
7 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina F
8 Eric Gordon--Ind combo
9 Hasheem Thabeet C Uconn C
10 Billy Walker Kan ST wing

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=25863
I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=25945

03-06-2008 10:48 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote 1. Michael Beasley F
2. Derrick Rose G
3 Brook Lopez F/C
4. Anthony Randolph F
5 Hasheem Thabeet C

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quote:Originally posted by Swishfm3:

Briggs daily flavor of the day.



I think if anyone had a player they liked set in stone in this partiuclar draft other than pick 1 or two--then they were probably ahead of themselves. I believe the TOP 5 LONG term prospects are

Beasley
Rose
Mayo
Lopez
Mcgee


http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26072

03-15-2008 10:41 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote So if we take the names Beasley Rose Lopez Mayo out---then what do you do if your the Knicks--that is what the Knicks should concentrate on.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26156

03-22-2008 1:37 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote es. Vote for whoever you want--for whatever reason you want

1. Michael Beasley F
2. Derrick Rose PG
3. Javale Mcgee C/F
4. Brook Lopez C/F
5. Anthony Randolph F


Hey King 1--sure we dont need a C in the draft?
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Maybe David Lee Randolph and Curry can score and rebound but they all CANNOT defend the post--a primary reason why we sck. To be honest the post was defended better by Balkman Jefferies and Chandler and coincidently that was the time we ripped open the game.

I don't know who will stay or go but don't you think we need someone who can guard the darn post?


Also the Bucks came back when their PG got into Crawford and defended him hard. Fastest way for the Knicks to get better is to guard the 1 and 5 spots. Once we stop the ball and defend the paint well get better--all of the shooting guard stuff--that will take care of itself.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26297

Lopez--absolute lock for top 3 http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26248

Not a bad prize for us at all. He's enormous--tremendous base strength with good basic post skills that should be able to be tightened up in his process of improving. Not the quickest post defender but still his body strength alone will help any team hurting in the middle. While he does have his awkward points--overall a tremendous prospect. 10Xs the prospect any of these combo guards are.

It's more of a top heavy 3 draft but there there are still potentially some very exciting big players who are unerdevloped physically. I read that Koufus wants to leave Ohio State and he could easily be another hugh level target--but as of now it's a top 3 draft and then the work begins.

To take problem solving out of the Knicks future--we must be a top 3 pick. Even Isiah Channing Frye number 1 pick Thomas could not fck this draft up top 3.

03-28-2008 11:17 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote Pick 1 He is pulling away from the pack at warp speed. I under rated his enormous potential a few times this year but I bow down to the number 1 pick in this draft by three lengths--MR Derrick Rose

Pick2..---tough tough call. As great a prize Mr beasley is and he sure as heck will be an offensive superstar in the pros----I have to balance the star potential of Beasley with the awesome post presence of Mr Lopez. Sorry Isiah--Channing Frye was a pssy in college and a pssy in the NBA--when you said Duncan lite you were shotting darts with a blindfold---Mr Lopez my friend is the dam closest thing to Duncan anyone as seen since Duncan came out of Wake Forest 11 years ago--winner Lopez l He's not Duncan but he's way to close to pass on at pick 2.

Pick 3. Beasley--who can I compare him to a taller Paul Pierce? Would any Knick fan be disapointed with an offensive superstar---no--we would love him but the name of the game is team ball and to me Mr Beasley does not quite fit the bill for the NY Knicks like Mr Lopez does.

dude, u really gotta learn how to use the quote tags properly, you've been posting here plenty long enough... that's real confusing to read who's saying what when u post it like that.

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At this point, Gallo is playing hurt and is still playing pretty well. Let's have this argument a year from now when we can compare a healthy Gallinari to a healthy Lopez and see. I admit that Lopez is a better player than I realized before the draft, but comparisons at this point are meaningless. You're looking at guy playing his first games after missing half a season due to injury and who's still playing hurt. And you're comparing him to a player who missed no time and who's playing healthy. And you're pretending that this is a fair comparison.
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2/4/2009  6:21 AM
If Lopez turns out to be Kareem it doesn't matter, he isn't on our team. Get over it and move on. The draft cannot be redone. Such babies around here.
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Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.
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I think people have moved on some. There was no discussion of the Artest, or Balkman draft. This pick is going to leave the Knicks with that kind of hangover.
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Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

Bip, Briggs already posted his thoughts on Gallinari based on his SL game. What's the point to ask him again? He has an opinion on the situation and you have yours. Are you saying that you don't like his opinion?
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sorry but Pac10 big man have a long and storied history of being weak NBA players.

Lopez shot 47% in college. A 'dominating' 7 footer shooting 47% in the Pac 10. Sorry but that stinks.

Lopez had a great game against Francisco Elson.

Lopez is so physical and Duncan like he gets to the line 2 times a game.

Lopez's ceiling is probably a lot lower than Camby's. He's got no IQ on offence. He's tall and chucks a lot of balls at the basket and some fall in. He's a good help defender using his length well and he is a very average rebounder for his size.

Galinari was picked because of his ceiling. Athletic guys that are 7 feet and can put the ball on the floor and shoot from anywhere are impact high ceiling players. He's also not soft. He's very aggressive on defense and clearly has an NBA skill set to be a bigtime player. My only concern at this point would be his health.

Lopez isnt bad. He plays on a team with no bigmen at all. Nazr Mohammed at games where he scored 20 and grabbed 20 rebounds. Duncan? Seriously... meds
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sorry but Pac10 big man have a long and storied history of being weak NBA players.

Lopez shot 47% in college. A 'dominating' 7 footer shooting 47% in the Pac 10. Sorry but that stinks.

Lopez had a great game against Francisco Elson.

Lopez is so physical and Duncan like he gets to the line 2 times a game.

Lopez's ceiling is probably a lot lower than Camby's. He's got no IQ on offence. He's tall and chucks a lot of balls at the basket and some fall in. He's a good help defender using his length well and he is a very average rebounder for his size.

Galinari was picked because of his ceiling. Athletic guys that are 7 feet and can put the ball on the floor and shoot from anywhere are impact high ceiling players. He's also not soft. He's very aggressive on defense and clearly has an NBA skill set to be a bigtime player. My only concern at this point would be his health.

Lopez isnt bad. He plays on a team with no bigmen at all. Nazr Mohammed at games where he scored 20 and grabbed 20 rebounds. Duncan? Seriously... meds

When did Gallinari morph into 7 feet?
Right now with his minutes he is averaging 6 points, 2 rebounds, .8 stls, .8 assists and .30 blocks with 13 minutes. What stat jumps off the board at you right now to make this a no brainer over Lopez. Get healthy? Will this be the mantra for his career? Well you know if he was healthy all those years he would be in Kobe's class? Meds indeed.
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I'm willing to wait and see what happens with Gallo. Maybe the knicks strength and conditioning guys busted his back up.

But- I've made this argument before, but the knicks, given the amount of money we waste on players like Jerome & Eddy Curry, should have the best and largest scouting operation in the league.
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Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

Bip, Briggs already posted his thoughts on Gallinari based on his SL game. What's the point to ask him again? He has an opinion on the situation and you have yours. Are you saying that you don't like his opinion?

Couple things:
1.) If I had a problem with Brigg's opinion why would I ask him for his opinion?
2.) I've heard him say that he wanted Randolph, Lopez etc over Gallinari. That's all I know of his opinion. I was wondering how he would break down his skills. Briggs does a good job of breaking down other players, so again, this is why I asked
3.) Summer league was a long time ago, I was curious about his thoughts now. Good and bad
4.) I'm willing to bet that if we both broke down Gallinari separately, our opinions would be pretty close, and if they weren't we would not have a problem with each other. I tend to handle differences in opinion differently than you do.
5.) I was looking for more than just "we should have drafted that guy" or "he is a bust" from anyone that discusses a player. I was looking for more thoughtful analysis, which in my view Briggs is definitely very good at.
6.) Thanks for injecting yourself into my attempted conversation with Briggs
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Posted by Bippity10:

Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

My question in this thread--who are the guys responsible for taking Gallinari over Lopez--is it the same guy who took Frye over Bynum? Whoever it is does not know how to put a winning basketball team together and should be out. I would like one of the news reporters to get his head out of his arse--leave Stephon Marbury alone and go get this story----tell me who exactly was the main guy who found and suggested Gallinari.

This is not a Gallinari scks thread--I never said that--I contend that we don't need him--we didnt need him--he's a 3 and we have plenty of them and we can get more of them easily. We always needed a C we' still need a C and until we get a quality C we will not compete with the good teams. If you had put Lopez with Lee you wouldve had something. If you put Koufus with Lee you would have something. If you put Mcgee with Lee you would have something[maybe longer than the other guys but he will be very good] we had a chance to get a quality big and we passed AGAIN. We do NOT know how to put a team together and the talent evaluation is not there.
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I'm willing to wait and see what happens with Gallo. Maybe the knicks strength and conditioning guys busted his back up.

But- I've made this argument before, but the knicks, given the amount of money we waste on players like Jerome & Eddy Curry, should have the best and largest scouting operation in the league.

Yeah, D'Antoni thrashed that "Knick's fault" theory about the bad back when he took a shot at Gallinari's skinny frame. I have to say it doesn't look like he was bulking up much but who knows. But what is this with the Gallo fanbase trying to tear down other rookies in order to build Gallinari is what is getting to me. Lopez is being celebrated for have an impact rookie season and you now have people saying well he isn't special enough. For crying out loud, who cares about that type of crap if you are producing all across the board with impressive stats. Is Lopez suppose to apologize for putting up stats against certain teams but only Gallinari can be celebrated for putting up lesser stats agaisnt even weaker competition. What's going on here?
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Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

Bip, Briggs already posted his thoughts on Gallinari based on his SL game. What's the point to ask him again? He has an opinion on the situation and you have yours. Are you saying that you don't like his opinion?

Couple things:
1.) If I had a problem with Brigg's opinion why would I ask him for his opinion?
2.) I've heard him say that he wanted Randolph, Lopez etc over Gallinari. That's all I know of his opinion. I was wondering how he would break down his skills. Briggs does a good job of breaking down other players, so again, this is why I asked
3.) Summer league was a long time ago, I was curious about his thoughts now. Good and bad
4.) I'm willing to bet that if we both broke down Gallinari separately, our opinions would be pretty close, and if they weren't we would not have a problem with each other. I tend to handle differences in opinion differently than you do.
5.) I was looking for more than just "we should have drafted that guy" or "he is a bust" from anyone that discusses a player. I was looking for more thoughtful analysis, which in my view Briggs is definitely very good at.
6.) Thanks for injecting yourself into my attempted conversation with Briggs

The guy started a topic that says "Is there even one person who works for the Knicks in the scouting dept that didn't have Lopez ahead of Gallinari" What type of opinion you think he has on him over Lopez?
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2/4/2009  9:21 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

My question in this thread--who are the guys responsible for taking Gallinari over Lopez--is it the same guy who took Frye over Bynum? Whoever it is does not know how to put a winning basketball team together and should be out. I would like one of the news reporters to get his head out of his arse--leave Stephon Marbury alone and go get this story----tell me who exactly was the main guy who found and suggested Gallinari.

This is not a Gallinari scks thread--I never said that--I contend that we don't need him--we didnt need him--he's a 3 and we have plenty of them and we can get more of them easily. We always needed a C we' still need a C and until we get a quality C we will not compete with the good teams. If you had put Lopez with Lee you wouldve had something. If you put Koufus with Lee you would have something. If you put Mcgee with Lee you would have something[maybe longer than the other guys but he will be very good] we had a chance to get a quality big and we passed AGAIN. We do NOT know how to put a team together and the talent evaluation is not there.

Briggs, I don't think you intended this to be a "Gallinari sucks" thread. I understand your question and point completely. If you were drafting you would have selected differently. I'm okay with that. I agree, we do need a big man. But when you start combining your thread titles all you see is "we should have drafted this guy and that guy", "Gallinari's back is damaged", "he has bad posture" etc. After a while the combination becomes one constant message from you that people are already aware of. Again, nothing wrong with any of your opinions, they may all come true, just curious how many different ways you are going to say it.

Listen, Gallinari wasn't my first choice either. I wanted Randolph, Lopez, Gordon or Alexander. But we did not select them, we selected Gallinari. Maybe this isn't the thread for it, but I sometimes become curious how guys actually would break down a player's skills once they put their personal agenda's aside. Something more than "he sucks" or "he is a bust" or "he is Larry Bird jr". You tend to be pretty good at breaking players down, so I thought I'd try you first.
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2/4/2009  9:24 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Posted by Bippity10:

Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

Bip, Briggs already posted his thoughts on Gallinari based on his SL game. What's the point to ask him again? He has an opinion on the situation and you have yours. Are you saying that you don't like his opinion?

Couple things:
1.) If I had a problem with Brigg's opinion why would I ask him for his opinion?
2.) I've heard him say that he wanted Randolph, Lopez etc over Gallinari. That's all I know of his opinion. I was wondering how he would break down his skills. Briggs does a good job of breaking down other players, so again, this is why I asked
3.) Summer league was a long time ago, I was curious about his thoughts now. Good and bad
4.) I'm willing to bet that if we both broke down Gallinari separately, our opinions would be pretty close, and if they weren't we would not have a problem with each other. I tend to handle differences in opinion differently than you do.
5.) I was looking for more than just "we should have drafted that guy" or "he is a bust" from anyone that discusses a player. I was looking for more thoughtful analysis, which in my view Briggs is definitely very good at.
6.) Thanks for injecting yourself into my attempted conversation with Briggs

The guy started a topic that says "Is there even one person who works for the Knicks in the scouting dept that didn't have Lopez ahead of Gallinari" What type of opinion you think he has on him over Lopez?

Once again, Pharzeone we all know Brigg's opinion. I asked for him to break down his skills. Is that okay? Should I run my questions by you before I ask? Later on I want to ask Allanfan how things are going for him? Is that okay for me to ask? Just let me know so I can proceed
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2/4/2009  9:26 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

Bip, Briggs already posted his thoughts on Gallinari based on his SL game. What's the point to ask him again? He has an opinion on the situation and you have yours. Are you saying that you don't like his opinion?

Couple things:
1.) If I had a problem with Brigg's opinion why would I ask him for his opinion?
2.) I've heard him say that he wanted Randolph, Lopez etc over Gallinari. That's all I know of his opinion. I was wondering how he would break down his skills. Briggs does a good job of breaking down other players, so again, this is why I asked
3.) Summer league was a long time ago, I was curious about his thoughts now. Good and bad
4.) I'm willing to bet that if we both broke down Gallinari separately, our opinions would be pretty close, and if they weren't we would not have a problem with each other. I tend to handle differences in opinion differently than you do.
5.) I was looking for more than just "we should have drafted that guy" or "he is a bust" from anyone that discusses a player. I was looking for more thoughtful analysis, which in my view Briggs is definitely very good at.
6.) Thanks for injecting yourself into my attempted conversation with Briggs

The guy started a topic that says "Is there even one person who works for the Knicks in the scouting dept that didn't have Lopez ahead of Gallinari" What type of opinion you think he has on him over Lopez?

Once again, Pharzeone we all know Brigg's opinion. I asked for him to break down his skills. Is that okay? Should I run my questions by you before I ask? Later on I want to ask Allanfan how things are going for him? Is that okay for me to ask? Just let me know so I can proceed

No it isn't. Who cares about Allanfan anyway. I want you to discuss on why you think Larry should win coach of the year. You may proceed.
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