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BRIGGS
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3/14/2008  2:19 AM
1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan

Not that far off from two months ago

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-22-2008 12:08 AM]
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3/14/2008  9:00 AM
Now Thabeet falls to 12? Didn't you say he'd definitely go top 5, maybe #3?
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3/14/2008  9:45 AM
Pat riley is scouting Anthony Randolph..............
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3/14/2008  10:15 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan

Briggs, thanks for posting these updates. What are the criteria you use to order the picks in your mock drafts? And how are these in contrast to the ones you use when speculating about who the Knicks, in particular, should pick?

Having watched these players as much as you have, why is it that there still so much weekly fluctuation on the draft board? - is an extra game or 2 per player enough to radically shuffle the line-up?
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3/14/2008  10:33 AM
Posted by Panos:

Now Thabeet falls to 12? Didn't you say he'd definitely go top 5, maybe #3?

The most talented players aren't always drafted first epecially when you have a team drafting for need which is what the Knicks would do if they draft Thabeet.
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BRIGGS
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3/14/2008  10:34 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan

Briggs, thanks for posting these updates. What are the criteria you use to order the picks in your mock drafts? And how are these in contrast to the ones you use when speculating about who the Knicks, in particular, should pick?

Having watched these players as much as you have, why is it that there still so much weekly fluctuation on the draft board? - is an extra game or 2 per player enough to radically shuffle the line-up?

It's a fluid process imho. If you look at the major draft sites--they tend to have rather large changes week to week. Players blow up i.e Joe Alexander Anthony Randoplh and players fly way under the radar i.e Javale Mcgeee just because you don't get a chance to see them. Others like Eric Gordon s who have been high all year get exposed as in mho he is in love with the 3 point shot is to small to play NBA 2 guard shows no PG skills plays poor defense and has become an erraatic % shooter. If he shot the ball at 50% or better in Big Ten play--then we can talk--I think he was in the high 30's.
Guys LIke Jordan and Thabeet while I believe they have huge ceilings--when I get down to true realism have to be slightly punished for not being complete products yet no matter what I have said in the past--that is the true way to list players. I think OJ Mayo has over taken Derrick Rose just slightly.
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3/14/2008  10:35 AM
OJ Mayo should be around 5 or 6 and Rose might not even be available.
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3/14/2008  10:51 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan


This is a talented bunch but you have excluded a few guys from your list. Despite his size, Eric Gordon is a top fifteen talent and should be included in this list.

Russel Wetsbrook is a tremendous athlete and definitely be top 5 if he comes out next year. Joe Alexander has had a tremndous two day stretch, one of the best ever in in Big East play, but I like to see him come back next year, make first all big east and perhaps 1st or 2nd team all american before I'm completely sold. How many times have we seen players have a great 2-3 game stretch in the tournament and have thier stock rise, only to faulter on the next level?

DJ Augustine is another player that could be included in top fifteen just on the stregnth of bieng the purest pg in this draft.
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3/14/2008  10:53 AM
1) Miami Heat: Michael Beasley (PF 6-9 235 Kansas State)

2) Minnesota Timberwolves: Derrick Rose (PG 6-4 195 Memphis)

3) Memphis Grizzlies: Brook Lopez (C 7-0 245 Stanford)

4) Seattle Sonics: Jerryd Bayless (PG 6-3 190 Arizona)

5) New York Knicks: DeAndre Jordan (C 7-0 240 Texas A&M)

6) Los Angeles Clippers: Eric Gordon (SG 6-5 205 Indiana)

7) Milwaukee Bucks: Kevin Love (PF/C 6-9 260 UCLA)

8) Charlotte Bobcats: O.J. Mayo (G 6-4 195 USC)

9) Indiana Pacers: D.J. Augustin (PG 5-11 180 Texas)

10) Atlanta Hawks: Anthony Randolph (F 6-11 215 LSU)

11) Chicago Bulls: Danilo Gallinari (SF 6-9 210 Italy)

12) New Jersey Nets: Blake Griffin (PF 6-10 240 Oklahoma)

13) Sacramento Kings: Tyler Hansbrough (PF 6-9 230 North Carolina)

14) Philadelphia 76ers: Russell Westbrook (PG 6-3 190 UCLA)

15) Washington Wizards: Roy Hibbert (C 7-2 265 Georgetown)

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3/14/2008  11:32 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan


This is a talented bunch but you have excluded a few guys from your list. Despite his size, Eric Gordon is a top fifteen talent and should be included in this list.

Russel Wetsbrook is a tremendous athlete and definitely be top 5 if he comes out next year. Joe Alexander has had a tremndous two day stretch, one of the best ever in in Big East play, but I like to see him come back next year, make first all big east and perhaps 1st or 2nd team all american before I'm completely sold. How many times have we seen players have a great 2-3 game stretch in the tournament and have thier stock rise, only to faulter on the next level?

DJ Augustine is another player that could be included in top fifteen just on the stregnth of bieng the purest pg in this draft.

Except for putting Lopez higher--I think Im pretty much set
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3/14/2008  12:01 PM
Russell Westbrook will be top 10 before the end. And I think the Knicks should take a flier on him even at #5.
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BRIGGS
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3/14/2008  12:28 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan


This is a talented bunch but you have excluded a few guys from your list. Despite his size, Eric Gordon is a top fifteen talent and should be included in this list.

Russel Wetsbrook is a tremendous athlete and definitely be top 5 if he comes out next year. Joe Alexander has had a tremndous two day stretch, one of the best ever in in Big East play, but I like to see him come back next year, make first all big east and perhaps 1st or 2nd team all american before I'm completely sold. How many times have we seen players have a great 2-3 game stretch in the tournament and have thier stock rise, only to faulter on the next level?

DJ Augustine is another player that could be included in top fifteen just on the stregnth of bieng the purest pg in this draft.

Joe Alexander was already a first round talent no matter when he came out. The fact that he has elevated his game to the point where you can actually see his *upside potential actually shows itself in a period over several games puts him in the top 10 class. I haven't seen a player with a better mid range game this year have you? He's showing you the athleticism but he's showing you in a way where he is using it to execute and dominate other teams right now. Is Eric Gordon showing us he can dominate other teams using his own physical attributes? I mean Bobby Knight just said that Joe Alexander was playing the best basketball out of ANYONE in the country--his game has moved up a notch and you take that into account. The only skill set he hasn't shown is the long range shot but he has the form. He can handle well for a 6-8 player--he uses his athletic ability to either explode at the hoop or use it to fade away to use that lethal mid range touch--he uses his handle to get to the basket--he's strong physical good rebounder has upper tier NBA athletic ability--he's a top 10 pick this year. I don't see Michael Westbrook coming out but I would DEFINTELY take Alexander[a player of need position as well] before I took a smallish SG. For every Monta Ellis there are 3 Fred Jones's
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3/14/2008  1:09 PM
One extremely underrated player in this draft is Shan Foster from Vanderbilt. This kid can shoot and is clutch.
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3/14/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan


This is a talented bunch but you have excluded a few guys from your list. Despite his size, Eric Gordon is a top fifteen talent and should be included in this list.

Russel Wetsbrook is a tremendous athlete and definitely be top 5 if he comes out next year. Joe Alexander has had a tremndous two day stretch, one of the best ever in in Big East play, but I like to see him come back next year, make first all big east and perhaps 1st or 2nd team all american before I'm completely sold. How many times have we seen players have a great 2-3 game stretch in the tournament and have thier stock rise, only to faulter on the next level?

DJ Augustine is another player that could be included in top fifteen just on the stregnth of bieng the purest pg in this draft.

Joe Alexander was already a first round talent no matter when he came out. The fact that he has elevated his game to the point where you can actually see his *upside potential actually shows itself in a period over several games puts him in the top 10 class. I haven't seen a player with a better mid range game this year have you? He's showing you the athleticism but he's showing you in a way where he is using it to execute and dominate other teams right now. Is Eric Gordon showing us he can dominate other teams using his own physical attributes? I mean Bobby Knight just said that Joe Alexander was playing the best basketball out of ANYONE in the country--his game has moved up a notch and you take that into account. The only skill set he hasn't shown is the long range shot but he has the form. He can handle well for a 6-8 player--he uses his athletic ability to either explode at the hoop or use it to fade away to use that lethal mid range touch--he uses his handle to get to the basket--he's strong physical good rebounder has upper tier NBA athletic ability--he's a top 10 pick this year. I don't see Michael Westbrook coming out but I would DEFINTELY take Alexander[a player of need position as well] before I took a smallish SG. For every Monta Ellis there are 3 Fred Jones's

Russel Westbrook's ceiling is more Dwayne Wade than Monta Ellis in my estimation.
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3/14/2008  2:01 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan


This is a talented bunch but you have excluded a few guys from your list. Despite his size, Eric Gordon is a top fifteen talent and should be included in this list.

Russel Wetsbrook is a tremendous athlete and definitely be top 5 if he comes out next year. Joe Alexander has had a tremndous two day stretch, one of the best ever in in Big East play, but I like to see him come back next year, make first all big east and perhaps 1st or 2nd team all american before I'm completely sold. How many times have we seen players have a great 2-3 game stretch in the tournament and have thier stock rise, only to faulter on the next level?

DJ Augustine is another player that could be included in top fifteen just on the stregnth of bieng the purest pg in this draft.

Joe Alexander was already a first round talent no matter when he came out. The fact that he has elevated his game to the point where you can actually see his *upside potential actually shows itself in a period over several games puts him in the top 10 class. I haven't seen a player with a better mid range game this year have you? He's showing you the athleticism but he's showing you in a way where he is using it to execute and dominate other teams right now. Is Eric Gordon showing us he can dominate other teams using his own physical attributes? I mean Bobby Knight just said that Joe Alexander was playing the best basketball out of ANYONE in the country--his game has moved up a notch and you take that into account. The only skill set he hasn't shown is the long range shot but he has the form. He can handle well for a 6-8 player--he uses his athletic ability to either explode at the hoop or use it to fade away to use that lethal mid range touch--he uses his handle to get to the basket--he's strong physical good rebounder has upper tier NBA athletic ability--he's a top 10 pick this year. I don't see Michael Westbrook coming out but I would DEFINTELY take Alexander[a player of need position as well] before I took a smallish SG. For every Monta Ellis there are 3 Fred Jones's

Russel Westbrook's ceiling is more Dwayne Wade than Monta Ellis in my estimation.

Monta Ellis is one helluva basketball player--their frames are quite similar. It would be *very* difficult for an undersized combo guard who is 30 pounds of pure muscle lighter than Dwayne to do what he does. Dwayne averaged 7 rebounds a game at the same age and that carried over to the nba because of strength.
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3/14/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan


This is a talented bunch but you have excluded a few guys from your list. Despite his size, Eric Gordon is a top fifteen talent and should be included in this list.

Russel Wetsbrook is a tremendous athlete and definitely be top 5 if he comes out next year. Joe Alexander has had a tremndous two day stretch, one of the best ever in in Big East play, but I like to see him come back next year, make first all big east and perhaps 1st or 2nd team all american before I'm completely sold. How many times have we seen players have a great 2-3 game stretch in the tournament and have thier stock rise, only to faulter on the next level?

DJ Augustine is another player that could be included in top fifteen just on the stregnth of bieng the purest pg in this draft.

Joe Alexander was already a first round talent no matter when he came out. The fact that he has elevated his game to the point where you can actually see his *upside potential actually shows itself in a period over several games puts him in the top 10 class. I haven't seen a player with a better mid range game this year have you? He's showing you the athleticism but he's showing you in a way where he is using it to execute and dominate other teams right now. Is Eric Gordon showing us he can dominate other teams using his own physical attributes? I mean Bobby Knight just said that Joe Alexander was playing the best basketball out of ANYONE in the country--his game has moved up a notch and you take that into account. The only skill set he hasn't shown is the long range shot but he has the form. He can handle well for a 6-8 player--he uses his athletic ability to either explode at the hoop or use it to fade away to use that lethal mid range touch--he uses his handle to get to the basket--he's strong physical good rebounder has upper tier NBA athletic ability--he's a top 10 pick this year. I don't see Michael Westbrook coming out but I would DEFINTELY take Alexander[a player of need position as well] before I took a smallish SG. For every Monta Ellis there are 3 Fred Jones's

Russel Westbrook's ceiling is more Dwayne Wade than Monta Ellis in my estimation.

Monta Ellis is one helluva basketball player--their frames are quite similar. It would be *very* difficult for an undersized combo guard who is 30 pounds of pure muscle lighter than Dwayne to do what he does. Dwayne averaged 7 rebounds a game at the same age and that carried over to the nba because of strength.

Sure, Monta is excellent. I think Russell is even quicker off the dribble and, at 19, I think he's got some scope for improvement in the weight area.

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3/16/2008  9:53 PM
If our pick falls, more in the 5-8 range, I really like Westbrook. I think if he puts together a good tournament, he will enter the draft.

What I like most about him is the significant improvement in his game since I have started watching him play. Last year, he was pretty skinny, and he put on weight in the offseason. I don't think he has a frame of a guy like mayo to put on muscle, but he definetely will put more on.

[Related]-I also really like his attitude. This is a guy who will work each season to improve his game. When recruited to ucla, he wasn't a big deal. Perhaps because he grew late in high school or whatever, but the guy has the right attitude. I've had the chance to personally talk to the kid, and he is really humble. And, I want to point out the kid isn't nice/soft like Frye/Crawford. He just has a nice way about him, but he is a tough kid. The kid is just looking for ways to improve. His jump shot isn't amazing now, but it will be much better next year. He is just going to keep getting better. And, coming from UCLA it is reinforced to be a team oriented player.

Plus, his defense is really strong, and the fact that he has really nice length at 6'4 helps.
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5/22/2008  12:12 AM
Not that far off from 2 months ago
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5/22/2008  12:39 AM
lol, except your boy, Thabeet, isn't in the draft.
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5/22/2008  2:48 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

1 Michael Beasley
2 OJ Mayo
3 Derrick Rose
4 JaVale McGee
5 Blake Griffin
6 Anthony Randolph
7 Joe Alexander
8 Chris Douglas Roberts
9 Marreese Speights
10 Jerryd Bayless
11 Darrell Arthur
12 Hasheem Thabeet
13 Brook Lopez
14 Jason Thompson
15 Deandre Jordan

Not that far off from two months ago

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-22-2008 12:08 AM]
notice the date marked above... highly suspect... lol.
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