Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:
Papabear Says

What I ment was that I would not get into any racial things or calling someone names besides haters.

And since you've already declared that "anyone who doesn't support Zeke and Marbs are racists," we know when you call someone a hater you mean they're racist.

Papabear Says

I won't go there!! By the way, haters come in colors it's not racial to be a hater. It's just stupid.

Papabear

You've grown Papa, I'm proud. But don't think I didn't see you starting to hate a couple of games back.

Papabear Says

I get upset even mad at some games we loose but thats it. Haters can be very dangerous. I remember a few years back team players were killed by a bunch of haters. Man it's just a basketball game and weather they win or loose they get paid crazy money so why should I go crazy being a hater when it's just a sports game to enjoy. Man loosen up some.

Papabear

You're the one who needs to lighten up. Most of us haters are cracking up most of the time, then you tell us we enjoy seeing the team lose.

You said a mouthful here that's exactly what I do when he post. He's just a sideshow to me. Skits, Gimmicks, Trolls can't be taken seriously.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by majorleads:

I always thought the haters were the lovers and lovers are the haters. Haters hate winning, those are the ones who support Team Titanic captained by Zeke. We're the lovers. We love winning. Somewhere along the voyage to the bottom of the sea, Captain Zeke has managed to convince his lowly deckhands that it's not about winning, it's about how you score the ball.

The song remains the same. New season, same story. Zeke adds another overrated bloated loser with inflated stats, who plays no defense and has a fat contract.

Eh gad, what a mess.

Welcome to the Hater club. You are a realist.

Uh no, I am a lover. Papabear is the hater. He hates winning. Why does Papabear hate winning?

You got the definitions backwards. The ones complaining about Knick management are being called haters. We are realist in fact, so Haters = Realists and Lovers = Foolishness. I love the Knicks for what they could' be, not what they are right now.

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-28-2007 6:53 PM]

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by 4949:

Dolan was accused of firing her during the investigation, not of calling her a "black, bitch 'ho."

Your not putting words into my mouth, are you?

Dude, you're adding nothing to the conversation, give it a rest.

I was being half serious. Don't take it serious. What exactly is 'adding the to conversation' in your view. That I agree with this guy? This guy goes out and insults some of us and then threatens 'be careful'? And then we're not supposed to say anything. Why don't you' add something to the conversation. Something logical. I'm 100% hater, I love the Knicks and I don't like what this chicago punk is doing to our team. He deserves to burn.

What I was discussing was Isiah's deposition tapes, and his attempts to explain how they were taken out of context. I was discussing where I found his explanations around race lacking in a gender harassment suit. The "crime" I was referring to was him allegedly calling Anucha a "black, bitch 'ho". I said it was him who was accused, not a white man, so there was no need for him to compare it to a white man doing the same. You then bring up Dolan being white. So I explained that Dolan was not accused of calling Anucha a "black, bitch, 'ho."

You're getting yourself confused, you're unsure if you agree with me or not, you're bringing up less than relevant issues, and diluting whatever poignancy my post might have had. I don't have the energy to keep you on track. Go confuse Papabear.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by majorleads:

I always thought the haters were the lovers and lovers are the haters. Haters hate winning, those are the ones who support Team Titanic captained by Zeke. We're the lovers. We love winning. Somewhere along the voyage to the bottom of the sea, Captain Zeke has managed to convince his lowly deckhands that it's not about winning, it's about how you score the ball.

The song remains the same. New season, same story. Zeke adds another overrated bloated loser with inflated stats, who plays no defense and has a fat contract.

Eh gad, what a mess.

Welcome to the Hater club. You are a realist.

Uh no, I am a lover. Papabear is the hater. He hates winning. Why does Papabear hate winning?

You got the definitions backwards. The ones complaining about Knick management are being called haters. We are realist in fact, so Haters = Realists and Lovers = Foolishness. I love the Knicks for what they could' be, not what they are right now.

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-28-2007 6:53 PM]

LOL
I think this is what love is.
People we love are never what we want them to be, so we love what they could' be...

Same with the Knicks.
Papa likes Zeke and Marbs for what they could' be so live him alone.
Russians say: "Love is angry; you can fall in love with the goat"
So let’s papa have love with his goats.

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-28-2007 7:11 PM]

Posted by 4949:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:
Papabear Says

What I ment was that I would not get into any racial things or calling someone names besides haters.

And since you've already declared that "anyone who doesn't support Zeke and Marbs are racists," we know when you call someone a hater you mean they're racist.

Papabear Says

I won't go there!! By the way, haters come in colors it's not racial to be a hater. It's just stupid.

Papabear

You've grown Papa, I'm proud. But don't think I didn't see you starting to hate a couple of games back.

Papabear Says

I get upset even mad at some games we loose but thats it. Haters can be very dangerous. I remember a few years back team players were killed by a bunch of haters. Man it's just a basketball game and weather they win or loose they get paid crazy money so why should I go crazy being a hater when it's just a sports game to enjoy. Man loosen up some.

Papabear

You're the one who needs to lighten up. Most of us haters are cracking up most of the time, then you tell us we enjoy seeing the team lose.

You said a mouthful here that's exactly what I do when he post. He's just a sideshow to me. Skits, Gimmicks, Trolls can't be taken seriously.

Actually 'he lost it'.

Who lost it?

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by 4949:

Dolan was accused of firing her during the investigation, not of calling her a "black, bitch 'ho."

Your not putting words into my mouth, are you?

Dude, you're adding nothing to the conversation, give it a rest.

I was being half serious. Don't take it serious. What exactly is 'adding the to conversation' in your view. That I agree with this guy? This guy goes out and insults some of us and then threatens 'be careful'? And then we're not supposed to say anything. Why don't you' add something to the conversation. Something logical. I'm 100% hater, I love the Knicks and I don't like what this chicago punk is doing to our team. He deserves to burn.

What I was discussing was Isiah's deposition tapes, and his attempts to explain how they were taken out of context. I was discussing where I found his explanations around race lacking in a gender harassment suit. The "crime" I was referring to was him allegedly calling Anucha a "black, bitch 'ho". I said it was him who was accused, not a white man, so there was no need for him to compare it to a white man doing the same. You then bring up Dolan being white. So I explained that Dolan was not accused of calling Anucha a "black, bitch, 'ho."

You're getting yourself confused, you're unsure if you agree with me or not, you're bringing up less than relevant issues, and diluting whatever poignancy my post might have had. I don't have the energy to keep you on track. Go confuse Papabear.

Why don't you let me tell you if I'm confussed or not. I never made reference to what was said to Anucha. I was referring to what someone said about a black woman taking down a black man and how the person said 'it wasn't a white man, when it was a white man who fired her for complaining. He's just as guilty as Isiah. That's all I was referring to. I wasn't saying that Dolan or any other white man said what was said to her. Cool?

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by 4949:

Dolan was accused of firing her during the investigation, not of calling her a "black, bitch 'ho."

Your not putting words into my mouth, are you?

Dude, you're adding nothing to the conversation, give it a rest.

I was being half serious. Don't take it serious. What exactly is 'adding the to conversation' in your view. That I agree with this guy? This guy goes out and insults some of us and then threatens 'be careful'? And then we're not supposed to say anything. Why don't you' add something to the conversation. Something logical. I'm 100% hater, I love the Knicks and I don't like what this chicago punk is doing to our team. He deserves to burn.

What I was discussing was Isiah's deposition tapes, and his attempts to explain how they were taken out of context. I was discussing where I found his explanations around race lacking in a gender harassment suit. The "crime" I was referring to was him allegedly calling Anucha a "black, bitch 'ho". I said it was him who was accused, not a white man, so there was no need for him to compare it to a white man doing the same. You then bring up Dolan being white. So I explained that Dolan was not accused of calling Anucha a "black, bitch, 'ho."

You're getting yourself confused, you're unsure if you agree with me or not, you're bringing up less than relevant issues, and diluting whatever poignancy my post might have had. I don't have the energy to keep you on track. Go confuse Papabear.

Why don't you let me tell you if I'm confussed or not. I never made reference to what was said to Anucha. I was referring to what someone said about a black woman taking down a black man and how the person said 'it wasn't a white man, when it was a white man who fired her for complaining. He's just as guilty as Isiah. That's all I was referring to. I wasn't saying that Dolan or any other white man said what was said to her. Cool?

Cool man, cool.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:
Papabear Says

What I ment was that I would not get into any racial things or calling someone names besides haters.

And since you've already declared that "anyone who doesn't support Zeke and Marbs are racists," we know when you call someone a hater you mean they're racist.

Well the only reason why IMO people still support Isiah is the color of his skin. Papabear must be a person of color, therefore he feels it is his duty to support Zeke no matter what.

Yeah I felt the same way about Larry Brown and the support he got and still gets.

Right, just like everyone loved Layden.

It's not like Brown's championships in two leagues and winning record at every club he ever coached had anything at all to do with it...

He didn't have a winning record here and didn't bring a championship here, he added craziness and confusion to an already crazy and confused situation, and he added a healthy dose of immaturity as well and hes like 90. I was elated that he came here, I soured on him after the things he said and did. A good track record isnt powerful enough to make me stupid.

Posted by Nalod:

Regarding race: Isiah and Dolan, ebony and Ivory both suck. Dolans ignorance and Isiahs Arrogance knows no racial bias. both suck.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by BlueSeats:


And being more offended when a white calls a black woman a bitch, I believe, is a function of his own racial bias.

No its actually a function of social and historical context. White people and black people have a long history around behavior and language that isn't pleasant. We are really only 1 generation removed from being lynched, castrated, called boy, nigger, black bitch, not being able to vote, etc. My father grew up in that era. In fact, when you said I 'speak of myself as black' because i am light skinned side and you assumed that i was mixed, its actually relevant to this discusssion (and a source of great laughter to my mom and I, its now an ongoing joke). I'm not mixed. both parents and all 4 grands are black. However, I wouldnt in the least bit be surprised if somewhere down the line a femal ancestor of mine was raped by a white man somewhere and thats what accounts for my light skin. There was a time not so long ago, when it wasnt really all that unusual.

So put into a historical context, it makes perfect sense to me and millions of other black people why the comments would be offensive coming from anyone but more offensive from a white person. The presumption is that we are dealing with racism + sexism as opposed to just racism. Does not that compound the situation?

You tell me, am I supposed to be more offended if a black woman calls me a pr!ck than a white woman doing the same?

Or when a black woman does it am I supposed to feel racially offended?

Would you let black history excuse Isiah if he raped her?


[Edited by - blueseats on 10-28-2007 9:28 PM]

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by BlueSeats:


And being more offended when a white calls a black woman a bitch, I believe, is a function of his own racial bias.

No its actually a function of social and historical context. White people and black people have a long history around behavior and language that isn't pleasant. We are really only 1 generation removed from being lynched, castrated, called boy, nigger, black bitch, not being able to vote, etc. My father grew up in that era. In fact, when you said I 'speak of myself as black' because i am light skinned side and you assumed that i was mixed, its actually relevant to this discusssion (and a source of great laughter to my mom and I, its now an ongoing joke). I'm not mixed. both parents and all 4 grands are black. However, I wouldnt in the least bit be surprised if somewhere down the line a femal ancestor of mine was raped by a white man somewhere and thats what accounts for my light skin. There was a time not so long ago, when it wasnt really all that unusual.

So put into a historical context, it makes perfect sense to me and millions of other black people why the comments would be offensive coming from anyone but more offensive from a white person. The presumption is that we are dealing with racism + sexism as opposed to just racism. Does not that compound the situation?

You tell me, am I supposed to be more offended if a black woman calls me a pr!ck than a white woman doing the same?

Or when a black woman does it am I supposed to feel racially offended?

Would you let black history excuse Isiah if he raped her?


[Edited by - blueseats on 10-28-2007 9:28 PM]

1. I am not excusing Isiah of anything, if he called her a bitch, its reprehensible, unprofessional, inappropriate, period.

And you miss the point entirely, do black woman have a history of oppressing white men, calling them monkeys, trying to prove they are less than human, less inteligent, hypersexual rapists? NO. However, white people have a long painful history of doing that to black people and an example just popped up a week or 2 ago here: http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece
So there is no history that would make you more offended, but there is too much history the other way around.