Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

that maybe true for people like us, who follow the team every hour of the day, but for the casual fan, this is basically a update.

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

Simple question - How do we know ESPN has an anti-Knick basis?

Anyone who has been overly critical of/pessimistic towards the Knicks has overwhelmingly been right to be so.

EVERY off-season the media is down on the Knicks and fans think they're just "dumping" on the Knicks. Then the season starts and it turns out what they predicted comes true.

How can you be "anti" and correct at the same time?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

Simple question - How do we know ESPN has an anti-Knick basis?

Anyone who has been overly critical of/pessimistic towards the Knicks has overwhelmingly been right to be so.

EVERY off-season the media is down on the Knicks and fans think they're just "dumping" on the Knicks. Then the season starts and it turns out what they predicted comes true.

How can you be "anti" and correct at the same time?

Those are great questions. ESPN could be anti-Knicks but it's almost impossible to verify that idea in an environment where the Knicks have .400 teams.
The only way I could think of would be to check if ESPN has been consistently critical of the rare good things we have (like Willy and KP). I do not think they have been.

It seems to me the argument is it has been more fair, more unbiased to be more optimistic, less critical, or at least more open-minded about the Knicks in general and their offseason specifically, and even though it proved wrong to be so consistently, that was still the fair-minded approach.

That's some very selective reasoning.

It may simply be the people who HATED the Noah and Rose transactions, who didn't think Lee was going to move the needle, who didn't like their bench going into the season, were simply right all along.

This is a product of living in a post-facts world.

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

Simple question - How do we know ESPN has an anti-Knick basis?

Anyone who has been overly critical of/pessimistic towards the Knicks has overwhelmingly been right to be so.

EVERY off-season the media is down on the Knicks and fans think they're just "dumping" on the Knicks. Then the season starts and it turns out what they predicted comes true.

How can you be "anti" and correct at the same time?

How about we start with the ESPYs?

If you like.

What does that mean?

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

Simple question - How do we know ESPN has an anti-Knick basis?

Anyone who has been overly critical of/pessimistic towards the Knicks has overwhelmingly been right to be so.

EVERY off-season the media is down on the Knicks and fans think they're just "dumping" on the Knicks. Then the season starts and it turns out what they predicted comes true.

How can you be "anti" and correct at the same time?

How about we start with the ESPYs?

If you like.

What does that mean?

It means that ESPN has an anti-Knick bias.

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

Simple question - How do we know ESPN has an anti-Knick basis?

Anyone who has been overly critical of/pessimistic towards the Knicks has overwhelmingly been right to be so.

EVERY off-season the media is down on the Knicks and fans think they're just "dumping" on the Knicks. Then the season starts and it turns out what they predicted comes true.

How can you be "anti" and correct at the same time?

How about we start with the ESPYs?

If you like.

What does that mean?

It means that ESPN has an anti-Knick bias.

Okay, when have they been wrong to be anti-Knicks?

37, 17, 31, 32 wins.

4 winning seasons since 2000, 1 postseason series win and 7 individual postseason game wins in a league in which more than half the league qualify for the postseason. Nw coach every 2 years or so, new president/GM every every 3-4 years. For years had consistently one of the highest payrolls in the league despite a lack of success.

The "anti"-approach seems objectively to be the consistently accurate approach.

Right?

Like me say you suck. Because. Well you have have sucked in the past, so its fair.

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:total bull****, and the its regurgitated bull****, the worst kind.

This has literally become cliches of bad reporting: "Ntilikina was a triangle pick"

5 B's
3 C's
3 D's
3 F's

Who cares. Its ESPN. They mocked the Knicks at the ESPYs.

ESPN treats the Knicks like FoxNews treats Obama.

Genuine question.

When have they been wrong?

It seems like every year the press is down in the Knicks in the offeason, fans are more optimistic, and the fans complain the press are just Knicks haters.

Then the Knicks go out and have a year eerily like the one the haters predicted they would.

I mean, am i wrong here? When have the Knicks exceeded the pre-season hate by the press?

thats the point. There is no expectation. No win total. No mention of whether or not THjr is a good fit, or anything besides they overpaid. The only way you can sign and RFA is to overpay.

So yea... when I say "you suck" with no real quantifiable justification then yea... its hating.

If the all the press has done is non-quantified, non-justified hating the last 15 years and fans have done more quantified, more justified analysis and has been routinely more positive in that same time, the question is simple ...

Who's been more right at the end of the day?

I don't care who is it or how it was done or when it was done. If you've been "hating" on the Knicks over the last couple of decades, you've mostly been correct.

That matters.

There is no way to really rate our off season until years down the road. As rating the off season doesnt just mean how we will perform this coming season. If 5 yrs down the road Frank is on an all-star team then that pick was a huge success. And nobody can claim they know how any pick will turn out 5 years from now.

Hardaway Jr signing isnt an F grade signing. Noah is an F grade signing. Given his injury history and age and declining performance compared to his contract. Hardaway Jr is more like a C with the potential for B.

Baker signing can be rated as an F. But that's still only a 2 year 9mil commitment at the end of the day and shouldnt destroy the overall grade.

What if Dotson becomes a contributor 3 yrs from now. Nabbing him in the 2nd round would hold more weight then signing Baker for a 2 yr 9mil deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's fair and legitimate. But the same standard was applied to all 30 teams. It's a stronger argument that the whole Pelton piece was just premature and shortsighted, than it was purposely targeting the Knicks.

I would agree with this except the only other two teams to get Fs lost franchise talents this offseason. The Knicks added talent and improved the front office even with Mills still in place.

I don't have any issue with disagreements with the piece, I take issue with the idea Knick "haters" is a thing and that Pelton is one of them.

You can't be a hater and be right at the same time.

ALL the Knicks "haters" over the years have been ultimately proven to have taken the correct position.

Take issue all you want. The article comes from ESPN and that is about as anti Knick as it gets. Defending Pelton here against "Knick hate" is like saying not *every* article from Fox has an anti-Obama agenda. Who really cares. You know what your getting from Fox, just like you know what your getting from ESPN.

There was nothing informative, interesting or even new. There was a single goal, dump on the Knicks. As Crush mentioned the only other Fs lost key franchise players. Knicks got an F for drafting a "triangle PG" and overpaying THjr. Sorry you have issues! This is Knick hate.

Simple question - How do we know ESPN has an anti-Knick basis?

Anyone who has been overly critical of/pessimistic towards the Knicks has overwhelmingly been right to be so.

EVERY off-season the media is down on the Knicks and fans think they're just "dumping" on the Knicks. Then the season starts and it turns out what they predicted comes true.

How can you be "anti" and correct at the same time?

How about we start with the ESPYs?

If you like.

What does that mean?

It means that ESPN has an anti-Knick bias.

Okay, when have they been wrong to be anti-Knicks?

37, 17, 31, 32 wins.

4 winning seasons since 2000, 1 postseason series win and 7 individual postseason game wins in a league in which more than half the league qualify for the postseason. Nw coach every 2 years or so, new president/GM every every 3-4 years. For years had consistently one of the highest payrolls in the league despite a lack of success.

The "anti"-approach seems objectively to be the consistently accurate approach.

Right?

predicting a low win total isnt anti. Its making a prediction. Where is the win total for prediction from this guy? Sorry... I missed it. If he had said 38 wins like the other guy then we would have something to talk about. Pelton shows no such accountability. See how that that works?

No, Pelton does annual win predictions in a different post. He simply hasn't gotten to it yet. The season doesn't start for months.

Scroll back, I provided a link to Pelton's statistical model predictions for last season last night. He/his model was optimistic - he/it predicted 34 wins.

Many here disputed his prediction as too low and numbers based and not taking "common sense" factors into consideration.