BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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It's the guards!!

Calderon and Afflalo are awful. Gallo has lost his confidence and taken a step back. Vujacic is smart but not capable. Grant is capable and smart but doesn't shoot well and has no confidence.

Going forward, I keep Grant and the rest are expendable.

You must miss how many times our bigs get beat down-court.

On Turnovers by the guards? Or long misses by the guards? Probably often. Like most.

You still have not answered my question to you about what the records of each team would be if NY and Toronto traded backcourts. Answer that please. Give me just Calderon for Lowry , what then? You know the answer but it takes away from your bashing of RoLo constantly.

You're right and Briggs is wrong which happens quite often on here. You put a legit guard like Lowry on this team and we become a good team and there's no doubt about that.

BS this teams problems go much father then 1 guard.

So why on the other thread are you proposing to trade Melo for primarily guard help??
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=53858

which is it? BTW -You are not answering the question still.

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

BRIGGS wrote:Even if we had purely bad players--where is the identity here?

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

to run the triangle well every player needs to be in peak physical condition... you could start there instead of what you're doing. who among the knicks is in good enough shape?

who among the starters:

who among the bench:

you can fill in the blanks. me? i am drawing a blank.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Even if we had purely bad players--where is the identity here?

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

to run the triangle well every player needs to be in peak physical condition... you could start there instead of what you're doing. who among the knicks is in good enough shape?

who among the starters:

who among the bench:

you can fill in the blanks. me? i am drawing a blank.

you are hooked on phil and the triangle ... they are a big part of the problem. Old school bball is for old folks.

maybe, maybe not. cleaning up dolan's mess was never going to be easy.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Even if we had purely bad players--where is the identity here?

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

to run the triangle well every player needs to be in peak physical condition... you could start there instead of what you're doing. who among the knicks is in good enough shape?

who among the starters:

who among the bench:

you can fill in the blanks. me? i am drawing a blank.

you are hooked on phil and the triangle ... they are a big part of the problem. Old school bball is for old folks.

maybe, maybe not. cleaning up dolan's mess was never going to be easy.

so phil inherited dolans mess? is that the problem?

Phil is making the mess.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Even if we had purely bad players--where is the identity here?

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

to run the triangle well every player needs to be in peak physical condition... you could start there instead of what you're doing. who among the knicks is in good enough shape?

who among the starters:

who among the bench:

you can fill in the blanks. me? i am drawing a blank.

you are hooked on phil and the triangle ... they are a big part of the problem. Old school bball is for old folks.

maybe, maybe not. cleaning up dolan's mess was never going to be easy.

so phil inherited dolans mess? is that the problem?

Phil is making the mess.

who awarded the no-trade clause to carmelo? t'wasn't phil. you may not care for the triangle and the poor way it is being implemented, but that does not mean you can conflate that with the no-trade clause.

and the contract melo was awarded turned out to be ridiculous, 25-30 fantastic games from melo notwithstanding. was phil jackson the main negotiator there? melo's contract makes the lin streak of 12-15 games and his subsequent contract look like a bargain.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Even if we had purely bad players--where is the identity here?

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

to run the triangle well every player needs to be in peak physical condition... you could start there instead of what you're doing. who among the knicks is in good enough shape?

who among the starters:

who among the bench:

you can fill in the blanks. me? i am drawing a blank.

you are hooked on phil and the triangle ... they are a big part of the problem. Old school bball is for old folks.

maybe, maybe not. cleaning up dolan's mess was never going to be easy.

so phil inherited dolans mess? is that the problem?

Phil is making the mess.

who awarded the no-trade clause to carmelo? t'wasn't phil. you may not care for the triangle and the poor way it is being implemented, but that does not mean you can conflate that with the no-trade clause.

and the contract melo was awarded turned out to be ridiculous, 25-30 fantastic games from melo notwithstanding. was phil jackson the main negotiator there? melo's contract makes the lin streak of 12-15 games and his subsequent contract look like a bargain.

It was not phil? Thought he had autonomy? If he didn't then he should have not taken this job as a telecommuter money grab.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Even if we had purely bad players--where is the identity here?

Even bad players could produce good ball movement--have high energy up and won the court--move the ball---I dont see anything? Were e team that is built on a player or two getting hot --maybe Calderon goes 6-8 and has 20 points the same night Melo has 34. But its not built on good basketball play and thats why Phil is here???

to run the triangle well every player needs to be in peak physical condition... you could start there instead of what you're doing. who among the knicks is in good enough shape?

who among the starters:

who among the bench:

you can fill in the blanks. me? i am drawing a blank.

you are hooked on phil and the triangle ... they are a big part of the problem. Old school bball is for old folks.

maybe, maybe not. cleaning up dolan's mess was never going to be easy.

so phil inherited dolans mess? is that the problem?

Phil is making the mess.

who awarded the no-trade clause to carmelo? t'wasn't phil. you may not care for the triangle and the poor way it is being implemented, but that does not mean you can conflate that with the no-trade clause.

and the contract melo was awarded turned out to be ridiculous, 25-30 fantastic games from melo notwithstanding. was phil jackson the main negotiator there? melo's contract makes the lin streak of 12-15 games and his subsequent contract look like a bargain.

It was not phil? Thought he had autonomy? If he didn't then he should have not taken this job as a telecommuter money grab.

you may be suffering from medium-term memory loss or simply don't know how to read situations. i can't tell for sure.

nonetheless where dolan/melo are concerned "autonomy" has a fluid definition. the evidence and the history is there and dolan is guilty until proven innocent.

rhetorical question: who do you think cares more about the knicks legacy, phil or dolan? who cares more about winning titles, phil or dolan? please don't pull a crushalot on me here....

stopstandthere wrote:phil and the triangle dismantled in NY.

It took me a year to get the triangle right on my sig- Imagine how hard it is for the team

BRIGGS wrote:Phil put low emphasis on guards and its killed us. Even in his tweets last year he really down played 3 pt shooting which is the basis for spreading the floor. He shouldnt have gone to his coaches and said do we want Seraphin or Scvhed--he should've made that decision for himself. Knicks also OVER rated Grant drastically.

You need 4 guys on the floor at all times who can drill a 3. I think Porzingis is the perfect Center for this NBA. He is a 7'3" stretch 5, he will be a huge advantage. The problem is can he and Rolo coexist in this NBA. Does it make sense to keep them both? Could Rolo bring us a high enough pick back to land Valentine and and possibly another pick to land a 2nd rd guard.

Lopez's PER is 17.4
Kritsap's PER is 18.4
Melo's PER is 20.4
DWill's PER is 17.2

We've got 4 players there that can make a heck of a NBA front court rotation. All we really need is to sign an athletic wing who can defend the 3 and 2 spots, which I'm sure Phil will look at. I'm not interested in paying big money to Lance Thomas. I'm hoping/expecting Kristaps to get better and so will his PER and level as a player over the next year or two.

Now if you look at our guards.

Afflalo's PER is 12.1
Calderon's PER is 12.3
Galloway's PER is 11.9

People make it all about Jose, but Jose's not even our worst guard on the roster. They are all pretty below average. We don't have a single starting caliber guard on the roster. Galloway's been given minutes and while he is better defensively, his PER and level of play indicates a player that isn't starting caliber either.

Now lets look at another "system" ball club. The one Phil really loves to compare to. Their guards.

Ginobli's PER is 19.2
Parker's PER is 17.8
Mill's PER is 15.8

And of course their front court is loaded with Leonard (25+ PER) Aldridge (21 PER) and Duncan (16.9 PER)

I can't believe people actually buy this entire Triangle is the problem, Phil Jackson doesn't know basketball theory. This is a talent issue. The team has made only 3 major moves. All were for the front court. Re-signing Melo in 2014. Drafting Kristaps with a high lottery pick in 2015. Signing Lopez to a major contract. Now it's time to make some big investments on guards, on backcourt players.

I'd like to see us with some balance of talent with regards to front court and backcourt talent and then see what the real problem is. You could have Greg Popovic as a head coach running his system, and good luck with him having success with Afflalo/Calderon as his top 2 guards. He just wouldn't.

If Phil can bring back Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Williams and make 2 changes to our backcourt, with players that are actually proven NBA starters and capable to give you 30-35 minutes a night there, we'll be a completely different team next year. I'd bring back Grant/Galloway as backups. I'd replace Lance Thomas with someone better on defense at the perimeter (Lance is better as a stretch 4, when we need someone who can stop the ball and be a good perimeter defender). My coaching choices would be Luke or Thibs. I don't want Rambis back as head coach, I would like to see him back as an associate head coach.