I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

Were preaching to old guys that played with tight shorts and think we can get it done with "Good Character Guys" and playing "The Right Way". Would love to see Curry here. Phil would turn him into a guy that cuts down on his 3pt shooting so he can set up the triangle by going in the corner and feeds Rolo in the pinch post.

I personally think the style of play is ridiculous, but Phil needs to acknowledge that baring rule changes (highly unlikely) you need to accept that this is now a 3pt shooting league. If you don't have 4 guys that can knock down the 3 with regularity on the court at all times you aren't going to compete. End of story. If he wants an example, look at the 1st half of last night's game. Melo got punched in the face and couldn't get an end 1. Lillard got 3 FTs for a foul that required slow motion replay to determine if he was touched. The league is making it a perimeter game and we must adapt.

crzymdups wrote:Phil came here to prove the Triangle was right above all else. End of story. That became clear when he broke up the Melo/JR/Tyson/Amare/Felton team that finished the 2013-14 season at 18-6 once they finally got healthy. Maybe that team was going anywhere, but it could have at least made the playoffs and been entertaining. Phil then tried to strip down for a half rebuild... while keeping Melo and assuming he'd make the playoffs with Calderon and Samuel Dalembert replacing Felton and Tyson. I dunno. I've hated every move he's made, outside of a few of the signings like Rolo. I was dead wrong to hate the KP move, but otherwise, yikes.

Part of this isn't Phil's fault - if we had another top ten pick coming in this year's draft (aka no Bargnani trade), this season wouldn't hurt quite as badly. If we had another young stud coming in the door this summer AND the cap room? We'd be in good shape.

We're still paying for the sins of the past, so I don't put this season fully on Phil. If we were heading into Year 3 with KP, Grant, another top ten pick, Rolo, Galloway, DWill, Afflalo, Melo, Lance... things would feel okay. It's the lack of draft pick that really makes this season feel sour.

And the Fisher situation. That's left a terrible taste in the mouth. I still feel like something must have happened behind the scenes that we didn't hear about to sour the Fisher situation - possibly in that first Memphis game. We were 20-21 heading into Memphis, lost that game, won the next two, 22-22 and then the wheels came flying off. Fisher was fired two days after the Grizzlies came into the Garden and beat the Knicks with Matt Barnes preening and smirking the whole time. I think something may have happened in the lockerroom around the Memphis games that totally undermined Fisher and undid a lot of the team's chemistry. The difference between the way the team was playing in Early January to now is astounding. Something happened.

I don't really know how to move forward at this point. I think talking to Melo about a trade this summer may be the only real option. I don't know what to say about Phil and the coaching stuff.

Something about the Knicks - when the wheels come off the season for this team, they don't just come off, they go flying in four different directions and the car explodes. I don't know why everything goes from okay to terrible so quickly here, but man does it ever.

I dont believe Phil got rid of those players because of the Triangle, he got rid of them for the same reasons we were complaining about them. Felton is rarely good for more than half a season, Tyson=Flu, JR=Trouble Stat=Over the Hill. Think you're being a bit too generous with these players.

What I would like to know is what he has against running Red Holtzman's offense? Phil has spoken glowingly about it many times. And no I dont want to hear how its just like the Triangle

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

HofstraBBall wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:These really need to stop. Phil is NOT the problem. HE is trying to fix it.

The constants are Dolan (last 16 years) and Melo (last 5 years)! Phil is too patient for the fans to be happy but he is trying so hard to change the culture of the team. It is quite hard when your best player is not invested in the TEAMS success.

As for the trianlge, please realize that GSW, SAS, Atlanta and NO use parts of it as well.

Nah. Wont stop making him accountable. This is flat out a crappy team. And who is responsible for putting personnel together. Not Melo. Agree Dolan but mostly the GM or Prez. Phil is responsible for the last two years of personnel. Made some big changes and ahould not get a pass because of fans claiming he is some magical fixture. Maybe you will finally agree once he bolts in a couple of years and leaves team worse off? Or will you still take a pass on his accountability and blame it on Melo?

And No! GS does not run what we run. Ofcourse they run parts of a triangle. As it is still basketball and even the triangle has parts like back cuts, pinch posts and an effort to balance the floor. Howevwr, We run a slow predictable system predicated mostly on the pinch post and Center position making decisions. All the teams you mentioned run mainly a high post PNR offenae with guard play at a premium. If you watch their games they run at least 3 or 4 high pick and rolls a set. Do we?

I understand the frustration, I am frustrated. I just think that the team is heading in the right direction as fast as they can based on picks and $$. They have the $$ for another Max player. Hopefully something can be done that will help the team.

I am tired of changing everything every 2-3 years. It is time for stability and a new team culture. They are on the way, it is not time to change course now.

I am for Thibodeau as he is the best guy available. IMO, if Pjax does not select him but brings in one oh "his" guys, then you can hold him accountable.

The PG is so awful now that the whole team is just imploding. Calderon needs to go. NOW!

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

Impossible to do with our slow frontcourt.

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

Impossible to do with our slow frontcourt.

Dude our players are not slow, they are being told to run a slow offense, even fat felton ran under MDA. If your practicing fast breaking basketball, theres no way you come out and play the way we do.

We walk the ball up on a 3 on 1 opportunity. We saw this team put up 30 fast break points game one of the season, that's what Fisher was trying to do, but kept getting flack from phil about the triangle, and ignoring Rambis, who's hell bent on running nothing but triangle sets.

The only 2 players that are playing some what decent is Melo(our pg) and Rolo (aka shaq) its sooooooo stupid cause its not wrkng

Rambis is this and that and he hasn't even coached 10 games yet.

Unbelievable

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

Impossible to do with our slow frontcourt.

Dude our players are not slow, they are being told to run a slow offense, even fat felton ran under MDA. If your practicing fast breaking basketball, theres no way you come out and play the way we do.

We walk the ball up on a 3 on 1 opportunity. We saw this team put up 30 fast break points game one of the season, that's what Fisher was trying to do, but kept getting flack from phil about the triangle, and ignoring Rambis, who's hell bent on running nothing but triangle sets.

The only 2 players that are playing some what decent is Melo(our pg) and Rolo (aka shaq) its sooooooo stupid cause its not wrkng

My guess is we wont get a pick in the first round but if we dont Id get Kay Felder to bring in the 2nd round--if you watch Oakland he MAKES people play faster--he puts all defenders on their heels--with a player like that guys will have to move faster. Hes going to be good in the NBA FAST--a truly fantastic passer