BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:A little more realistic would be if LAL fall to #6 trading down w/ Pho.

Knicks trade pick #2 for picks 6,13,44

Knicks could do something like
6: Mario Hezonja
13: Kaminsky or BPA
44: BPA

Or

Knicks trade #1
Lakers trade #5, 27 and 34

There should be a lot of opportunity

There is no way I would trade number 1 for anything less than 3 and other two number 1's and 2 number 2's. Thats pick 1 were talking about. You dont trade pick 1 for 5 and essentially 2 second round picks. The compensation for the number 1 pick has the value of a premium all star player.

it does not matter what you would do. They are pipe dreams at best and will NEVER happen. At least Fishmike's are more representative of the actual values even if they probably won't happen either.

It would not make sense for me to post over and over again that I want 10 number one picks for my pick.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:A little more realistic would be if LAL fall to #6 trading down w/ Pho.

Knicks trade pick #2 for picks 6,13,44

Knicks could do something like
6: Mario Hezonja
13: Kaminsky or BPA
44: BPA

Or

Knicks trade #1
Lakers trade #5, 27 and 34

There should be a lot of opportunity

There is no way I would trade number 1 for anything less than 3 and other two number 1's and 2 number 2's. Thats pick 1 were talking about. You dont trade pick 1 for 5 and essentially 2 second round picks. The compensation for the number 1 pick has the value of a premium all star player.

it does not matter what you would do. They are pipe dreams at best and will NEVER happen. At least Fishmike's are more representative of the actual values even if they probably won't happen either.

It would not make sense for me to post over and over again that I want 10 number one picks for my pick.

No GM in the NBA would trade the number 1 pick this year for pick 5 27 and 35--that just isnt proper value. Proper value for the first pick is ATLEAST 3 #1's with one of them a high lottery pick. If not than I wouldnt sweat it. Ill just take my number 1 pick and move on to other avenues. trading a 1 for a 5 and 2 number 2's no GM would even consider it. I have history on my opinion, as the GS Warriors not only traded pick 3 for pick 1 but they added 3 ADDITIONAL 1's. All in all 4 number 1 picks for the right to move up 2 spots.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think the only way you trade the #1 pick, if the Knicks get it, is if the #2 and #3 teams are willing to trade for it and they both like the same player. Of course this would mean That the player they like is different from the player Knicks like. Then it would be smart to trade with the #2 team to make sure you get a little compensation and the player you want.

you think that we can get 3,10 and 35 for #1? This year? We ain't rapin nobody.

So no. I don't honestly know what the knicks can get because I don't know how much teams value Okafor. If they value Towns on the same level then I wouldn't make the trade but If Teams see Okafor as the next blah blah blah then maybe you can get a second rd pick or player. Honestly I would settle for taking on Calderon and Hardaway(maybe, I'm 50/50) plus a 2nd.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:A little more realistic would be if LAL fall to #6 trading down w/ Pho.

Knicks trade pick #2 for picks 6,13,44

Knicks could do something like
6: Mario Hezonja
13: Kaminsky or BPA
44: BPA

Or

Knicks trade #1
Lakers trade #5, 27 and 34

There should be a lot of opportunity

There is no way I would trade number 1 for anything less than 3 and other two number 1's and 2 number 2's. Thats pick 1 were talking about. You dont trade pick 1 for 5 and essentially 2 second round picks. The compensation for the number 1 pick has the value of a premium all star player.

it does not matter what you would do. They are pipe dreams at best and will NEVER happen. At least Fishmike's are more representative of the actual values even if they probably won't happen either.

It would not make sense for me to post over and over again that I want 10 number one picks for my pick.

No GM in the NBA would trade the number 1 pick this year for pick 5 27 and 35--that just isnt proper value. Proper value for the first pick is ATLEAST 3 #1's with one of them a high lottery pick. If not than I wouldnt sweat it. Ill just take my number 1 pick and move on to other avenues. trading a 1 for a 5 and 2 number 2's no GM would even consider it. I have history on my opinion, as the GS Warriors not only traded pick 3 for pick 1 but they added 3 ADDITIONAL 1's. All in all 4 number 1 picks for the right to move up 2 spots.

no GM in the league would give you 3, 10 and 35 when the top three are pretty much neck in neck.

do you think that Phil ends up trading this pick? Of course not!

things change, why not see how it plays out. The top 3 may change as well. You make declarations thinking that things are can't miss.

A couple of months ago you were stating that Ok4 is tim duncan and one of the best prospects to ever come out of college. Now you want towns.

You seem to follow college a lot and have been right on some players but take it a bit slower with the guarantees. Even this thread as your final mock ... isn't that a bit premature?

Btw, do you have your previous final mock drafts from the last 5 years at the same time last year? How have you done? Really curious, not trying to bust balls.

Ive hit on guys like Vucevic(in fact i said we should move up for Vucevic only to find out that he wasnt even a target of the KNicks Iman Shumpert and Singleton) Bynum like 500 posts on why we should take him at 7. I remember in 2009 I wanted to get either Curry Tyreke Evans or Rubio--depends if we had a pick or not. There is a slew of picks that I hit on. I have no idea about two years ago when i said Muscala at 24 he hasnt played NBA basketball yet. Some blunders--I thought Hasheem Thabeet would be better than he was and Byron Mullens. Going back longer I hit on guys like Amare Stuodemire D Wade Chris Kaman Mike Redd and missed on mike sweetney(who we actually took). I have tried to look for a lot of 2nd round players over th yeras a swell--thats where i initially got Kaman and Redd. Kaman moved up to the lottery that year. Brook Lopez over Gallinari

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31389

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=39367

this is when I got to see Bynum in person

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=9593

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=27275

These guys were all projected lower than 30 at the time and they almost all climbed well above our late 20 pick. This was 5 months before the draft. Some of these guys were not listed in the NBA profiles for picks.

1/14/2013 11:14 AM LAST EDITED: 1/24/2013 12:07 PM

Another really good player to watch for around slot 20 SG Victor Olapido Indiana---maybe best athlete or close to it in the upcoming draft but also has a really nice handle and plays 120% high motor. NBA body and athletic ability

Right now my top 5 for projected below 20 are(in nor order)

Nate Wolters PG South Dakota State
Victor Olapido SG Indiana
Kelly Olynyk C /PF Gonzaga
David Mcdermott F Creighton
Erick Green G V Tech

This is a post where I was still talking about Kaman--and coming off the year I said to take Amare. There stuff about D wade Chris bOsh from that year too.

http://74.208.110.179/forum/topic.asp?t=2043

Some mistakes but overall way better than anyone employed by the Knicks for the last 20 years.

gunsnewing wrote:I've been watching him all year. He is more like Curry than Houston but I don't think he's a cornerstone player that Curry is. I'm not as comfortable comparing him to Curry as some are. Too many turnovers

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I was thinking Wade. Smart player but doesn't have Wade's athleticism. Mudiay does. We just don't know how he will develop between the ears. NBA teams will draft him top 3 based on his skills and potential to be the full package

He does... he really does. He can fly with the best of the them. Remember he literally turned 19 about 3 weeks ago and has toyed with guys in the NCAA. Thats what you want to see.. guys who simply dominate their competition. He's putting up 20/5/5 and carrying his college team at an 18 year old.

He doesn't have Wades athleticism at all, man was taking floaters at 6-5 going to the rim at times, not to mention he isn't nearly as fast as he is

RonRon wrote:I think OK4 is way ahead of Towns in terms of Post ability/skills, strength, foot work, while Towns might have a higher ceiling and better defense, we do not know if he will surely develop the post game that OK4 already has

I do not think Town's is an "apparent" pick over OK4, with that said, I would be happy with either

OK4
Towns
Russell

especially if we can add mid/late 1st rounders with a trade for David Lee and moving CA's to acquire New Orleans 1st rounder and our own 2nd rounder for this summer and the 2 following years
With our own 2nd rounder in this summers draft, it will be a HIGH 2nd round pick, which actually has more value than a pick 29 *as a late 1st rounder* because of the structure of the contracts, making 2nd pick's unguaranteed so doesn't have a cap hit, with the bear minimum at 500k for cap space, with many players like Christmas being possible targets for us

I thought we traded that away??

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I was thinking Wade. Smart player but doesn't have Wade's athleticism. Mudiay does. We just don't know how he will develop between the ears. NBA teams will draft him top 3 based on his skills and potential to be the full package

He does... he really does. He can fly with the best of the them. Remember he literally turned 19 about 3 weeks ago and has toyed with guys in the NCAA. Thats what you want to see.. guys who simply dominate their competition. He's putting up 20/5/5 and carrying his college team at an 18 year old.

He doesn't have Wades athleticism at all, man was taking floaters at 6-5 going to the rim at times, not to mention he isn't nearly as fast as he is

keep watching. The quickness is there. Also remember Wade was older... I think he was 19-20 when he started school and 22 as an NBA rookie. Russell turned 19 less than a month ago. Big difference between 19-21 physically as well.

I'm looking but I'm not seeing it. Russell is a good shooter, he has a knack for a nice no look pass here and there. But you can literally watch highlights of him and see that he never busts it to the basket on a fast break, majority of his plays are initiated at the top of the arc. He is a half court player that's the impression I'm getting. I like his shooting ability he has that and good court awareness. The athleticism is just not there. That most likely will hurt the defensive side of the ball.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I was thinking Wade. Smart player but doesn't have Wade's athleticism. Mudiay does. We just don't know how he will develop between the ears. NBA teams will draft him top 3 based on his skills and potential to be the full package

He does... he really does. He can fly with the best of the them. Remember he literally turned 19 about 3 weeks ago and has toyed with guys in the NCAA. Thats what you want to see.. guys who simply dominate their competition. He's putting up 20/5/5 and carrying his college team at an 18 year old.

He doesn't have Wades athleticism at all, man was taking floaters at 6-5 going to the rim at times, not to mention he isn't nearly as fast as he is

keep watching. The quickness is there. Also remember Wade was older... I think he was 19-20 when he started school and 22 as an NBA rookie. Russell turned 19 less than a month ago. Big difference between 19-21 physically as well.

I'm looking but I'm not seeing it. Russell is a good shooter, he has a knack for a nice no look pass here and there. But you can literally watch highlights of him and see that he never busts it to the basket on a fast break, majority of his plays are initiated at the top of the arc. He is a half court player that's the impression I'm getting. I like his shooting ability he has that and good court awareness. The athleticism is just not there. That most likely will hurt the defensive side of the ball.

If we had pick #3 and the 2 pivots were gone Id have to keep my options open. If I HAD to make a pick Im seriously leaning towards Hezonja. There simply are not many 6-8 athletic SGs in the world. He shoots like Klay Thompson but hes more explosive of an athlete.

I agree with you Hezonja is an option to consider. I was thinking about your other thread about lacking athleticism the first thing that I thought was Russell isn't that. You want your PG to be athletic able to go full speed all the way to the basket. I would love to let Phil Jackson to mold Mudiay as a do everything type of sg In the mold of Kobe and Jordan.

BRIGGS wrote:If I can make a deal with my number #1 pick and 3 future 2's to get 3 10 and 35 Id take Towns Kaminsky and Hanlan 2 seniors and a freshmen.

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I think Russell and Muinday will be their for the third pick so if anything philly would do a deal to trade down themselves if they don't want to go big.......

Do you think Philly is worried one of them is not going to be there at 3? That they'd trade up????

I think Minny might look to trade their pick as they drop to 3 or 4th. I'd think Minny takes Oka4 or towns if they have 1 or 2. Same for knicks. Lakers Im not sure but can't imagine they'd pass either.