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BRIGGS
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1/20/2015  9:27 AM
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

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1/20/2015  9:41 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

Dray makes David near expendable, you know a guy who is making $16mil/yr

Have you ever advocated bringing Lee back to New York at his pay scale


Yet you'd squak at paying Dray $3-4mil/yr less than him

Are you limited in your abilities to scout a player tunnel vision only on offensive basic metrics


Dray's rebounding-steals-blks in any given game have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

He also has very good passing ability


His versatility to switch between guarding 1-4 positions have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

His +/- and Win Shares are also rather chunky here have a look

Scroll Down
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

BRIGGS
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1/20/2015  10:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  10:24 AM
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

Dray makes David near expendable, you know a guy who is making $16mil/yr

Have you ever advocated bringing Lee back to New York at his pay scale


Yet you'd squak at paying Dray $3-4mil/yr less than him

Are you limited in your abilities to scout a player tunnel vision only on offensive basic metrics


Dray's rebounding-steals-blks in any given game have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

He also has very good passing ability


His versatility to switch between guarding 1-4 positions have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

His +/- and Win Shares are also rather chunky here have a look

Scroll Down
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

This isnt 1990--this isnt the same type of basketball. Offense wins games now. ANY team can play good team defense with guys willing to play hard. The biggest reason the Knicks stink is there in ability to score over 100 points. Dallas is 29-13 in the west and gives up more points than we do at 6-36. The problem w the Knicks is the score roughly 92 points a game. After Carmelo--we dont have consistent answers. You start adding in guys like Okafor and Dragic and then FILL IN around them--then you can start talking. We need offense and then the guys have to adhere to playing hard defense and if Fisher cant achieve that it's on him. Our first concern is making sure we can increase our offensive output by 10+ points. Our porous PG position in the modern NBA is a great place to start.

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1/20/2015  10:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

Dray makes David near expendable, you know a guy who is making $16mil/yr

Have you ever advocated bringing Lee back to New York at his pay scale


Yet you'd squak at paying Dray $3-4mil/yr less than him

Are you limited in your abilities to scout a player tunnel vision only on offensive basic metrics


Dray's rebounding-steals-blks in any given game have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

He also has very good passing ability


His versatility to switch between guarding 1-4 positions have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

His +/- and Win Shares are also rather chunky here have a look

Scroll Down
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

This isnt 1990--this isnt the same type of basketball. Offense wins games now. ANY team can play good team defense with guys willing to play hard. The biggest reason the Knicks stink is there in ability to score over 100 points. Dallas is 29-13 in the west and gives up more points than we do at 6-36. The problem w the Knicks is the score roughly 92 points a game. After Carmelo--we dont have consistent answers. You start adding in guys like Okafor and Dragic and then FILL IN around them--then you can start talking. We need offense and then the guys have to adhere to playing hard defense and if Fisher cant achieve that it's on him. Our first concern is making sure we can increase our offensive output by 10+ points. Our porous PG position in the modern NBA is a great place to start.

So you pick Dallas as an example yet ignore the fact GSW has the best record in the NBA

Playing Dray as a starter placing them amongst the tops teams not only


Offensively but Defensively, what kind of scout are you

Did you not see he's leading the league in Defensive Win Shares?


Okay I'll make note of this if you ever try and use this statistic to support a player you like

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1/20/2015  12:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  12:08 PM
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

Dray makes David near expendable, you know a guy who is making $16mil/yr

Have you ever advocated bringing Lee back to New York at his pay scale


Yet you'd squak at paying Dray $3-4mil/yr less than him

Are you limited in your abilities to scout a player tunnel vision only on offensive basic metrics


Dray's rebounding-steals-blks in any given game have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

He also has very good passing ability


His versatility to switch between guarding 1-4 positions have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

His +/- and Win Shares are also rather chunky here have a look

Scroll Down
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

This isnt 1990--this isnt the same type of basketball. Offense wins games now. ANY team can play good team defense with guys willing to play hard. The biggest reason the Knicks stink is there in ability to score over 100 points. Dallas is 29-13 in the west and gives up more points than we do at 6-36. The problem w the Knicks is the score roughly 92 points a game. After Carmelo--we dont have consistent answers. You start adding in guys like Okafor and Dragic and then FILL IN around them--then you can start talking. We need offense and then the guys have to adhere to playing hard defense and if Fisher cant achieve that it's on him. Our first concern is making sure we can increase our offensive output by 10+ points. Our porous PG position in the modern NBA is a great place to start.

So you pick Dallas as an example yet ignore the fact GSW has the best record in the NBA

Playing Dray as a starter placing them amongst the tops teams not only


Offensively but Defensively, what kind of scout are you

Did you not see he's leading the league in Defensive Win Shares?


Okay I'll make note of this if you ever try and use this statistic to support a player you like

I cant pay a guy 10-12mm when we are scoring 90 points a game. Priority 1 is improve the offense in a big way so we can compete. I think we can do that and we can fill in the blanks with smaller cash. I think having taller more athletic longer guards alone will help our defense.

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1/20/2015  12:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

Dray makes David near expendable, you know a guy who is making $16mil/yr

Have you ever advocated bringing Lee back to New York at his pay scale


Yet you'd squak at paying Dray $3-4mil/yr less than him

Are you limited in your abilities to scout a player tunnel vision only on offensive basic metrics


Dray's rebounding-steals-blks in any given game have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

He also has very good passing ability


His versatility to switch between guarding 1-4 positions have absolutely nothing to do with Steph or Klay

His +/- and Win Shares are also rather chunky here have a look

Scroll Down
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

This isnt 1990--this isnt the same type of basketball. Offense wins games now. ANY team can play good team defense with guys willing to play hard. The biggest reason the Knicks stink is there in ability to score over 100 points. Dallas is 29-13 in the west and gives up more points than we do at 6-36. The problem w the Knicks is the score roughly 92 points a game. After Carmelo--we dont have consistent answers. You start adding in guys like Okafor and Dragic and then FILL IN around them--then you can start talking. We need offense and then the guys have to adhere to playing hard defense and if Fisher cant achieve that it's on him. Our first concern is making sure we can increase our offensive output by 10+ points. Our porous PG position in the modern NBA is a great place to start.

So you pick Dallas as an example yet ignore the fact GSW has the best record in the NBA

Playing Dray as a starter placing them amongst the tops teams not only


Offensively but Defensively, what kind of scout are you

Did you not see he's leading the league in Defensive Win Shares?


Okay I'll make note of this if you ever try and use this statistic to support a player you like

I cant pay a guy 10-12mm when we are scoring 90 points a game. Priority 1 is improve the offense in a big way so we can compete. I think we can do that and we can fill in the blanks with smaller cash. I think having taller more athletic longer guards alone will help our defense.

I have no problem with looking at guards

But not that I think we have a shot at Dray


He's worth the value considering where every other player's value will be

As far as guards go then Gerald Henderson probably fits your profile both in skillset and financially

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1/20/2015  12:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  12:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way


Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if


You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green


There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game

Ive probably seen GS 3-4 times this year. I would never pay Drey Green 12 mm--maybe gS would--hes very valuable to them--Im not sure--that still a lot of money. You take away Steph Cury and Thompson and that team is barely .500 If you left Curry and Thomspon and removed Green and Harrison(the other two starters) they wouldnt be 35-5 but theyd be 27-10. Steph Curry is an MVP type player(a top 3 NBA player) and Klay Thompson is a top 10 NBA player--maybe the best SG in the NBA. Its impossible to guard GS because they have two super stars who also control the ball. Drey Green and everyone else on that team get great shots becuase of them--they get to play free and hard on D. Bring Drey Green to the Knicks and its not going to be the same--we are FAR away from GS talent-wise. We need to focus our assets on tier 1 players--guys like Curry and Thompson. Drey Green is an intangibles player and it is possible that he could sign a highly lucrative contract and move back to a 38% shooter without the assistance of those 2 guards.

You are doing exactly what I thought you would..


Looking for numbers to justify value
If you actually pay attention and watch GS play, they are one of the BEST defensive teams and because THEY ALL DO NOT PLAY FOR NUMBERS
Their DEFENSE has a bunch of players that all have HIGH IQ, great mobility, speed/athleticism, and chemistry

You have to watch how they made SUPERPSTARS instantly unable to do things they do to every other team
GS is playing with a philosophy that has some of our's in it
Green's ability to defend multiple positions, play inside to initiate the post/play outside to spread the floor, knows how to initiate and offense/knows how to play off the ball
He could be exactly what we need in terms of a leader, defender, and an extension of the coach ON THE COURT

He does many things that STATS do not bring up
Yes we do not have Curry or Klay Thompson
But when will we ever get those type of players at their respectful ages with the draft picks we do not have?
The answer is not in the next 10 years

So why not try to take talent and HIGH IQ, leadership (that we lack since Kidd and our veterans), and defensive players (good 1v1 and good team defense)
We need these type of players, you have to overpay for talent if you want talent, only reason he might be avaialable is because of the payroll of their team, if they are able to unload Iggy or/and Lee
Look at the teams that they have beat, you have to watch them play when they play the BEST of the league and see how they beat them and make them uncomfortable

Green is a big part of what GS does, as is EVERYONE
EVERY PLAYER IS IMPORTANT and that is what we have to understand and achieve to go the next step

In fact, I would not only try to steal a player or 2 from GS (could be someone cheaper like Brandon Rush/Holiday), I would also steal 1 or 2 players from Atlanta
These 2 teams beat you with Chemistry, IQ, Intangibles, HEART, DEFENSE, and it is exactly what we are trying to achieve
So getting players that understand this and can continue to MENTOR YOUNG TALENT and GUIDE TEAMS is very valuable, especially for Green for his age

Look, I am not paying him for his numbers, I am paying him for his OVERALL effect on the the team, including the development of the possible 1-2 pick and if lucky OK4 and Thanasis, and our D League callups
CA is not a leader, he is not a good defender, he is making a lot of money, and that is not Green or anyone else's fault
It is not going to be easy to build a team around him, however, we need a lot more than just talent, we need LEADERSHIP/ BBIQ/ CHEMISTRY/ GREAT 1v1 and TEAM DEFENSE, ABILITY TO GO INSIDE OUT, HANDLE THE BALl, PLAY OFF THE BALL, PLAY WITH THE BALL
We need the right combination of players to target and he certainly fits the criteria
Overpaying for YOUNG talent is where you want to overpay, with GREAT DEFENSIVE/IQ/LEADERSHIP/WORK ETHIC, qualities that will always be there

Dragic is a very good player, do not get me wrong, I would love him, but he is a luxury at this point, we are playing a system that devalues the position
We are looking the intiate the offense as a WHOLE, with a post presence or 3, with shooters to space the floor, and unless we are able to move CA, I do not think would be able to add him this summer and improve over other players

We need players that will take our DEFENSE to where GS and Atlanta is currently is in, for the next decade with Thanasis and our #1 draft pick, and this is why I am targetting players like
Their development is our FUTURE and greatest importance in addition to playing TEAM BALL, building chemistry, being a GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAM like these 2 teams, and taking players from these teams/systems, is what we need to do as we are in a copy cat league, especially plaers in GS who run similiar philosophies of ours
They move the ball, have estabilished a winning cutlure, great defensive team, great chemistry, and EVERYTHING that Phil Jackson has been trying to build, and they have turned their teams around in a short time


GS especially has been a great defensive team all year, without a Center for many games, and Green was a big part of that, including Klay Thompson, Barnes, and the ENTIRE team
Stop using numbers/stat's/measurements to justify talent, the GREAT teams that play through chemistry sacrifice all that FIRST
So their importance is not necessarily showing in numbers, if you watched some GS all year and Atlanta games you would understand
With the statemends you made, it is easy for you not to understand it


Kawaii
Jimmy Butler
Draymond Green

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were not getting Leonard or Butler and I doubt PJ pays 10mm plus for Green. Green has a lot of value for GS but the team starts and ends with the guards--they are not replaceable. When you are looking at the Knicks--the first thing that is noticeable is they cant score. So when you are correcting a team--you need to start there. I agree with the fill in the blank players but we are at the stage where we "need' to find our own Drey Green's with pick 35 and use our tier 1 draft picks and big money on players who will help us score many more points just to be competitive.

If I fill out my roster with raw offensive players--all I am doing is making myself a .450 team. If Drey Green cam here with what we have--he'd revert back to shooting 38% and while our defense would be better the overall effect he has with GS would not be felt the same here. Id rather work with Quincy Acy on unit 2 to develop additional skills while he is making 1mm a year. I think he can be a better player than he is--can he be afforded the same amount of time Green has been? Can Acy be a good defensive player who can help in many areas once we have shooters and a pivot?

Green is a finisher--a guy who compliments everything--we need the tier 1 guys first--thats where our big money needs to go,

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1/20/2015  1:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:were not getting Leonard or Butler and I doubt PJ pays 10mm plus for Green. Green has a lot of value for GS but the team starts and ends with the guards--they are not replaceable. When you are looking at the Knicks--the first thing that is noticeable is they cant score. So when you are correcting a team--you need to start there. I agree with the fill in the blank players but we are at the stage where we "need' to find our own Drey Green's with pick 35 and use our tier 1 draft picks and big money on players who will help us score many more points just to be competitive.

If I fill out my roster with raw offensive players--all I am doing is making myself a .450 team. If Drey Green cam here with what we have--he'd revert back to shooting 38% and while our defense would be better the overall effect he has with GS would not be felt the same here. Id rather work with Quincy Acy on unit 2 to develop additional skills while he is making 1mm a year. I think he can be a better player than he is--can he be afforded the same amount of time Green has been? Can Acy be a good defensive player who can help in many areas once we have shooters and a pivot?

Green is a finisher--a guy who compliments everything--we need the tier 1 guys first--thats where our big money needs to go,

You are still not getting it, Atlanta and GS are the best in their conference for a reason
They do not play for STAT's, they know how to play as a team, with BB IQ, with GREAT DEFENSIVE, WITH THE ABILTIES to have multiple players do MULTIPLE THINGS
WE need players that are YOUNG and can teach this to our guys, especially our YOUNG GUYS

Green is a BIG part of the success that GS has been on DEFENSVE ALL YEAR
If we add a player like him, he can pass his knowledge on and the culture we are trying to achieve
I am targetting players that could fit in with and without CA
He knows how to play with the ball and off the ball, something GREAT TEAMS know how to do
Grabbing talent with HIGH IQ would help us achieve this, in addition to the development of our #1 pick and Thanasis who will be part of our future here

We will NEVER get a player like Klay or Curry at their ages, it is not happening
It is unlikely we get those Kawaii or Butler, but by offering them a contract, we limit their teams in improvement this season much like Dallas did with Parsons, giving them a 3 day window

And if we do end up getting 2 young players that has the ability to defend 3positions + and are still improving, it will dramatically change the culture/abilities of our team
In order to play great defense, you need great 1v1 defenders and TEAM DEFENDERS,
In order to play great OFFENSE, you need to always hit the open man and make EVERYONE a threat at all times


Atlanta is proof that chemistry, IQ, hitting the open man, is >>> than talent like teams like OKC/Clippers are unable to do


You are trying to build a team with the philosophy of what Miami did with their BIG 3 in 2010
I am trying to emulate what Atlanta and GS has done in a short time with IQ/chemistry/DEFENSE

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RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:were not getting Leonard or Butler and I doubt PJ pays 10mm plus for Green. Green has a lot of value for GS but the team starts and ends with the guards--they are not replaceable. When you are looking at the Knicks--the first thing that is noticeable is they cant score. So when you are correcting a team--you need to start there. I agree with the fill in the blank players but we are at the stage where we "need' to find our own Drey Green's with pick 35 and use our tier 1 draft picks and big money on players who will help us score many more points just to be competitive.

If I fill out my roster with raw offensive players--all I am doing is making myself a .450 team. If Drey Green cam here with what we have--he'd revert back to shooting 38% and while our defense would be better the overall effect he has with GS would not be felt the same here. Id rather work with Quincy Acy on unit 2 to develop additional skills while he is making 1mm a year. I think he can be a better player than he is--can he be afforded the same amount of time Green has been? Can Acy be a good defensive player who can help in many areas once we have shooters and a pivot?

Green is a finisher--a guy who compliments everything--we need the tier 1 guys first--thats where our big money needs to go,

You are still not getting it, Atlanta and GS are the best in their conference for a reason
They do not play for STAT's, they know how to play as a team, with BB IQ, with GREAT DEFENSIVE, WITH THE ABILTIES to have multiple players do MULTIPLE THINGS
WE need players that are YOUNG and can teach this to our guys, especially our YOUNG GUYS

Green is a BIG part of the success that GS has been on DEFENSVE ALL YEAR
If we add a player like him, he can pass his knowledge on and the culture we are trying to achieve
I am targetting players that could fit in with and without CA
He knows how to play with the ball and off the ball, something GREAT TEAMS know how to do
Grabbing talent with HIGH IQ would help us achieve this, in addition to the development of our #1 pick and Thanasis who will be part of our future here

We will NEVER get a player like Klay or Curry at their ages, it is not happening
It is unlikely we get those Kawaii or Butler, but by offering them a contract, we limit their teams in improvement this season much like Dallas did with Parsons, giving them a 3 day window

And if we do end up getting 2 young players that has the ability to defend 3positions + and are still improving, it will dramatically change the culture/abilities of our team
In order to play great defense, you need great 1v1 defenders and TEAM DEFENDERS,
In order to play great OFFENSE, you need to always hit the open man and make EVERYONE a threat at all times


Atlanta is proof that chemistry, IQ, hitting the open man, is >>> than talent like teams like OKC/Clippers are unable to do


You are trying to build a team with the philosophy of what Miami did with their BIG 3 in 2010
I am trying to emulate what Atlanta and GS has done in a short time with IQ/chemistry/DEFENSE

Ron--do a quick study--show me the correlation between offensive output and team wins and get back to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byteam?cat1=Total&cat2=team&sort=232

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warriors will pay him, all they have to do is trade David Lee's expiring in the offseason- pretty doable with a couple of second rounders or a first.
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1/20/2015  1:29 PM
44% of his shots are 3's. Very interesting. @ 33% rate.

Dray is having a very good year. His first good year. Kerr must be a damn good coach.

I chance it and pay the guy 10 million - 12 max. No more overpaying for mid level talent.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:were not getting Leonard or Butler and I doubt PJ pays 10mm plus for Green. Green has a lot of value for GS but the team starts and ends with the guards--they are not replaceable. When you are looking at the Knicks--the first thing that is noticeable is they cant score. So when you are correcting a team--you need to start there. I agree with the fill in the blank players but we are at the stage where we "need' to find our own Drey Green's with pick 35 and use our tier 1 draft picks and big money on players who will help us score many more points just to be competitive.

If I fill out my roster with raw offensive players--all I am doing is making myself a .450 team. If Drey Green cam here with what we have--he'd revert back to shooting 38% and while our defense would be better the overall effect he has with GS would not be felt the same here. Id rather work with Quincy Acy on unit 2 to develop additional skills while he is making 1mm a year. I think he can be a better player than he is--can he be afforded the same amount of time Green has been? Can Acy be a good defensive player who can help in many areas once we have shooters and a pivot?

Green is a finisher--a guy who compliments everything--we need the tier 1 guys first--thats where our big money needs to go,

You are still not getting it, Atlanta and GS are the best in their conference for a reason
They do not play for STAT's, they know how to play as a team, with BB IQ, with GREAT DEFENSIVE, WITH THE ABILTIES to have multiple players do MULTIPLE THINGS
WE need players that are YOUNG and can teach this to our guys, especially our YOUNG GUYS

Green is a BIG part of the success that GS has been on DEFENSVE ALL YEAR
If we add a player like him, he can pass his knowledge on and the culture we are trying to achieve
I am targetting players that could fit in with and without CA
He knows how to play with the ball and off the ball, something GREAT TEAMS know how to do
Grabbing talent with HIGH IQ would help us achieve this, in addition to the development of our #1 pick and Thanasis who will be part of our future here

We will NEVER get a player like Klay or Curry at their ages, it is not happening
It is unlikely we get those Kawaii or Butler, but by offering them a contract, we limit their teams in improvement this season much like Dallas did with Parsons, giving them a 3 day window

And if we do end up getting 2 young players that has the ability to defend 3positions + and are still improving, it will dramatically change the culture/abilities of our team
In order to play great defense, you need great 1v1 defenders and TEAM DEFENDERS,
In order to play great OFFENSE, you need to always hit the open man and make EVERYONE a threat at all times


Atlanta is proof that chemistry, IQ, hitting the open man, is >>> than talent like teams like OKC/Clippers are unable to do


You are trying to build a team with the philosophy of what Miami did with their BIG 3 in 2010
I am trying to emulate what Atlanta and GS has done in a short time with IQ/chemistry/DEFENSE

Ron--do a quick study--show me the correlation between offensive output and team wins and get back to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byteam?cat1=Total&cat2=team&sort=232

STOP USING NUBMERS TO JUSTIFY TALENT


WATCH THE GAMES
DID see what Harden did vs Golden STate and what he does to EVERY OTHER TEAM IN LEAGUE?
They have been doing things like this ALL YEAR

GS knows how to make ALLS STAR uncomfortable and unable to do things that he does to EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
Including Westbrook, they make teams pay for not being able to come out to defend them, while causing TO's and hitting a HIGH % efficiently on OFFENSE as a whole

What is the difference between GS this year versus GS in the past years?
Why are they a great defensive team this year?
WHy are they able to do all this even without BOGUT and NO BIG man for many games this season?

if you want to play like GS, then getting the player that was the only major change this season versus their past years while playing major minutes/starting lineup/finishing games
He is able to defend traditional 3 and 4's and untraditional 3/4's while they have to come out to defend him
GS makes up for their lack of size with speed/quickness/smarts to recover and apply presure on defense, these are things NUBMERS DO NOT SHOW
They all know how to play WITH AND WIHOUT THE BALL

I am not only paying Green for his production but because of his ability to be an extension of the coach on the floor
His ability to have veteran leadership despite only being a 3rd year player, and still have many years ahead of him
His ability to mentor our #1 pick and Thanasis for our future and speed their development
THe abiltiy to PLAY DEFENSE and build Chemistry
The ability to WORK HARD AND INFLUENCE the entire team

Do you think Green or Dragic will have a greater inlfuence over the development of Thanasis and OK4?


I am talking DEFENSE and you are talking OFFENSE, well it is DEFENSE, Chemistry, and getting production of all players on the court and on the bench that sepperates Atlanta/GS from OKC/Clippers
DEFENSE will be there EVERY DAY while OFFENSE can come and go, but if you HIT THE OPEN MAN, and make EVERYONE productive at all times, it infuences the entire output of the team greater than just OFFENSE

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1/20/2015  1:40 PM
signing guys like dray I liken to all the times guys like ariza and lance Stephenson get signed to huge deals... it has worked for teams like GS, ATL and SA because they either draft these guys or get them on cheap deals... Teague and horford were drafted and developed... GS spent years developing curry, klay and now dray...

signing someone like dray could work out... but there have been many many examples where it just doesn't... role players are just that... they fit a role on a specific team... and you can't all of a sudden switch his role to another team and expect the same kind of production and impact...

with dray specifically.. his defense may or may not translate over but there are serious doubts about his offensive game if he's given an increased role... I'm pretty sure the odds of him being a lance Stephenson far outweigh the odds of him outplaying that contract...

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1/20/2015  1:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  1:56 PM
The NBA today is not the same as the NBA when Phil Jackson had the best talent on his teams
Kerr fully understand this and evolves with the rest of the league while getting the most production out of his players/bench/strengths of his team

Green has the ability to defend, go inside and out to intitiate the offense, and play off the ball, rebound/steals/blocks/defense
His understanding of the game would have a signifigant upgrade and leadership that we lack
He could pass this on to our young guys of our future with Thanasis and our #1 pick
He works hard on and off the court and it would have a direct effect on the development of our our guys

He is like a young Shawn Marion but with better OFFENSE than his younger days

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1/20/2015  1:54 PM
RonRon wrote:The NBA today is not the same as the NBA when Phil Jackson had the best talent on his teams
Kerr fully understand this and evolves with the rest of the league while getting the most production out of his players/bench/strengths of his team

Green has the ability to defend, go inside and out to intitiate the offense, and play off the ball, rebound/steals/blocks/defense
His understanding of the game would have a signifigant upgrade and leadership that we lack
He could pass this on to our young guys of our future with Thanasis and our #1 pick
He works hard on and off the court and it would have a direct effect on the development of our our guys

He is like a young Shawn Marion but with better OFFENSE than his younger days

I like that this guy does not take any midrange jumpers. A modern stretch 4.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/20/2015  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  2:04 PM
Green is the complete opposite of what CA is and that is why we should pay him, his overall effect would have a greater effect for MANY YEARS on our team especially the development of our #1 overall pick, Thanasis, and ALL OF OUR PLAYERS/especially younger ones, their development, etc....

He would restore balance between our defense and provide the leadership/work ethic that would speed up the development of all our guys, including BENCH PLAYERS like Holiday
So it would directly effect the winning culture we are trying establish and the development of the team and young players

ON OFFENSE, TRUST IN THE SYSTEM, and USE EVERYONE AS A THREAT, with efficiency and hitting the open man
Do you see how when they throw the ball to initiate the offense to Green and ALL 4 other players move TOGETHER when that happens, making them ALL THREATS and LOOKING FOR THE FAVORIBLE MATCHUP to spread the floor

We are not paying him for what he does and the numbers he brings
We are paying him for how we would change the way we play, how to execute a system efficiently, play DEFENSE EVERY DAY, and his ability to dirrectly influence the development of our TEAM/COACH/SYSTEM/YOUNG TALENT in the gym, on the court, and on the bench


They look to take OPEN SHOTS and GOOD QUALITY SHOTS, with the ability to grab the OFFENSE REBOUNDS
They read the oppoenents defense and attack them as a whole NOT WITH 1 or 2 players but with ALL PLAYERS ON THE FLOOR
Chemistry and BB IQ > talent

Their ability to anticipate on OFFENSE and DEFENSE is directly affected by their IQ/speed/quickness
It is their ability to anticiple have strong chemistry that beats teams with GREATER talents

It is proven this year already that chemistry/IQ/team work is greater than talent alone
How can Houston, OKC, and many great players/teams that played against GS all year look so poor when they play versus GS?

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1/20/2015  2:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  2:09 PM
RonRon wrote:The NBA today is not the same as the NBA when Phil Jackson had the best talent on his teams
Kerr fully understand this and evolves with the rest of the league while getting the most production out of his players/bench/strengths of his team

Green has the ability to defend, go inside and out to intitiate the offense, and play off the ball, rebound/steals/blocks/defense
His understanding of the game would have a signifigant upgrade and leadership that we lack
He could pass this on to our young guys of our future with Thanasis and our #1 pick
He works hard on and off the court and it would have a direct effect on the development of our our guys

He is like a young Shawn Marion but with better OFFENSE than his younger days


I like the fact

- He's had several 3blk games or more

- He's had several 3stl games or more

- He's had several 10reb games or more

- He's had several 6ast games or more

- He has 1 Triple Double and 3 near triple doubles

- He needs no plays called for him to be effective


http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=48477

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1/20/2015  2:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2015  2:18 PM
Green is NOT just a role player, he is a very skilled player that can do a bit of EVERYTHING but sacrifices like EVEYRONE else on their roster for the better of the team

Klay Thompson is probably the most important player in terms of DEFENSE however, ALL PLAYERS are very important in GS and they fully utilize all their talents and depth

Defense importance for GS

Klay THompson

Draymon Green is the next most important piece
Barnes

Curry/Bogut

Holiday/Lee/Iggy

They have made so many GREAT teams this year look like marginal talent with their defense, even without a center for many games

ON DEFENSE

Maybe Thanasis could be a similar player to Klay while Galloway could be a similar player to Curry
And if we able to land Kawaii or Butler, it would instantly be a title contender with our defense alone with THanasis and our #1 pick
I would look to land another player like Brandon Rush to help Draymond Green out to be an extension of the coach


Again, I want players that can teach and improve our culture/and have had succcess playing team ball, while passing this on to our team
Not paying them for what they can do on the court but their knowledge to their game as well
Also look to grab some of the talents in Atlanta to mix in and add chemistry players

Players like

Millsap *would be my #3 target*

DeMarre Carrol
Antic
John Jenkins/Mike Muscula/Elton Brand

1- Kawaii/Butler
2- Draymond Green

3- Millsap
4- Dragic

then after bunch of players that would FIT in from ranges of 2-5m contracts depending who we have on our roster/draft etc to FIT TOGETHER
Would sign Elijah Millsap to make up for what we can give Millsap with a under table agreement just like we did for the Smith Brothers

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1/20/2015  2:21 PM
F500ONE wrote:
RonRon wrote:The NBA today is not the same as the NBA when Phil Jackson had the best talent on his teams
Kerr fully understand this and evolves with the rest of the league while getting the most production out of his players/bench/strengths of his team

Green has the ability to defend, go inside and out to intitiate the offense, and play off the ball, rebound/steals/blocks/defense
His understanding of the game would have a signifigant upgrade and leadership that we lack
He could pass this on to our young guys of our future with Thanasis and our #1 pick
He works hard on and off the court and it would have a direct effect on the development of our our guys

He is like a young Shawn Marion but with better OFFENSE than his younger days


I like the fact

- He's had several 3blk games or more

- He's had several 3stl games or more

- He's had several 10reb games or more

- He's had several 6ast games or more

- He has 1 Triple Double and 3 near triple doubles

- He needs no plays called for him to be effective


http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=48477

you need to get your boy to stop shooting so many threes.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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