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dk7th
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5/14/2013  9:56 PM
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

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5/14/2013  9:57 PM
Uptown wrote:
markvmc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:What type of NBA star does not score in the 4th period two games in a row?

But at least we have the most clutch superstar in the league.

Can you find the quote of the poster who said this?


You won't find anything that specific but you will find many people starting threads like this (http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=40713) about how outstanding Melo is in the clutch
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5/14/2013  9:57 PM
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MS wrote:Yea 40% shooting. Melo has sucked in the playoffs. 1 assist that's doing his part. He's really made a big difference. Beating one depleted ****ty Boston squad. No different then marbury.

So, you crawl out of your cave to take another dump on Melo? Plenty of assists to be had but the team couldnt buy a shot, shooting near 33%. Mlo threw and alley-oop to Chandler who missed point blank dunk. Melo drove and dished to Felton for a wide open 3, he clanked it, same with JR and KMart....Comapring Melo to Marbury to off-base...Marbury barley got this team over .500 let alone make a quick cameo one year in the playoffs...

Melo did miss Chandler and Martin about 5 times underneath the basket. On a few of those he passed it to the wings but still you have to give it to the bigs down low. CHandler is powered by his offense.

Unless your name is Magic or Stockton, your gonna miss players from time to time especially when your a scorer and not a facilitator. Felton, Kidd and Priggs are here to not miss open players.....

I realize that but still. He has to make those passes and he misses them regularly. Tonight was not as bad as other night but he is capable if he is willing.
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5/14/2013  9:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  9:58 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up


We won 53 games, Melo had an MVP season, we won the division, we won a playoff series even tho Melo had no scoring help. You wake up. What did the Knicks do before we got him again?

You probably hated Ewing too.
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5/14/2013  10:00 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Melo's been anything but a superstar or even star. If you said the supporting cast failed Felton, you would have had a point. I don't know what Felton has to do to get credit from some of you guys.

Papabear Says

Come on now without Melo we don't make the playoffs.


huh? That depends on how we used our trade assets and cap space instead of on Melo.
If you're saying once the 2010 Wade, Lebron, Bosh plan fell through, it was impossible to construct a team that would go any better than 6-13 in the playoffs the next 3 years, then I wholeheartedly disagree.
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5/14/2013  10:03 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.
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5/14/2013  10:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

Yeah it sounds like he's kidding but his hate for Melo is making it obvious he isn't.
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5/14/2013  10:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

Melo shot worse than his supporting cast did in this post-season, and even when his teammates were shooting great, he had no desire to pass to them (http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=44608)
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5/14/2013  10:09 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Melo's been anything but a superstar or even star. If you said the supporting cast failed Felton, you would have had a point. I don't know what Felton has to do to get credit from some of you guys.

Papabear Says

Come on now without Melo we don't make the playoffs.


huh? That depends on how we used our trade assets and cap space instead of on Melo.
If you're saying once the 2010 Wade, Lebron, Bosh plan fell through, it was impossible to construct a team that would go any better than 6-13 in the playoffs the next 3 years, then I wholeheartedly disagree.

I think hes talking about this squad without Melo.
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5/14/2013  10:11 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?
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5/14/2013  10:16 PM
Perhaps now it's becoming clear that Melo needed a player like CP3 to be the true leader of the team. Melo by himself can't do it cuz he doesn't have the ability to be that kind of player. This team needs a guy that makes scrubs better and All Stars GREAT!!! Melo doesn't have anyone that can help make him a better player. I think that's the only way this ever works. If we can bring in a Guard that can handle the ball and make others better including Melo!!!

Melo has to grind too hard for every point he gets and that's not good. This team as a whole has the spot up shooters and finishers, but no breakdown PG with passing skills to set everyone up. We had to play 2 PG's just to try and add up to one great PG. Felton/Kidd and then Felton/Prigs.
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5/14/2013  10:16 PM
TeamBall wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?

He did all we could. He keeps getting in this situation with no help. Of course his percents will drop with no help.
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5/14/2013  10:18 PM
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.


this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

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5/14/2013  10:21 PM
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.


this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?


Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.
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5/14/2013  10:21 PM
if only we had mozgov!
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dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I agree, can't put this all on melo, with they way woodson is making adjustments, it's horrible.
Your benching guys off of 2 or 3 mins it seems like.

And the foolish way he continues to play novak and cope is mind boggling..

was there a restriction for shumps mins, playing melo tyson and amare for like 3 min.

How many times did Tyson roll to the rim, not fkng many..so many head scratching moves

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5/14/2013  10:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  10:31 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.


this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?


Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Look, I'm not the type of poster to exempt Melo from any type of criticism. He's struggled with his shot for most of the playoffs.....However, I thought he played well tonite. He missed a few at the end when the game was over that made his fg% look worse than it actually was, BUT, when you have 4 players play a combined 62 mins and combine for 0-11 fgs and 0 pts, you have see how the saying "All hands on deck" didn't apply tonite. You keep defelcting blame for the supporting cast and putting back on Melo, but how can you defend what the rest of this guys did or didn't do in tonites game?

*Note: I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to deflect this post back to Melo aswell....
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Bonn1997 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.


this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?


Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Thank you!!! You hit the nail on the head!! 1 assist a game in the playoffs and your the superstar? That's inexcusable, you can away with that during the regular season but not in the playoffs. Woodwind only fault is not telling Melo not to pass the ball more often. Supporting cast? Please... If we had Wade and LeBron and lost you'd still say our supporting cast sucks. Our supporting cast is great, Melo just doesn't know how to play team ball. Even Jordan had off games during the playoffs and what did he do? He got his teammates going. It's really simple, in a nutshell Melo doesn't make his teammates better.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.


this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?


Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

yea, it really is becoming a dead argument..... when someone writes "melo has done his part" just tells me that some fans are just out of touch here.... no offense...

At some point you can't keep pointing the finger at the other guys.... if you are going to do that, then you can't justify trading so many assets to get carmelo... because we were told... Get the star, the role players are easy to replace.... really? ok then, lets hold the proper individuals accountable..

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5/14/2013  10:53 PM
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.


this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?


Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Look, I'm not the type of poster to exempt Melo from any type of criticism. He's struggled with his shot for most of the playoffs.....However, I thought he played well tonite. He missed a few at the end when the game was over that made his fg% look worse than it actually was, BUT, when you have 4 players play a combined 62 mins and combine for 0-11 fgs and 0 pts, you have see how the saying "All hands on deck" didn't apply tonite. You keep defelcting blame for the supporting cast and putting back on Melo, but how can you defend what the rest of this guys did or didn't do in tonites game?

*Note: I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to deflect this post back to Melo aswell....


I'm pretty sure you're wrong and you have confused with someone else. I've never deflected blame where it was due. I've written many times about how ****ty Tyson's post-season has been. And Shumpert and K-Mart were awful on offense.
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