Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

what year are we living in again? and in what city?

have you listened to any sports radio in ny? have you listened to the fans that call in these stations? yankee fans, mets fans, giants fans, jets fans, rangers fans, islanders fans, etc. etc. etc....all ny fans COMPLAIN. and that's been the case for the past 20 years (in sports radio).

the only difference is that in 2007, you can read more about it courtesy of the internet.

this is what i don't understand...how some fans are surprised, shocked or dissapointed at how other fans react to their teams.

in terms of fans nixluva = islesfan = solace = enyspree = mins = marv = fish = cossucks = tkf = blueseats = trueblue = etc. etc. etc.

the only guy around here that transcends all fans is me. so after me, everyone's in the same boat. there are just more vehicles to voice their opinions.

I've listened to sports radio for hour upon hour for decades. I remember when there was no WFAN or 1050. You had guys like Art Rust Jr. but no all night stuff like today. I'm fully aware of the changes that have occurred in the world of sports and this isn't just your normal fan reaction.

Yes I know that fans complain. It's usually the loud minority against a more quiet majority, but this minority has grown and it's NASTY about it. That's what i'm most bothered by. There seems to be an increase in KNICKS fans that are totally against the team and don't have any faith in or love for the current roster. They don't see any hope or positives to what we have. They take no joy in the team and they don't support the team or it's management. Don't try to tell me that they're just a little annoyed with the losing, cuz EVERY FAN is bothered by losses. What I don't get is the vitriol that is spewed from an increasing amount of KNICKS fans about the decisions being made for this team.

You would think that an astute fan would notice all the solid draft picks and the young and powerful frontcourt we have. Curry, Zach, Lee, Jared, Morris...DAMN what is wrong with that? is it perfect? No, but its better than many make it out to be, by a long shot.

From what I read these fans aren't perceptive or understanding when it comes to judging the young talent we have and all they talk about is the losses. Well you have to start somewhere. Sometimes you're gonna lose a lot when you're trying to build a team that is more about the future than the right now. They claim they would prefer a rebuild and yet they can't even handle the team we have which incidentally has a TON of draft picks and young players. GIVE ME A BREAK!

This latest trade and draft is a perfect example of just how out of touch these fans are. It's almost as if nothing short of getting Kobe would please them. In many seasons fans would be excited and hopeful about there new draft picks and developing young players, but nah, not these fans. They label anyone we get as mediocre. They forget that guys like Josh Howard and Tony Parker come from the same kind of humble low draft pick beginnings. It annoys me to no end. Freakin lighten up and enjoy your team like a fan should for once. It's OK to have an opinion, but don't be negative just for the sake of being negative. Right now there's no reason to so overly negative. You don't have to like everything but DAMN... don't act like there's nothing positive to talk about when it comes to this team.

Posted by djsunyc:

but doesn't that make all this message board thing fun?

it's those that get perturbed that need to check themselves and figure out why it bothers them so much.

Posted by TMS:

plenty of posters who are against this Zach trade, or at least have severe reservations about it, have supported Isiah in the past for the draft choices he's made & the progress they've seen in the young players over the past year... you need to stop with all the generalizations here, because with the exception of a select few, a lot of the people you're probably referring to are not as hateful & bitter towards Isiah as you say they are.

Posted by djsunyc:

in 2005, i made a post (i wish we had a search function) called the "2005 NO THANKS CLUB". it was a list of players i would say "no thanks" to if the knicks were interested in acquiring them.

on my list were the following players: eddy curry, zach randolph, steve francis, jalen rose, jerome james, among the others (wally sczerbiak, etc).

it was a list made (jokingly) of players i don't likand don't really ever want to see on the knicks.

look at that list above, i made it before the end of the 2005 season. it's uncanny how many of those players joined the team after i made my post.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

You are 100% correct. Its some sort of weird mentality that fans think they are perfect and know everything. That if the fans were in charge the team wouldnt lose a game. The media starts it because they are the ultimate hindsight 20-20 vision arm chair qbs.

Hindsight is understanding an event after it's played out. For example, in hindsight Andrew and Martin would have rejected your attempt to sign up if they knew then that you had absolutely nothing to add of any consequence to this board.

This so called complaining that you and others seem to find so objectionable is hardly hindsight since most of the opinions expressed, occur prior to events playing out. For example, most people who dislike the Randolph trade are basing it on his troubled past and how they think he will fit in NY. I'm pretty sure he hasn't played a game yet as a Knick so how could it be called hindsight?

People express opinions on internet message boards, if you don't like it I suggest, nay implore, you to stop posting on this site.

Education, try it sometime.

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[Edited by - islesfan on 07-02-2007 10:38 PM]

Its pretty funny that you think you are adding anything except hatred but a person that supports the team adds nothing.
Anyway keep trying. It seems your non stop negativity while encouraged here actually accomplishs nothing in the real world.
May I ask you a simple question?
Why do you even post anything more than 1 word? The minute somebody sees your name they know it will just be negative. Every post you make is bashing our teams owner, management or players so why not just post the word negative in every post instead and save your fingers some work?
LOL Next SMH

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Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by djsunyc:

in 2005, i made a post (i wish we had a search function) called the "2005 NO THANKS CLUB". it was a list of players i would say "no thanks" to if the knicks were interested in acquiring them.

on my list were the following players: eddy curry, zach randolph, steve francis, jalen rose, jerome james, among the others (wally sczerbiak, etc).

it was a list made (jokingly) of players i don't likand don't really ever want to see on the knicks.

look at that list above, i made it before the end of the 2005 season. it's uncanny how many of those players joined the team after i made my post.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=9039
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=10309

I guess Isiah does read UK and figures "whatever player DJ doesn't want must be a good fit for the Knicks because DJ is such a HATER."

Posted by JohnWallace44:

We got one of the top 10 scorers and rebounders at a position where we had trouble scoring and rebounding

Oh and just as a bonus... we got 2 expiring contracts... and Dickau and Jones can actually play too (not a Jalen mercy trade)


Could we have been more patient and waited for a chance at something better? Hell yes.

Is there any guarantee that patience would have paid off? Hell no.


I'd take this team to battle today. The question we have left to answer is, can you count on Q? We know what the answer is so we obviously still have work to do to finish off the roster, but damn. I mean damn, this team is so much better than last year and in so much of a better position than last year.

Remember when the offense was Marbs running pick and roll with KT, and then when it was Marbs running pick and roll with Frye? We ran a real offense last year for good and for bad, but now we'll be able to use that weapon whenever we want with a player who is not limited to only that in Zach.

Remember how the defense would sag to the baseline when Craw would start eyeing Curry for the 'oop, he'd lose his dribble and force a TO passing to a ready defense? Imagine what happens when the forward looks to help on the right baseline and then Craw rifles it to Zach cutting across the left side of the paint for an easy bucket. (no offense to Balk, Jeff, Lee, Frye, Rose they aren't THAT skilled)

We are going to have less scoring droughts. We might have trouble defending, but I'll take my chances with these guys. Have you seen other teams defend in this league? Kwame still looks like he lost his favorite blanket when he's out there on defense.

Let's start a dialouge about what this team CAN do.

Posted by COSSUCKS:



There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a move, but when they start rooting against our own players succeeding in a desparate need to be right they are no longer supporting the team. When a person roots against his own players and team how can you really be a fan?

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:



There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a move, but when they start rooting against our own players succeeding in a desparate need to be right they are no longer supporting the team. When a person roots against his own players and team how can you really be a fan?

How many people on this board actually do that?