Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Other than Balkman, no one on this team can play defense. The Knicks haven't had a real defensive player since Sprewell left.

There was a thread on this board that asked "if the bulls win the championship and get the number 1 pick..." can anyone find that? I tried for a little bit but cannot find it.

I started that thread. And the question was simply to find out if it had been done before. It was not a freakin prediction.

I don't care what you "freakin" thought or intended it to be. Can you find that thread?

Posted by nyk4ever:

The Bulls will be using our draft pick to draft a low post scorer. Who said Chicago was winning a championship this year anyway? The point of all the arguments was that Chicago set themselves up nicely to build TOWARDS a championship by shedding contracts, signing good players and drafting good players - mostly because of the Knicks resources.

Sorry Chicago couldn't win the championship and shut you up THIS year, but fear not - it will come soon.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

where is that ridiculous thread about the bulls not needing curry? or something to that degree..

Just curious....

[Edited by - tkf on 05-11-2007 12:34 PM]

Here's something to chew on Baby Boy when comparing improving from a 23 win season to a 33win season.





The Bulls in 2004-2005 record was 47-35(Curry was Bull)

They went to the Playoff as a 4rth seed and lost in the first round to the Wizard


The Bulls in 2005-2006 record was 41-41(Curry was a Bull)

They went to the Playoffs as a 7th seed and lost to Miami in the first round


The Bulls record in 2006-2007 was 49-33(Curry No Longer a Bull)

They went to the Playoffs as a 5th seed swept Miami and advanced to the second round where they are currently down 0-3 to defending champion Detroit Pistons


Anymore ?'s

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-11-2007 11:48 AM]

Posted by Panos:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

where is that ridiculous thread about the bulls not needing curry? or something to that degree..

Just curious....

[Edited by - tkf on 05-11-2007 12:34 PM]

Here's something to chew on Baby Boy when comparing improving from a 23 win season to a 33win season.





The Bulls in 2004-2005 record was 47-35(Curry was Bull)

They went to the Playoff as a 4rth seed and lost in the first round to the Wizard


The Bulls in 2005-2006 record was 41-41(Curry was a Bull)

They went to the Playoffs as a 7th seed and lost to Miami in the first round


The Bulls record in 2006-2007 was 49-33(Curry No Longer a Bull)

They went to the Playoffs as a 5th seed swept Miami and advanced to the second round where they are currently down 0-3 to defending champion Detroit Pistons


Anymore ?'s

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-11-2007 11:48 AM]

Uh, wasn't Curry a Knick in 2005-6?

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by nyk4ever:

The Bulls will be using our draft pick to draft a low post scorer. Who said Chicago was winning a championship this year anyway? The point of all the arguments was that Chicago set themselves up nicely to build TOWARDS a championship by shedding contracts, signing good players and drafting good players - mostly because of the Knicks resources.

Sorry Chicago couldn't win the championship and shut you up THIS year, but fear not - it will come soon.

Chicago is a good team, but let's not get carrried away. They got REAL lucky to face the Heat in a very weakened state. They were able to take advantage of playing in a real weak East and since they are a pretty solid defensive team and they execute, they were able to win a lot of games. In the end tho, they aren't very close to the top team at all. They may just get swept and the series wouldn't have been competitive. If you watch the games you can see that the Bulls are a few players away from seriously threatening the Pistons. Even if they get a bigman in the draft, he's likely not going to put them over the top in his 1st year.

Then the Bulls will also have to contend with the other young teams coming up, like Tor, Orl, Philly and the Knicks. Not to mention teams on their level like Clev and NJ. I'm not sure they're destined to win a title any time soon.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by codeunknown:

If the Bulls were so lucky to be playing in the East, why haven't the Knicks taken advantage of that good fortune?

The Knicks are admittedly behind the Bulls in terms of their team development. That wasn't even an issue. We've all conceded that the Bulls are a few steps ahead of the Knicks as a team. That still doesn't change the fact that they're record reflects in part on the weakness of the East. The Bulls didn't lose Deng, Kirk and Gordon all at the same time for the last 20 games of the season. So let's take it easy on bashing the Knicks record this year. It's almost assured that they would've won more games if healthy.

They added BEN WALLACE and PJ. Two experienced players. If they hadn't made any improvement that would've been a HUGE failure for that team. Some early pundits had them as a top choice to play in the ECF.

Posted by codeunknown:

How lucky were the Bulls to be to be playing the Heat? You'd rather they crush Washington, Orlando, NJ?

Wash, was banged up. Orlando wasn't any good and NJ likely wouldn't have been crushed by the Bulls. I don't think they're that much better than NJ.

Posted by codeunknown:

Nix, your opinions aren't credible in the least. You're gloating over the fact that the Bulls might not be destined to win a title after submitting hundereds of posts whining about how difficult it is. Its clear, even to the untrained eye, that the Bulls will at least be contenders after getting the 9th pick this year and using their cap space. And both Paxson and Isiah deserve credit for that.

Why is it clear that they'll be contenders just because they have a draft pick and some cap space? That doesn't guarantee that they'll be able to find what they need to make any significant progress. The role players they have and the young players they have will likely get better to some degree, but enough to make up the gap? Their draft pick isn't a lock to be a 1st year difference maker at PF or C, which is what they need. They're aren't a bunch of FA PF's or C's out there that would make a difference either. I don't see how they're setup to make the quantum leap based on what you pointed out. Their chances are still somewhat slim that they'll find what they need.

Nix, your point about the Bulls being lucky to play the Heat in the 1st round is nonsense - I'd claim that they're unlucky to have to play Detroit in the 2nd round.

Maybe the point is still lost on you. In many ways, my concern isn't even about how good the Bulls are or what a catastrophe the Knicks are. Its your painful double standard in evaluating the teams. The Bulls players will get better over the summer but it won't "close the gap." The Knicks players will get better and all of a sudden the sky's the limit. Why? The Bull's players have a history of getting better and the Knicks players mostly don't. So, a priori, I'd be inclined to laugh in your face at that conclusion.

If the 9th pick and cap space do nothing for the Bulls, then the 23rd pick, zero cap space and Isiah's abysmal trade history should do even less for the Knicks. So, despite the fact that Chicago is already considerably better than the Knicks, it seems that the gap is only going to continue increasing. Tell me why not.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

where is that ridiculous thread about the bulls not needing curry? or something to that degree..

Just curious....

[Edited by - tkf on 05-11-2007 12:34 PM]

looks to me like they were a pretty damn good team with curry and dropped off until this year, curry didn't play in the playoffs that year so we will never know how good the bulls would have done.....Homie..

Again what was that thread all about.... LOL!!!


Here's something to chew on Baby Boy when comparing improving from a 23 win season to a 33win season.





The Bulls in 2004-2005 record was 47-35(Curry was Bull)

They went to the Playoff as a 4rth seed and lost in the first round to the Wizard


The Bulls in 2005-2006 record was 41-41(Curry No Longer a Bull)

They went to the Playoffs as a 7th seed and lost to Miami in the first round


The Bulls record in 2006-2007 was 49-33(Curry No Longer a Bull)

They went to the Playoffs as a 5th seed swept Miami and advanced to the second round where they are currently down 0-3 to defending champion Detroit Pistons


Anymore ?'s


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-11-2007 12:17 PM]

That's because they never replaced the loss of Curry until this yr, with Ben. Now people coincide the Ben acquisition with losing Tyson but I don't because Tyson was still there a yr after Curry left. P.J. Brown was more so Tyson's replacement. Even then one could say Ben and Tyrus filled the void of losing Curry or Tyrus and P.J. were Chandler's replacement. They managed to 2 up the win total 2yrs removed from the beginning of that transition.

looks to me like they were a pretty damn good team with curry and dropped off until this year, curry didn't play in the playoffs that year so we will never know how good the bulls would have done.....Homie..

Again what was that thread all about.... LOL!!!