TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:If you were Denver management and Melo came to you and said "Trade me. I'm willing to extend with these 5 teams", would you want to take what the Knicks are offering over say what the Nets package would be?

Knicks offer: Chandler/AR/Curry/2nd rounders or Gallo/AR/Curry/2nd rounders

Nets offer: Devin Harris, Favors, 1st rounders

??

Haven't we read multiple times that Denver is not interested in any of the Knicks players?

The only way Denver will trade him to the Knicks is if Melo pretty much says I will only extend with the Knicks. If that's the case....don't we have them by the balls?

that's just it... Melo wants to come to the Knicks... we are his 1st choice... so DEN is in no position to be making obscene demands that would gut our entire roster for him... NJ can offer up every player they have but if Melo won't sign that extension w/them then it's all moot... if NY wants to make a run for the Finals THIS year, then making a reasonable trade offer for Melo makes sense... if they're fine with just waiting out the process & hoping Melo signs as a FA, then they can just stand pat... my guess is Dolan will want to make a run this year, considering we spent the past 2 years just purging bad contracts & setting ourselves up for a run in 2010... i think Amare & Felton have this town excited again for playoff basketball... if u add Melo into the mix, you will start hearing talk of making a run for the Finals, something we haven't been able to talk about for a long, long time.

The way I see it..I'm kinda happy either way

If we keep this squad together as a grand experiment to see if you beat the a team of 2-3 A level stars with one A level star, and a few Bs (Felton, Gallo, Chandler, etc).

If it's Amare, Melo, Felton and supporting cast of some kind.. a few seasons ago if you told me we'd have those 3 I'd be happy as hell. It'll be fun to see if 2 1st tier stars and Felton will be a better team than the axis of evil in Miami. It may come down to which GM makes better use of whatever cap space is available to find role players that make sense $wise and basketball wise.

Thoughtful piece from Howard Beck on the subject ran today in the times. Beck seems to be leaning towards the why trade for a scorer when scoring isn't a problem camp. I don't know if he's right but he presents his thoughts well. Guess that's why he gets paid to write. Whether he's a basketball expert remains to be seen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/sports/basketball/11knicks.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

oops didn't see that earl already posted some quotes from that article

if DW decides that Melo isn't the answer then i'm fine with it... but i have a feeling that Melo is our #1 target right now & that a deal will get done... i could be completely off on this but that's the feeling i get from how things are currently playing out... of course Melo could end up in Chicago or some other city if he's willing to go there & DEN likes the package they get back... there are always question marks... whatever DW decides to do at this point all of us have no other choice but to accept... i do feel that Dolan is pushing like hell for Melo to end up in a Knicks uniform though.

Agreed. But if Dolan is pushing for Melo it seems like the right thing to do would be not to go get him purely based on the do the opposite of what Dolan says theory of GMing.

Dolan wants stars in NY... that's clear... that drove him to go after Stephon Marbury when Isiah got here, & that drove him to sign Amare Stoudamire & target Lebron & Wade this past summer... doing the opposite of what Dolan says would have entailed we build the team through the draft & gave up any hope of targetting any bigname stars this past summer too.

I was semi-kidding about that. Dolan is a douchebag but that doesn't mean everything he wants is wrong.

misterearl wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks - Melo is NOT the Ferrari of scoring. That is reserved for Michael Jordan and Melo is no Michael Jordan. Carmelo is closer to a Ford Expedition. High volume, large capacity and will get you across I-70 to Vail. But it may not look so jazzy on Broadway.

Al Harrington is more like a Range Rover. Looks cool but burns a lot of fuel.

looks cool, burns a lot of fuel, costly repairs, not very reliable, and good at just one thing... and that one thing is what most of us who don't live in rural areas don't need...

I know, I had one, and I hope the knicks avoid the same thing...

scoshin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:For me Gallo/AR/Fields/Curry for Melo and I'm happy. Knowing that Chandler is still on the Knicks and the Knicks can tender an offer to him that is important for me.

its too much. I would go as much as this:
Pick 1 from group A
Chandler, Gallo, Fields
Pick 1 from group B
Douglas, AR, Mosgov

I'd go more:

Pick 1: Gallo or Chandler or Fields
Pick 1: AR or Mozgov
Pick 1: Douglas or Walker

and we'll throw in our 2014 1st rounder and the Golden State 2nd rounders.

If we lose at most Gallo/AR/Douglas for Melo, we're still in great, great shape. Still have Fields, Chandler, Turiaf, Mozgov, 'Buike, Walker to round out the rotation. We'd need a backup point to replace Douglas, but we can sign a vet one like Antonio Daniels as a stopgap for now, or look to trade for Jonny Flynn, who doesn't seem to have a place in Minny with Ridnour playing well and Rubio on the horizon.

Two months ago, giving up Gallo/AR was considered way too much, but because AR's proven pretty expendable to our success, it now seems more palatable.

Both sound reasonable aside from fields as an option, no way do i let this kid go. If houston is really interested in randolph for a first round pick, i'd offer that and either gallo/chandler Mason jr, and curry, cap relief and a servicable replacement for melo and a first rounder should be enough

PG: Felton, Douglas, Rautins
SG: Fields, hopefully Azu, would welcome his 3pt%/athleticism/defense, Walker
SF: Melo, Gallo if he stays, Shawne Williams
PF: STAT, Candler if he stays
C: Turiaf, Mosgov

We would still be fairly deep and have added one of the better offensive players in the game. The only spots left to fill are at the 5 and a backup 4 especially if chandler is out, a defensive minded/hustle center like vareajo next year and a servicable PF and this team could be very solid at both ends imo of course. Douglas just needs to run the point better because his d is ridiculous, this team would be a nightmare for opposing teams.

misterearl wrote:alenjel - Until he proves otherwise, and according to reports from practice, Azubuike is done. Recovery from torn patellar surgery surgery is a bit delicate.

Bernard King required two whole years of intense rehab before he was the same. Sure, that was a while ago.

I'm jus sayin.

G: Felton, Rautins, Rucker League discovery
G: Fields, Shawne Williams
F: Gallo, Carmelo as Donnie makes Denver an offer they cannot refuse
F: Stoudemire, The Mayor, Summer League discovery
C: Mozgov, Turif, Jerome Jordan, 6'11 Marcus Camby clone to be named later

If the offer they can't refuse doesn't give up Gallo or The Mayor than DW is officially Jedi Mind Fcuking the league

I just had a briliant idea..any Melo trade must include..The Birdman.

Turiaf + Birdman = 40 minutes of awesome

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