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fishmike wrote:Dude is gonna have a break out year. He looks closer to everything we hoped for when he was drafted.

"He's too passive."

Frank is not only going to be huge part of this core, but he fits in fantastically with what we are trying to do. Knox looks like a straight up scorer. A bucket dropper. Hopefully he becomes a great 2-way but at worst he looks like he'll have some great scoring chops. So you have a scorer in Knox around 3 long and hopefully elite defensive guys with KP/Frank/Mitch.

Frank is such a difference maker. As this team gets better and goes into the playoffs Frank will easily be one of the most important guys. He's so good defensively he's a guy your going to put on the other teams's best scorer and I promise you the guy is going to have a tough series.

But yea... why take my word for it

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:For the record, i agree with your current analysis more than that above from a year ago. Frank still has a long way to go. Averaging 8 pts a game in FIBA doesn't scream breakout year to me.

Why would you only focus on PPG? There are a ton of other metrics in the FIBA games, short as they were, that tell a different story

Frank will NEVER be about points, so why look there?

Yeah, check out his "longest string of games without an injury".
FIBA games. Yeah, Frank's stat lines just tell a tremendous story. Shooting .512% from 2 in a league without defense! 1.8 steals per game! .8 blocks! 4.6 assists!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/frank-ntilikina-1.html#totals-all-reg::none

No matter, he's got another 4 or 5 years at least before he's considered a bust, no matter how he under-performs.

Frank being mentioned in a thread about the Daniel Jones effect. SMH

Panos wrote:What's up, fishy? Change of heart? Are you a hater now?

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fishmike wrote:Dude is gonna have a break out year. He looks closer to everything we hoped for when he was drafted.

"He's too passive."

Frank is not only going to be huge part of this core, but he fits in fantastically with what we are trying to do. Knox looks like a straight up scorer. A bucket dropper. Hopefully he becomes a great 2-way but at worst he looks like he'll have some great scoring chops. So you have a scorer in Knox around 3 long and hopefully elite defensive guys with KP/Frank/Mitch.

Frank is such a difference maker. As this team gets better and goes into the playoffs Frank will easily be one of the most important guys. He's so good defensively he's a guy your going to put on the other teams's best scorer and I promise you the guy is going to have a tough series.

But yea... why take my word for it

He's a team first defensive player with court vision. We have seen him effectively guard elite players. We saw that in the Fiba vs. Kemba for sure. He also had a few scoreless games as well I believe. But locking down scorers and hitting clutch buckets is something this squad can really use.

If I look at this team the best backcourt I see is a Frank/RJ backcourt that can smother teams with length and size. DS strikes me more as Lou Williams/Bobby Jackson type bench scorer, but a guy who gets 30 minutes a night. But Frank has to perform. Thats just the real world part of it. He strikes me as a guy worth being patient on, especially because of his work ethic.

Still love him, but doesnt cloud my judgement. He's gotta perform. I hope he makes it. The thought of Frank/Mitch guarding the P&R for years to come is a nice thought

Panos wrote:For the record, i agree with your current analysis more than that above from a year ago. Frank still has a long way to go. Averaging 8 pts a game in FIBA doesn't scream breakout year to me.

Games are 20% shorter. Also there were games he got in foul trouble and sat. Thing is you had to have seen the games but understood one thing: He contributed to winning. The game against Team USA was awesome. Does that mean he is a bonafide player now? Of course not.
No coronation. But if you didn't have him for two years, drafted him, and at age 21 watched his FIBA you'd be stoked. Picked at no. 8? That might be a stretch. If no extension its logical that someone will extend him. His trade value won't be much given that scenario.
My sense is he will be extended. We don't do that kind of stupid anymore.

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:For the record, i agree with your current analysis more than that above from a year ago. Frank still has a long way to go. Averaging 8 pts a game in FIBA doesn't scream breakout year to me.

Why would you only focus on PPG? There are a ton of other metrics in the FIBA games, short as they were, that tell a different story

Frank will NEVER be about points, so why look there?

Yeah, check out his "longest string of games without an injury".
FIBA games. Yeah, Frank's stat lines just tell a tremendous story. Shooting .512% from 2 in a league without defense! 1.8 steals per game! .8 blocks! 4.6 assists!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/frank-ntilikina-1.html#totals-all-reg::none

No matter, he's got another 4 or 5 years at least before he's considered a bust, no matter how he under-performs.

Frank being mentioned in a thread about the Daniel Jones effect. SMH

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:For the record, i agree with your current analysis more than that above from a year ago. Frank still has a long way to go. Averaging 8 pts a game in FIBA doesn't scream breakout year to me.

Why would you only focus on PPG? There are a ton of other metrics in the FIBA games, short as they were, that tell a different story

Frank will NEVER be about points, so why look there?

Yeah, check out his "longest string of games without an injury".
FIBA games. Yeah, Frank's stat lines just tell a tremendous story. Shooting .512% from 2 in a league without defense! 1.8 steals per game! .8 blocks! 4.6 assists!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/frank-ntilikina-1.html#totals-all-reg::none

No matter, he's got another 4 or 5 years at least before he's considered a bust, no matter how he under-performs.

Frank being mentioned in a thread about the Daniel Jones effect. SMH

Did you watch FIBA? The defensive was a lot more physical and there was less spacing than the typical NBA game. Just look at the problems our US team had scoring against the better teams. Plus he did all that in 19.5 minutes a game. I agree, Frank has a lot to prove. But, if anything, the stats you posted show why we should be optimistic going into camp.

The point wasn't "Let's be optimistic about Frank" it was, based on FIBA, we are looking at a BREAKOUT YEAR FOR FRANK. I agree, 1.2 steals and 4.6 assists are better than what Frank's shown before, but this BREAKOUT YEAR SHIT is just that.

Hey, I want Frank to be Clyde 2.0 as much as any of the Phil lovers/PerryFiz haters on here, but screw it until he shows something sustained during an NBA season.

Again, Daniel Jones??? You really see that happening with Frank based on what you've watched in NBA real life for two years?

Thank you. We will know Frank has really turned the corner when he is able to string together more than a couple of good games. Then weeks, if not months of waiting for the next good game or two. Dont believe Frank will stick in NY if the progress looks to be incremental.

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:For the record, i agree with your current analysis more than that above from a year ago. Frank still has a long way to go. Averaging 8 pts a game in FIBA doesn't scream breakout year to me.

Why would you only focus on PPG? There are a ton of other metrics in the FIBA games, short as they were, that tell a different story

Frank will NEVER be about points, so why look there?

Yeah, check out his "longest string of games without an injury".
FIBA games. Yeah, Frank's stat lines just tell a tremendous story. Shooting .512% from 2 in a league without defense! 1.8 steals per game! .8 blocks! 4.6 assists!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/frank-ntilikina-1.html#totals-all-reg::none

No matter, he's got another 4 or 5 years at least before he's considered a bust, no matter how he under-performs.

Frank being mentioned in a thread about the Daniel Jones effect. SMH

Did you watch FIBA? The defensive was a lot more physical and there was less spacing than the typical NBA game. Just look at the problems our US team had scoring against the better teams. Plus he did all that in 19.5 minutes a game. I agree, Frank has a lot to prove. But, if anything, the stats you posted show why we should be optimistic going into camp.

The point wasn't "Let's be optimistic about Frank" it was, based on FIBA, we are looking at a BREAKOUT YEAR FOR FRANK. I agree, 1.2 steals and 4.6 assists are better than what Frank's shown before, but this BREAKOUT YEAR SHIT is just that.

Hey, I want Frank to be Clyde 2.0 as much as any of the Phil lovers/PerryFiz haters on here, but screw it until he shows something sustained during an NBA season.

Again, Daniel Jones??? You really see that happening with Frank based on what you've watched in NBA real life for two years?

toodarkmark wrote:So you're looking for an unknown to be drafted top 6, booed on draft night,and then turn into an all star and bring promise to the franchise? Seems so familiar....

The Knicks would trade Dan Jones for cap space anyways.

Sounds like you have very low expectations for next season. Cant blame you. Have no idea how this season will go, but Im guessing that it will be more fun watching games, than in seasons past. Good young players who want to prove themselves. If we cant contend next season, hoping to see a team starting to turn the corner. If you believe thats wishful thinking, you are right. Better that than "game over man, game over!"

KnickDanger wrote:The "Daniel Jones Effect" is the bane of my sports fan existence. I suppose it has been there to some extent in the past, but now in the ADD/bipolar, twitter blast, hot take, prisoner of the moment, I want it yesterday era of what passes for discourse...ai yi yi! The cruel incessant ripping that the Giants took for taking Jones, for not taking Haskins, for getting rid of Landon Collins etc. was beyond ridiculous. Of course now the same putzes are saying how smart the GIants were and how great Jones is (and not admitting how wrong and off base they were). I was watching ESPN after the second summer league game and some clown was vociferously describing how RJ Barrett was a bust. Fans booing KP as a pick, talk hosts screaming we should have taken Stanley Johnson. Hating on Frank from day one for Phil not taking DSJ (not Donovan Mitchell revisionists) who's really not any more of a prospect at this point. Fire Fiz. The Nets won free agency. The Knicks failed! And so on. Why wait to see what actually happens!

i hear that. it really is a joy to skip all that crap. and it's not hard to do.

personally i love following who the knicks acquire. and how they play on the court. and discussing those 2 topics with other fanatics. and that's it.

stick to what you love.

KnickDanger wrote:

Marv wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:The "Daniel Jones Effect" is the bane of my sports fan existence. I suppose it has been there to some extent in the past, but now in the ADD/bipolar, twitter blast, hot take, prisoner of the moment, I want it yesterday era of what passes for discourse...ai yi yi! The cruel incessant ripping that the Giants took for taking Jones, for not taking Haskins, for getting rid of Landon Collins etc. was beyond ridiculous. Of course now the same putzes are saying how smart the GIants were and how great Jones is (and not admitting how wrong and off base they were). I was watching ESPN after the second summer league game and some clown was vociferously describing how RJ Barrett was a bust. Fans booing KP as a pick, talk hosts screaming we should have taken Stanley Johnson. Hating on Frank from day one for Phil not taking DSJ (not Donovan Mitchell revisionists) who's really not any more of a prospect at this point. Fire Fiz. The Nets won free agency. The Knicks failed! And so on. Why wait to see what actually happens!

i hear that. it really is a joy to skip all that crap. and it's not hard to do.

personally i love following who the knicks acquire. and how they play on the court. and discussing those 2 topics with other fanatics. and that's it.

stick to what you love.

So don't watch the TV, listen to the radio, read the columns, or post on message boards -- got it!

that's correct. a little posting's fine tho - keep it to the topics u're passionate about and don't get caught up in the bull****.