knickstorrents wrote:

RonRon wrote:I am just saying, its a concern and position that we have still not addressed for this season and we have talks about ECF

While many teams like Pacers/Clippers have multiple defenders at those positions

I think you and Bonn have hit on a core weakness of the team. Our inability to attract players other than those on their final payday means we are at a serious athleticism and speed disadvantage. The first defender I thought of was Iman Shumpert, but we'll have to see how his injury is. Other than that? We don't really have a good answer.

What is wrong with you guys? Ronnie Brewer is considered a high level defender in this league. So in addition to having Shump we also have Brewer. Also JR smith is not a bad defender at all. His benefit comes when you have him in the team concept. As for your other comment about a lack of serious athleticism, that isn't true either. Shump, Smith and Brewer are all extremely athletic. Of course Shump will be coming back off knee surgery, but we have to hope it won't hurt his athletic ability that much.

Overall this team is not deficient in terms of any area defensively. We've got size, athleticism, speed but most of all defensive IQ. We won't be looking to out run teams. Rather this team will be looking to slow teams down and smother them.

The Knicks have very good length and that shot blocking inside will allow our perimeter defenders to be more aggressive and force players into the teeth of the defense. That's where having Tyson, Camby, STAT, KT and Rasheed comes into play.

It is a team game. The Knicks could not stop Earl Monroe, Jerry West, Hakeem or Michael Jordan either and still managed to play thrilling (winning) basketball.

hit the open man

1) Who is carmelo going to guard???

2) In what knicks fan world (besides yours)is JR smith expendable. He is the teams third best scorer and the offense focus of our bench. And for Brando Rush??? GTFO

3) Out of all of the players you listed, they all are about 6-7 to 6-8 and weight 220 pounds (except for James Johnson), the same body type as Brewer. The whole crutch of your argument is "the bulls used him to guard Wade", which doesn't mean dick since BREWER STARTED AT SMALL FORWARD FOR THE JAZZ!!!!!

So even before a game is played and we how good we are defensive, how versitile and big Brewer is, how well Jr plays defensively plus if can score the ball at a sixth man of the year level (something Rush does not do), your already chasing other teams playes. SMH

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brewer is a liability on offense. Shump was coming along nicely but we'd be lucky to get him back to where he was last year.

Felton is an able defender on the ball. Nobody stops the top points in the league alone. or the Top wings.

Why do you think Shump was coming along nicely? He sucked on offense last year.

The silver lining in Shump's injury is/will be the increased amount of time he is putting into shooting drills and ball handling skills. These are really the only exercises he is allowed to do, other than exercises to strengthen his knee. I expect that his shooting will be muchimproved.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brewer is a liability on offense. Shump was coming along nicely but we'd be lucky to get him back to where he was last year.

Felton is an able defender on the ball. Nobody stops the top points in the league alone. or the Top wings.

Why do you think Shump was coming along nicely? He sucked on offense last year.

He was ok. Certainly no where near Faried.

Anji wrote:Gerald Wallace
6 ft 7 in (2.01 m)
220 lb (100 kg)

Ronnie Brewer
6 ft 7 in (2.01 m)
227 lb (103 kg)

Why are you worried about trading players before the knicks even play A REAL GAME!!!!!!
WTF???

Do you really believe that Gereld Wallace is not a bigger, stronger, longer, more versatile and better defender than Ronnie Brewer on Lebron/Durant/Gay?
Gereld Wallace has played SG/SF/PF throughout his entire career and plays both forward positions like Battier.

Brewer has had success defending Wade throughout his entire career.
He is bigger and denies Wade the ability to post up with his size, but can still contest him up to the 3point line.

on Lebron, he gives up a couple of inches, and 35-45 pounds....

The weight is what is listed when the player comes in the league.
The height is whatever they get listed at, it isn't always correct, look what

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/20/splits;_ylt=A2KJ3CR2435QohIA58dNbK5_?year=1999&type=Fielding

http://bkref.com/tiny/DvtbN

Anji wrote:Your thread is invalid for 3 reason.

1) Who is carmelo going to guard???

2) In what knicks fan world (besides yours)is JR smith expendable. He is the teams third best scorer and the offense focus of our bench. And for Brando Rush??? GTFO

3) Out of all of the players you listed, they all are about 6-7 to 6-8 and weight 220 pounds (except for James Johnson), the same body type as Brewer. The whole crutch of your argument is "the bulls used him to guard Wade", which doesn't mean dick since BREWER STARTED AT SMALL FORWARD FOR THE JAZZ!!!!!

So even before a game is played and we how good we are defensive, how versitile and big Brewer is, how well Jr plays defensively plus if can score the ball at a sixth man of the year level (something Rush does not do), your already chasing other teams playes. SMH

My thread is valid, you just don't agree with it and try your best to discredit it, FAIL!

1) Melo would be defending Battier

2) I said when Iman comes back and shows that he is solid.

Felton/Brewer

Kidd/Iman with Kidd defending Wade at times because most PG's will be too quick for him to defend

Brandon Rush is also expendable with Golden State.

Klay/Barnes

Jefferson
Draymond Green

Jack @ SG with Curry/Jenkins at PG

Lee/Laundry @

Rush nearly averages 1 block 1 steal and is a very SOLID rounder/defender at G/F position all in very limited minutes.
He allows us to put Melo at the PF in times, while still having to athletic F with all round games, can still shoot, but he plays bigger/stronger than JR Smith.

Brewer has had great success vs Wade, I would prefer him as our #1 option on Wade and continue it.
He can defend most SF's in the league, but vs Lebron/Durant he is just too big of a mismatch, giving up a couple of inches, and 35 pounds on Lebron.

Don't list me Yahoo's height and weight, it is not accurate.

3) You choose the smallest players that I list and say it is "ALL" 6-7, outside of James Johnson which is not the same body as JR. I listed many forwards that are 6'9+

Most players with the size are signed already, out of the FA's left that are experienced, Pietrus and Shawnee Williams are 2 players that have the size but should be 2nd/3rd options at Lebron.

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYONE person to lock down Lebron/Durant and even Gay.
Maybe the thread should be called BIGGER SF's or/and mobile/versatile PF's to defend these players.
But without listing these ALL STARS and setting my point, I will get back answers like Amare/Mele/Copeland/Brewer/JR, which would lose the point.
For instance, Amare/Copeland/JR Smith are too big of a mismatches vs Lebron, I would be happy with someone like Matt Barnes

@ Anji, you are so busy trying to discredit my thread that you are missing the whole point of the thread, look above.
It is alright for you to disagree with my opinion, but I am entitiled to my own opinions and post them on this Knicks board.
You don't have to talk like a douche/troll, stop cursing. "GTFO" "means Di@!"
I don't even know why I am responding back to a person that responds back with Gereld Wallace and Ronnie Brewer comparison when Wallace is a BIG SF, small PF similar to Marion, with good athleticsim/length and guard a little skills

currently we have Brewer/Melo and then JR Smith *i have no problem with JR but he will get dominated if you put him on Lebron*
Melo, we don't want to tire/gas him out if he is our #1 option on offense. Down in the final minutes, where Melo has to suck it up I am fine with...

I prefer multiple bigger bodies than we have that is capable

1) of bumping back with him when he tries to post up and hopefully tire him out by the 4quarter
2) a Forward that can also keep a hand up on him at the 3point line not someone that would be a complete mismatch that he can dominate and catch fire on

Again, I am not looking for ANYONE to lock these guys down, a more capable body if we believe we are contending for a ring.....

With Camby's age, I am not sure if he can defend such players penetration and have a hand up for their 3point shooting, but if his size/length can disrupt him for some good minutes, it would push Lebron out to the 3point line, and we just have to pray for the best. I do not want Lebron getting easy baskets like he did with OKC without a legit defender. But if he is totally unable to defend his penetration, it would not work. Camby's length just might allow him to recover in time and limit Lebron's options. This is a match up I would like Woodson to expirement should try during the season and if effective, tell Camby that he would be used during the play offs in so he can prepare with video/training with so he can be prepared.

RonRon wrote:

Anji wrote:Your thread is invalid for 3 reason.

1) Who is carmelo going to guard???

2) In what knicks fan world (besides yours)is JR smith expendable. He is the teams third best scorer and the offense focus of our bench. And for Brando Rush??? GTFO

3) Out of all of the players you listed, they all are about 6-7 to 6-8 and weight 220 pounds (except for James Johnson), the same body type as Brewer. The whole crutch of your argument is "the bulls used him to guard Wade", which doesn't mean dick since BREWER STARTED AT SMALL FORWARD FOR THE JAZZ!!!!!

So even before a game is played and we how good we are defensive, how versatile and big Brewer is, how well Jr plays defensively plus if can score the ball at a sixth man of the year level (something Rush does not do), your already chasing other teams playres. SMH

My thread is valid, you just don't agree with it and try your best to discredit it, FAIL!

Just because you feel like the players you like are bigger, doesn't make it fact. This is 2012 buddy, you can find out alot a things threw the information sharing that is the net. Every player who is anybody since the 2000's has been threw a draft measurement, so stop it with the "yahoo numbers" crap. All the players you mentioned actually were under 6-9 when measured, but with shoes and some growth, a quarter of an inch is nothing. James is the biggest weight wise, but the rest all check in at about 220 pounds. INVALID.

We all haven't even seen a game out of the knicks at full strength, yet you feel like proclaiming our defense as not good enough? Pigeon holing Shumps as the Shooting guard off the bench that plays with Kidd and Brewer the Wade guy (we don't even need JR smith), all for a situational line up where Melo is at the Four, Shanes at the three and Lebron at the four? 78 other games to play and the crutch of your thread is when the Heat play small ball. INVALID.

JR Smith was huge for the bench last year and is the best offensive player this season off the bench, but yet you are talking about him being expandable because you like Brandon Rush's block and steal per playing what 15mins a game...... and again all for a situational line up. Half of the bench scoring gone to feel bigger(Rush is again another 6-7'8' guy like Brewer) against LBJ and Wade. INVALID..

You like Brewer on Wade, you like a bunch of other 6'7 forwards on Lebron, fine. You want more players ADDED to the ones we already have on the team, more big forwards. Vaild, who can argue against that? Every team wants that.

Your logic is full of holes though. Feel how you want, your moves would destroy bench, regulate one the best perimeter defenders in the league to a back up 4th guard role and doesn't even make a single mention of Amare in any of this.

All of this to protect Brewer and your perception of him as a Wade only defender???

YOU DON'T EVEN MENTION HOW THIS HELPS AGAINST THE THUNDER(DURANT) AND GRIZZLES(GAY)? GTFO!!!!!