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yellowboy90
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6/22/2012  5:19 PM
I get that people want Nash and he is great but what about getting some two-way players.
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6/22/2012  6:43 PM
I would offer Mike Beasley the Full MLE and have him replace JR Smith as sixth man. He's 22 years old--hes a 20 point scorer proven with 30 minutes a solid rebounder with a BIG body with the most talent (or close to it) C-Chandler PF Amare F Carmelo G Shumpert G Lin 6th man Beasley 7th Big man6-9 245=+ 8th Novak 9 a guard who can penetrate with speed and size---my hope is to get Jared Cunningham out of the draft--he reminds me a lot of Jeremy Lin--he played 2 guard but can transition to 1 guard with his handle and passing.
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6/22/2012  6:46 PM
RonRon wrote:For the FULL MLE, I would rather have a couple players over Nash.

1) Ilyasova he can play both forward spots, with great range, with great length for RBs, Blocks, Steals, and the ability to defend Lebron better than anyone we have.

2) Dragic He can play both G spots and can coexist with Lin with 2nd ball handler, with good penetration, and decent shot.

3) KG although he might be preferred to play Center where he has the advantage, he would be a huge upgrade at the PF vs Amare, upgrading our defensive ability with spacing, and I think he can coexist with Melo, Lin, and can substitute for Amare or/and Tyson Chandler.

4) Ryan Anderson *he is a RFA* so its highly unlikely....

even though all 3 are unlikely at the MLE, with Nash capable of getting more $ on another squad.
At least if there is interest in New York, aside from Anderson, they are all UFA, so they can come to New York if they wanted to....

Aside from these 4 players, I do not like anyone that is a realistic target for the full MLE.
Would much rather break the MLE up than over pay for talent...

Ron all of these guys will get more than MLE or match--maybe Andersen who would be matched. I like Beasley for talent Minnesota has way too many PF's and frontloading an MLE might trump anyone else.

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6/22/2012  6:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I would offer Mike Beasley the Full MLE and have him replace JR Smith as sixth man. He's 22 years old--hes a 20 point scorer proven with 30 minutes a solid rebounder with a BIG body with the most talent (or close to it) C-Chandler PF Amare F Carmelo G Shumpert G Lin 6th man Beasley 7th Big man6-9 245=+ 8th Novak 9 a guard who can penetrate with speed and size---my hope is to get Jared Cunningham out of the draft--he reminds me a lot of Jeremy Lin--he played 2 guard but can transition to 1 guard with his handle and passing.

I like this.

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6/22/2012  6:58 PM
How much would Jerryd Bayless cost? He seemed to be coming into his own last season. He can play behind Lin at the point and give us some minutes at the two. He's very fast and became very effective behind the arc last season.
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6/22/2012  7:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2012  1:18 AM
they most likely would, so is Nash who many want to target.
There are not many worthy players that I think we can afford to over pay or take chances on like Ray Allen and Terry.
Would rather like to see players who will come be at a discount than over pay.

Beasley is an interesting option, if the TWolves do not offer him a qualifying offer.
With Wesley Johnson and Derrick Williams in the mix already, they just might let Beasley, AR and Webster go, wouldn't be surprised if all 3 were let go.
Beasley had a great year 2 years ago, in 2011, but he played more as a 1st/2nd option.
He was injured for much of this season, but when Rubio, Kevin Love, and JJ Barea went down, he showed glimpses of why he drafted with potential.
Like Melo, he seems like he is a high volume scorer, that excels in a fast paced game vs a half court offense.
Cons include a low basketball IQ and has lack of a motor at times.
Pros are that he has physical talent, good size at the SF, with the ability to rebound, and score in bunches.
He relies much on his shot, but at the MLE, and for his age, that would be the only reason such a high draft pick would be available.
I would have a tough time deciding signing 2 players like Odom, Ak47, Mahimi, and even Kenyon Martin vs Beasley.
But I can see why Briggs would like to take a chance with a player like Beasley, especially if we can sign another vet with a LLE.
Maybe a little less than the FULL MLE, if Twolves let him go, so we can use a little of that room to sign a player that goes undrafted think it will be like starting at 500k for 2-3 years along with our 2nd round pick.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/min/rosterhttp://

Before winning this arbitration, I was looking at cheap candidates to fill up our roster, not sure if they will get a look at a roster spot now that we won though.
Was wondering what you guys thought about these type of energy players of the bench, in limited minutes?
I also like Anthony Tolliver from the Twolves and DeMarre Carroll in Utah, as a cheap options, nice hustle players like junkyard Dog.
Tolliver is a forward that knows his role, hit the wide open 3, and provide hustle, energy, rebounds, defense, and runs the floor well.
You can look back, when he is giving a chance to play, he is really effective for short minutes as a starter or a 8th man + in his career with 15-25minutes a game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4371/gamelog;_ylt=AtEbxVzgwJdyGvcONb3D.ZrHPaB4?year=2010http://

DeMarre Carroll lead Utah back to a more respectable game as they were getting swept by Spurs at home this season.
Poppavich, was set to give Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili to sit out the rest of the game, till Carroll lead the Utah Jazz back with his hustle, energy, and defense.
Forcing a more respectable score, The Spur's big 3 to come back in to close to game, but unable to avoid the sweep from The Spurs.
He was picked up from the D League, and has shown limited production with limited minutes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4632/gamelog;_ylt=AiSO76Dtxyp3xc7NFN09RDikvLYF

As for players like Anthony Tolliver and DeMarre Carroll, I feel they give 110% in practice with effort, intensity, work ethic, and remind some players especially that there are players that are hungry and willing to play tough defense if you are not. They might not be talented like many players but they have love for the game, heart, and bring their work ethic in to practice/games. Having some players like this would be good examples for our 2nd round picks and players we sign that go undrafted.

With the way they have been inviting so many players with only one 48th pick and the 35 year old PG from Spain, management were ready to take different approaches.
I think they will wait and see who falls out of the draft, now we have the ability to sign a few players in this deep draft as cheap option for 2-3years with a little part of our MLE.

This would probably be our last MLE we can use till Melo opts(earliest) out in 2 years, assuming we resign Lin, with just the mini MLE at 3m to use.
So till ATM are contracts are done, this will be our last chance to acquire talent in FA.

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6/23/2012  9:31 AM
knickstorrents wrote:To play with Melo I actually like Andre Miller. I also like Camby!! Yea....

While we're at it lets just call ourselves the nuggets instead of the Knicks.

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6/23/2012  9:49 AM
RonRon wrote:they most likely would, so is Nash who many want to target.

The difference is Nash is at the end of his career and wants to win a championship so he's willing to take less than he's worth. He's already said as much.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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6/23/2012  1:09 PM
VCoug wrote:
RonRon wrote:they most likely would, so is Nash who many want to target.

The difference is Nash is at the end of his career and wants to win a championship so he's willing to take less than he's worth. He's already said as much.

I like Nash cuz he's proven to be an elite player and he knows how to win and his game is all about making everyone on the team BETTER!!! This is what we lack most. I love Lin, but he too is still learning and when you go up against the Heat you have to have a mental approach that is rock solid. Nash has been thru the wars and his experience would be invaluable.

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6/23/2012  1:35 PM
Too bad we wont be able to afford to sign nash. A more realistic option is felton
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/23/2012  1:49 PM
Hmm, still undecided whether we go for vets on the decline, or whether to take a gamble on young players- I like three of the spurs FAs- Patty Mills, Danny Green and Gary Neal. Problem is I think our coach is more of fan of older vets, if given the choice.

I like the idea of signing Beasley but I think he'll be too expensive for the role he'd play for us- we'd still need a sg, pg and rebounder.

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6/23/2012  2:18 PM
callmened wrote:Too bad we wont be able to afford to sign nash. A more realistic option is felton

Why do people keep on saying this? Nash has all but said that he's leaving Phoenix to sign with a contender to try and win a championship. If that's what he wants to do, he's going to have to accept some team's exception, no contender will be able to offer a market value contract. I would love to get him here, he's still one of the best pg's in the league, probably only second to Rondo in terms of running an offense. But, if I were him, I'd be talking with OKC before anyone else.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
yellowboy90
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6/23/2012  3:26 PM
nixluva wrote:
VCoug wrote:
RonRon wrote:they most likely would, so is Nash who many want to target.

The difference is Nash is at the end of his career and wants to win a championship so he's willing to take less than he's worth. He's already said as much.

I like Nash cuz he's proven to be an elite player and he knows how to win and his game is all about making everyone on the team BETTER!!! This is what we lack most. I love Lin, but he too is still learning and when you go up against the Heat you have to have a mental approach that is rock solid. Nash has been thru the wars and his experience would be invaluable.

Who can he defend? I like Nash, he is great but unless Lin becomes a better defender then I do not really want two pgs that can't defend their man.

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6/23/2012  3:32 PM
Lin is not a terrible defender but at 6'3 he is not stopping 98% of opposing sgs like kobe. Wade just to name a few
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6/23/2012  4:33 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
VCoug wrote:
RonRon wrote:they most likely would, so is Nash who many want to target.

The difference is Nash is at the end of his career and wants to win a championship so he's willing to take less than he's worth. He's already said as much.

I like Nash cuz he's proven to be an elite player and he knows how to win and his game is all about making everyone on the team BETTER!!! This is what we lack most. I love Lin, but he too is still learning and when you go up against the Heat you have to have a mental approach that is rock solid. Nash has been thru the wars and his experience would be invaluable.

Who can he defend? I like Nash, he is great but unless Lin becomes a better defender then I do not really want two pgs that can't defend their man.

Our defense was good last year; bringing in one player to play a secondary role isn't going to change that.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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6/23/2012  4:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2012  12:26 AM
Especially one that teamed up with shump will give us one of the best defensive backcourts in the league with chandler & odom ancoring the middle
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6/23/2012  6:20 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Especially one qho when teamed up with sbump will vive us one of the best defensive backcourts in the league with chandler & odom ancoring the middle

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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6/23/2012  6:36 PM
I think we need to find a replacement for Shumperts perimiter defense. He was that good.

Although he was fat, I would welcome Felton back because if his perimiter defense and his familiarity with Amare.

Had enough Melo?
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6/23/2012  6:53 PM
With this appeal, i hope Lin and Novak would be patient enough to wait a bit.
Also with this draft, there should be many role players with upside that can be attained cheap.
Inviting players that fall off the draft could be a big steal....
Signing 2-3 players would be ideal with our own 2nd round pick, and with part of the MLE for 2-3years.
Their contracts would start at about 500k with team options for other years, so it would be very cost efficient.
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6/23/2012  7:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2012  8:09 PM
nixluva wrote:
VCoug wrote:
RonRon wrote:they most likely would, so is Nash who many want to target.

The difference is Nash is at the end of his career and wants to win a championship so he's willing to take less than he's worth. He's already said as much.

I like Nash cuz he's proven to be an elite player and he knows how to win and his game is all about making everyone on the team BETTER!!! This is what we lack most. I love Lin, but he too is still learning and when you go up against the Heat you have to have a mental approach that is rock solid. Nash has been thru the wars and his experience would be invaluable.

I agree that he is but he also has players that are willing to buy in to what he is doing, move the ball, share the ball, can space the floor, have high BB IQ, and these are things that our starters do not have. If we do get Nash, we have to get players like Boris Diaw, Grant Hill, Odom, and versatile players that compliment and buy in to that style of play as well. Nash has the ability to make EVERYONE on the floor that plays within his style. Nash isn't going to make Amare capable of finishing with Tyson Chandler on the floor, when his man is cheating. Nash cannot coexist defensively with Lin with minutes together with playoff/championship caliber teams. He isn't going to make Melo move well off the ball, make players space the floor better, they must do it on their own. Players that would play this style would be Fields and the players that were used during Linsanity.
So its like we are going back to Dantoni's system, without Dantoni, while adding more liabilities for Tyson Chandler and not playing to his strengths.

Melo's favorite move is get the ball, clear out, jab jab, jab jab, pump fake, and pull up
So I do agree with you, having Nash teach our guys to play the right way is the way to go, but our "STARS" do not compliment him while on the floor together...

A PG that can play some minutes at SG and capable of defending the position, would save more roster spots and be more be efficient.

just to name a few...

Felton
Hinrich
Delonte West

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