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Finestrg
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6/25/2010  12:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  12:27 PM
Bosh & Gay is interesting...Bosh would be the man here (he did say he wants to be the man on his next team, whether he really believes that is another thing) but then still have that very good 2nd all star-level player playing next to him...That might be a good combination..A Bosh/Jerome Jordan/Rudy Gay frontcourt ain't bad at all...Using David Lee as a S&T chip for either guy might make this a lot easier for us (probably for Bosh - he's the better player over Gay and out of the two probably deserves that 6th year max deal a little more -- Gay should be satisfied with the regular 5 year max deal if he even requires the max) but I just don't see Lee wanting to go to either Toronto or Memphis...

Jerome Jordan
Chris Bosh
Rudy Gay
Wilson Chandler
Toney Douglas

That obviously wouldn't be our first choice on a starting 5 for next year but that wouldn't be terrible...I really think Chris Bosh should be our 1st priority come July 1st...He gets the first phone call if it was up to me, ahead of LeBron, for two reasons -- (1) We're gonna need to have Bosh firmly on board if we even have a remote crack at 'Bron and (2) in the even 'bron doesn't come, I want to build around him anyway..

Quick question -- do we have the room for 1 six year max and a 5-year max?? Is the starting salary in year 1 of a six-year deal more than what the typical 5-year max player could get? Just curious..

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6/25/2010  12:43 PM
Finestrg wrote:Bosh & Gay is interesting...Bosh would be the man here (he did say he wants to be the man on his next team, whether he really believes that is another thing) but then still have that very good 2nd all star-level player playing next to him...That might be a good combination..A Bosh/Jerome Jordan/Rudy Gay frontcourt ain't bad at all...Using David Lee as a S&T chip for either guy might make this a lot easier for us (probably for Bosh - he's the better player over Gay and out of the two probably deserves that 6th year max deal a little more -- Gay should be satisfied with the regular 5 year max deal if he even requires the max) but I just don't see Lee wanting to go to either Toronto or Memphis...

Jerome Jordan
Chris Bosh
Rudy Gay
Wilson Chandler
Toney Douglas

That obviously wouldn't be our first choice on a starting 5 for next year but that wouldn't be terrible...I really think Chris Bosh should be our 1st priority come July 1st...He gets the first phone call if it was up to me, ahead of LeBron, for two reasons -- (1) We're gonna need to have Bosh firmly on board if we even have a remote crack at 'Bron and (2) in the even 'bron doesn't come, I want to build around him anyway..

Quick question -- do we have the room for 1 six year max and a 5-year max?? Is the starting salary in year 1 of a six-year deal more than what the typical 5-year max player could get? Just curious..

We definitely have room for Bosh and Gay. Gay has a lower max because he's been in the league fewer years. I believe his max is $12-14M. i've heard $12M and i've heard $14M, but Gay definitely can't get $16.8M like Bosh.

we should actually have enough room to sign Bosh, sign Gay and have have about $5M leftover to find a point guard. and we still have eddy's deal. and wilson becomes expendable if we have Gay, I'd think.

I'd really chase New Orleans and offer Curry + Wilson for Collison + Okafor.

Collison / Toney
Walker / Landry Fields
Gay / Gallo
Bosh / Gallo
OK4 / Jerome Jordan

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BRIGGS
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6/25/2010  12:45 PM
If we get Gay after two years--that would be hilarious. believe me I have seen him more than anyone here--he's not a winning type player. Think about the team Uconn had and he was the lead cog--he's all aesthetic and no heart
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6/25/2010  12:53 PM
We only get Bosh if we also get an All-star 2 or 3. Bosh can't do it alone and he knows it. He will team up with LeBron, or Wade, or ?maybe Joe Johnson or Gay? but his preference is LeBron, IMO.
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6/25/2010  1:05 PM
I guess it is easy to tell when BRIGGS gets in a foul mood about the Knicks
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6/25/2010  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  1:17 PM
Finestrg wrote:Bosh & Gay is interesting...Bosh would be the man here (he did say he wants to be the man on his next team, whether he really believes that is another thing) but then still have that very good 2nd all star-level player playing next to him...That might be a good combination..A Bosh/Jerome Jordan/Rudy Gay frontcourt ain't bad at all...Using David Lee as a S&T chip for either guy might make this a lot easier for us (probably for Bosh - he's the better player over Gay and out of the two probably deserves that 6th year max deal a little more -- Gay should be satisfied with the regular 5 year max deal if he even requires the max) but I just don't see Lee wanting to go to either Toronto or Memphis...

Jerome Jordan
Chris Bosh
Rudy Gay
Wilson Chandler
Toney Douglas

That obviously wouldn't be our first choice on a starting 5 for next year but that wouldn't be terrible...I really think Chris Bosh should be our 1st priority come July 1st...He gets the first phone call if it was up to me, ahead of LeBron, for two reasons -- (1) We're gonna need to have Bosh firmly on board if we even have a remote crack at 'Bron and (2) in the even 'bron doesn't come, I want to build around him anyway..

Quick question -- do we have the room for 1 six year max and a 5-year max?? Is the starting salary in year 1 of a six-year deal more than what the typical 5-year max player could get? Just curious..

Gallo is going to start next year regardless of who comes. And if we do get Gay, Chandler will either go to the bench or be traded. They are not a great fit to play heavy minutes together on the offensive side of the floor. Thats not going to create the type of spacing D'Antoni wants, neither of those guys is going to stretch the floor consistently, D'Antoni is not going to have the two wing players in his starting lineup both be average at best shooters as they are.(and honestly calling Chandler an average shooter at this point is charitable)

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6/25/2010  1:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I guess it is easy to tell when BRIGGS gets in a foul mood about the Knicks

briggs with the AWESOME display of self-awareness.

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6/25/2010  1:32 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I guess it is easy to tell when BRIGGS gets in a foul mood about the Knicks

usually, the 3 threads you create per minute is a good giveaway.

we've all had good reason to be in a foul mood the past decade so whatever.

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6/25/2010  1:34 PM
Johnson has to be the best fit with Gallo. From his ability to post up guards and pass out of the post, you'd think he could essentially force Gallo to score 30 a game.
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6/25/2010  1:41 PM
bosh most likely will not come to ny w/o lebron or wade.

he is the belle of the ball now. miami will be recruiting him hard. ny will be recruiting him hard to pitch to lebron as a package. chicago will be recruiting him hard to pair up with their squad.

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6/25/2010  1:54 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Johnson has to be the best fit with Gallo. From his ability to post up guards and pass out of the post, you'd think he could essentially force Gallo to score 30 a game.

The Knicks don't run a post up system though. I mean they would have to do it with Johnson there but not the the point where its the main option. I'd rather the point guard do his thing and create space for everyone else. That's what D'antoni wants anyway. Gallo also needs his touches all over the court not just behind the 3pt line

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6/25/2010  1:59 PM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:not sure him and gallo on the court is a good thing

why?

It's like having marbury and iverson on the same team, there's really no balance just talent.
that would be a real IT move

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6/25/2010  2:19 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:not sure him and gallo on the court is a good thing

why?

It's like having marbury and iverson on the same team, there's really no balance just talent.
that would be a real IT move

that makes absolutely no sense. they don't play alike at all

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6/25/2010  2:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  2:24 PM
Seriously guys? Rudy Gay? I've seen this guy play...he doesn't make his team better, he doesn't lead his team anywhere, takes bad shots and doesn't have the best attitude ever. Why are people begging to return to mediocrity?

Raymond Felton? No. He's good, not great. A slightly above league average point guard.

So we'll have Lee, Gay and Felton. How is this anything but a marginal improvement over our current team?

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Finestrg
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6/25/2010  2:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  2:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we get Gay after two years--that would be hilarious. believe me I have seen him more than anyone here--he's not a winning type player. Think about the team Uconn had and he was the lead cog--he's all aesthetic and no heart

Briggs I tell ya buddy, you waver on players and ideas more than anyone I've ever seen...Day to day, even multiple times within the same day it seems...LOL..I distinctly remember you talking up Gay months ago (back when you were convinced we shouldn't even go after LeBron ). In fact here's the link http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34406...Now your saying he's not a winning player and hasn't had any heart since his days at U-Conn...Well which is it my man?? Fact of the matter is, while he's no LeBron, he is one of the better fallback options out there for us and a very real possibility..He makes a lot of sense for us on may levels -- the favorable contract he'd command compared to other guys (thanks Crzy for the clarification btw), his skill level, his age (Gay's younger than Toney Douglas)...If you're trying to say he's not the first choice, then I agree with you obviously..Fact is I'm not getting a good vibe on Lebron to NY anymore -- we did nothing to improve the outlook last night really, Chicago & Miami are better destinations, his top advisor Warren Carter doesn't want any part of NY, etc..I think Gay would be a good guy to sign alongside Bosh if our Plan A went belly up...I like Gay a lot better than Joe Johnson, that's for sure...Why the sudden change of heart? Thought you were high on Gay??

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6/25/2010  2:58 PM
Ive been an advocate of making a run at Rudy Gay all along.. I'd max out Amare Stoudemire and over pay for Gay. At this point it wouldnt matter because Bosh, Lebron, Carmelo, Durant, CP3 aint coming..
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6/25/2010  2:58 PM
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If we get Gay after two years--that would be hilarious. believe me I have seen him more than anyone here--he's not a winning type player. Think about the team Uconn had and he was the lead cog--he's all aesthetic and no heart

Briggs I tell ya buddy, you waver on players and ideas more than anyone I've ever seen...Day to day, even multiple times within the same day it seems...LOL..I distinctly remember you talking up Gay months ago (back when you were convinced we shouldn't even go after LeBron ). In fact here's the link http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34406...Now your saying he's not a winning player and hasn't had any heart since his days at U-Conn...Well which is it my man?? Fact of the matter is, while he's no LeBron, he is one of the better fallback options out there for us and a very real possibility..He makes a lot of sense for us on may levels -- the favorable contract he'd command compared to other guys (thanks Crzy for the clarification btw), his skill level, his age (Gay's younger than Toney Douglas)...If you're trying to say he's not the first choice, then I agree with you obviously..But I think he'd be a good guy to sign alongside Bosh if our Plan A went belly up...I like Gay a lot better than Joe Johnson, that's for sure...Why the sudden change of heart?

It was a comparison at the time of J Johnson and gay--all i did was emphasize that I wouldve much rather have gay. I WOULD NOT HAVE SPENT THE LAST TWO YEARS FCING THE TEAM UP TO GET RUDY GAY.

I would give David Lee 4 max contracts before I signed Gay

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