SupremeCommander wrote:Joe Johnson... I'd rather buy the proven difference maker than overpay for porential

Really? I think Joe has shown that when it matters most, he can come up really small.

I think it was the last year in the Heat series - he was silent until the last game when they basically blew the heat out.

And then against the cavs - he was their leading scorer once, and likewise, put up pretty lame numbers.

Certainly not the numbers of someone who has proven anything - except that he can put up stats in the regular season.

Sorry, if we're maxing someone out, either it should be a young player who we can argue has upside, or if its an older player, they need to have proven they deserve it.

Joe Johnson on the Knicks at a max deal is another allan houston.

franco12 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Joe Johnson... I'd rather buy the proven difference maker than overpay for porential

Really? I think Joe has shown that when it matters most, he can come up really small.

I think it was the last year in the Heat series - he was silent until the last game when they basically blew the heat out.

And then against the cavs - he was their leading scorer once, and likewise, put up pretty lame numbers.

Certainly not the numbers of someone who has proven anything - except that he can put up stats in the regular season.

Sorry, if we're maxing someone out, either it should be a young player who we can argue has upside, or if its an older player, they need to have proven they deserve it.

Joe Johnson on the Knicks at a max deal is another allan houston.

1) I never said Joe Johnson at a max deal--but even then him at a max deal is better value than Rudy gay at a max deal. Johnson at the same terms is better value than Gay without a doubt

2) I didn't mean difference maker in the Micheal Jordan sense of the word. I meant it in the he's the best player on one of the best teams in the league (albeit a second tier team). But he's at least been a key contributor on a couple of very good teams whereas what exactly has Rudy Gay done? Anyone?

3) signing Rudy Gay to a contract of equal terms to Joe Johnson (because I assume that's what we're talking about here) is how you end up "paying for potential" and getting stuck with a Jamal Crawford/LaMarcus Aldridge type contract

Rudy Gay in a heartbeat

Joe Johnson does not have the New York mentality. He can pad his stats in a meaningless game, but is not clutch. His playoff performances are forgettable.

Rudy Gay understands the city

TMS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Joe Johnson... I'd rather buy the proven difference maker than overpay for porential

Really? I think Joe has shown that when it matters most, he can come up really small.

I think it was the last year in the Heat series - he was silent until the last game when they basically blew the heat out.

And then against the cavs - he was their leading scorer once, and likewise, put up pretty lame numbers.

Certainly not the numbers of someone who has proven anything - except that he can put up stats in the regular season.

Sorry, if we're maxing someone out, either it should be a young player who we can argue has upside, or if its an older player, they need to have proven they deserve it.

Joe Johnson on the Knicks at a max deal is another allan houston.

not to be nitpicky, but Allan Houston came up big on more than 1 occasion when it mattered most.

Yes- and I should clarify that what I was referring to was when Allan was a bit over the hill and maxed out and criticized for the big, albatross contract.

Its almost an insult to compare them.

TMS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Joe Johnson... I'd rather buy the proven difference maker than overpay for porential

Really? I think Joe has shown that when it matters most, he can come up really small.

I think it was the last year in the Heat series - he was silent until the last game when they basically blew the heat out.

And then against the cavs - he was their leading scorer once, and likewise, put up pretty lame numbers.

Certainly not the numbers of someone who has proven anything - except that he can put up stats in the regular season.

Sorry, if we're maxing someone out, either it should be a young player who we can argue has upside, or if its an older player, they need to have proven they deserve it.

Joe Johnson on the Knicks at a max deal is another allan houston.

not to be nitpicky, but Allan Houston came up big on more than 1 occasion when it mattered most.

To be fair to Johnson, he damn-near put the Hawks on his back beat the Celts in the first round of thier championship run. Johnson had an incredible series that year.

TMS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Joe Johnson... I'd rather buy the proven difference maker than overpay for porential

Really? I think Joe has shown that when it matters most, he can come up really small.

I think it was the last year in the Heat series - he was silent until the last game when they basically blew the heat out.

And then against the cavs - he was their leading scorer once, and likewise, put up pretty lame numbers.

Certainly not the numbers of someone who has proven anything - except that he can put up stats in the regular season.

Sorry, if we're maxing someone out, either it should be a young player who we can argue has upside, or if its an older player, they need to have proven they deserve it.

Joe Johnson on the Knicks at a max deal is another allan houston.

not to be nitpicky, but Allan Houston came up big on more than 1 occasion when it mattered most.

I'm gonna tell you; all of Houston's career, I wished and waited for him to throw it down on somebody, to show some fire. It never happened. For that reason, he'll always be remebered as a soft player. That's not what we need right now.