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David Lee officially crying; Basically wants trade
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7/23/2009  6:40 PM
Posted by bitty41:

I'm no big Lee supporter but looking at some of the jokers making 10, 12 million it's not completely ridiculous for Lee to ask for this amount. Eddy Curry is making 10 million dollars this season so I can't really hate on him for trying to get this type of money. The NBA is totally out of control with these contracts and it's unfortunate that David Lee is now getting railed against by Knick fans for trying to get what the market dictates.

bitty - the market was on a high before, for scrubs; now the market is correcting itself. DLee is not worth 10 mil per year
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7/23/2009  6:42 PM
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That's a joke right basketballjones????

Yes.
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7/23/2009  6:43 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
We are willing to work something out with these guys, but it isn't happening. After all I've done for this team, I'd expect a little more gratitude. Also, I'm real upset about the way the guys on ultimateknicks.com are talking about me, and the way they're treating my pal King1. They are total ingrates and hatters, the lot of them, and . . . . oh king, that is SO good.

http://www.sportsnews.com/news/davidleefrustrated1.5234

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7/23/2009  6:43 PM
Posted by Solace:

I think bitty has a point. I don't think Lee is necessarily being unreasonable and his stats match the price point. The problem is, he put up the stats on an awful team and the Knicks have a long term plan. Whether or not Lee is worth $10 million a year is debatable, but from Lee's agent's perspective, they are comparing Lee to other guys who are making in that ballpark, so bitty's point is valid.

I'm also happy to see that we haven't caved in and paid more than we should. Let's stop hating on Lee for no reason, though. This board has turned on Lee extremely fast, and really for no valid reason, IMHO.


I havent seen anybody get a deal this offseason where Lee can point to and say: "hey, see there I should be getting more than that guy" Its not 1999, hell, not not even 2008 anymore and Lee has to realize that and stop comparing himself to players that got deals in better markets. Its fruitless.

And again, I dont begrudge the man for wanting to get paid. Nothing wrong at all with that. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about it. Whining to the media is not going to do anything but lose him fans.

For him to use Lebron's name in any respect when it comes to his deal is as lame as it gets for a variety of reasons.

Just say: Hey, we're working on a deal --- they have their side and we have ours and hopefully it can work out. Or better yet, dont say anything at all, because in these times nobody is trying to hear some NBA player menstrate over the fact that he is only being offered six mill a year to play ball and not 8-10. Lee's a bitch.
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7/23/2009  6:44 PM
The sound of a man with no leverage...sounds like tears
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7/23/2009  6:52 PM
it's quite possible he has alot of offers from teams over the cap...the problem is that walsh has to agree to a sign and trade for lee to get his money and he may not like what the other teams are offering.

verejao just got $50 mil and he is NOT a better player than lee.

odom just turned down $10 mil/year for 3 years.

i don't think the issue is the $$$/year, i think the issue is the # of years. i think lee wants 6 years from the knicks and they are only offering 4, which means he'll be a free agent again at 30 where he may not get $8/year at that point.

lee is the newest knick under the bus. start a pool to see who the next knick will be...
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7/23/2009  6:53 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

How many players with similar numbers IN THIS OFFSEASON are getting 10-12 million dollar deals? Not 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1992, 1991, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, ext.

All you Marty McFly, David Lee supporters need to deal with the here and now and stop trying to time travel.
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7/23/2009  6:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's quite possible he has alot of offers from teams over the cap...the problem is that walsh has to agree to a sign and trade for lee to get his money and he may not like what the other teams are offering.

verejao just got $50 mil and he is NOT a better player than lee.

odom just turned down $10 mil/year for 3 years.

i don't think the issue is the $$$/year, i think the issue is the # of years. i think lee wants 6 years from the knicks and they are only offering 4, which means he'll be a free agent again at 30 where he may not get $8/year at that point.

lee is the newest knick under the bus. start a pool to see who the next knick will be...

It's not really that possible. This post - like the one where you predicted the team with Zach/Crawford would make the playoffs - is filled with hypotheticals and speculation. There is no evidence pointing to the fact that is is what is really going on. Lee wants his money, Knicks wont give it to him.
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7/23/2009  6:56 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

Bro I'd agree with you if you had a point but look at what has happened this off season:

Paul Millsap- 13.5 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 53%.-Got &$8 mil per.
Andre Miller- 16 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.5 asts.-Looking at $6 mil per.
Artest - 17 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts, lockdown defender-Got 5.8 mil per.
Marion - 13 pts, 8 rebs, a block and one steal, lockdown defender-$8 mil per.
Hedo - 16 pts, 4,5 asts, 5 rebs-Got a little under $11 mil per

Lee -16 pts, 11 rebs, 2 ast- ??? Not worth $12 mil to me.
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7/23/2009  6:56 PM
btw, i'm not a big fan of lee but i don't think judging the player based on team performance is the way to go. i think you have to see the player's skillset and where he is in his career and go by that.
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7/23/2009  6:56 PM
Hey David Lee,

Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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7/23/2009  6:57 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by djsunyc:

it's quite possible he has alot of offers from teams over the cap...the problem is that walsh has to agree to a sign and trade for lee to get his money and he may not like what the other teams are offering.

verejao just got $50 mil and he is NOT a better player than lee.

odom just turned down $10 mil/year for 3 years.

i don't think the issue is the $$$/year, i think the issue is the # of years. i think lee wants 6 years from the knicks and they are only offering 4, which means he'll be a free agent again at 30 where he may not get $8/year at that point.

lee is the newest knick under the bus. start a pool to see who the next knick will be...

It's not really that possible. This post - like the one where you predicted the team with Zach/Crawford would make the playoffs - is filled with hypotheticals and speculation. There is no evidence pointing to the fact that is is what is really going on. Lee wants his money, Knicks wont give it to him.

but you're going on the premise he wants $12 mil...was that a direct quote from someone? i've never read from anyone a direct quote about $$$'s.

and i never said anything about crawford - he's playoff kryptonite...
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7/23/2009  6:59 PM
To me, Lee's Value is a hair or two above Millsap who got, what, 32 million?
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7/23/2009  7:00 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by orangeblobman:

It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

Bro I'd agree with you if you had a point but look at what has happened this off season:

Paul Millsap- 13.5 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 53%.-Got &$8 mil per.
Andre Miller- 16 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.5 asts.-Looking at $6 mil per.
Artest - 17 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts, lockdown defender-Got 5.8 mil per.
Marion - 13 pts, 8 rebs, a block and one steal, lockdown defender-$8 mil per.
Hedo - 16 pts, 4,5 asts, 5 rebs-Got a little under $11 mil per

Lee -16 pts, 11 rebs, 2 ast- ??? Not worth $12 mil to me.

let's talk about millsap - the guy played with deron williams and had a center in okur that opposing defenses had to guard. lee played with dufus at the point and which other big man? it's quite possible lee averages 20 ppg if he was running the pick and roll with deron. comparing players on different teams with different teammates and different coaches is somewhat trivial.
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7/23/2009  7:02 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Hey David Lee,


So funny, love this img.

I think we should sign Lee for what he is worth in the current plan, not a penny more. $10-$12mil is ridiculous. Bulls trade starting to look juicy. Can't wait to see what happens.

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7/23/2009  7:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by orangeblobman:

It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

Bro I'd agree with you if you had a point but look at what has happened this off season:

Paul Millsap- 13.5 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 53%.-Got &$8 mil per.
Andre Miller- 16 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.5 asts.-Looking at $6 mil per.
Artest - 17 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts, lockdown defender-Got 5.8 mil per.
Marion - 13 pts, 8 rebs, a block and one steal, lockdown defender-$8 mil per.
Hedo - 16 pts, 4,5 asts, 5 rebs-Got a little under $11 mil per

Lee -16 pts, 11 rebs, 2 ast- ??? Not worth $12 mil to me.

let's talk about millsap - the guy played with deron williams and had a center in okur that opposing defenses had to guard. lee played with dufus at the point and which other big man? it's quite possible lee averages 20 ppg if he was running the pick and roll with deron. comparing players on different teams with different teammates and different coaches is somewhat trivial.

DJ...do we REALLY want to compare who could have done with what when the offense Lee plays in is predicated on getting up a shot in 7 seconds and he just had a career high in both scoring and rebounding?
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7/23/2009  7:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by orangeblobman:

It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

Bro I'd agree with you if you had a point but look at what has happened this off season:

Paul Millsap- 13.5 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 53%.-Got &$8 mil per.
Andre Miller- 16 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.5 asts.-Looking at $6 mil per.
Artest - 17 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts, lockdown defender-Got 5.8 mil per.
Marion - 13 pts, 8 rebs, a block and one steal, lockdown defender-$8 mil per.
Hedo - 16 pts, 4,5 asts, 5 rebs-Got a little under $11 mil per

Lee -16 pts, 11 rebs, 2 ast- ??? Not worth $12 mil to me.

let's talk about millsap - the guy played with deron williams and had a center in okur that opposing defenses had to guard. lee played with dufus at the point and which other big man? it's quite possible lee averages 20 ppg if he was running the pick and roll with deron. comparing players on different teams with different teammates and different coaches is somewhat trivial.

Didnt you just get done saying that we shouldn't judge a player based on his team, but his individual skillset and performance?

In any event, Millsap played against better teams in way more meaninful basketball. I dont see how anybody can claim that Lee should get significantly more than millsap.
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7/23/2009  7:11 PM
What the hell...because you avg a dble dble doesn't make you a 12mill per player when u also give up a dble dble..Lee get a grip dude you haven't made one all star team and your team has been lottery bound since you have been here. You have given up several game winning lay ups, and there isn't a single franchise willing to even look in your direction for that $.

Fire your agent and hire Ari Gold from Entourage, at least he'll give it to like it is.
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7/23/2009  7:13 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by orangeblobman:

It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

Bro I'd agree with you if you had a point but look at what has happened this off season:

Paul Millsap- 13.5 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 53%.-Got &$8 mil per.
Andre Miller- 16 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.5 asts.-Looking at $6 mil per.
Artest - 17 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts, lockdown defender-Got 5.8 mil per.
Marion - 13 pts, 8 rebs, a block and one steal, lockdown defender-$8 mil per.
Hedo - 16 pts, 4,5 asts, 5 rebs-Got a little under $11 mil per

Lee -16 pts, 11 rebs, 2 ast- ??? Not worth $12 mil to me.

let's talk about millsap - the guy played with deron williams and had a center in okur that opposing defenses had to guard. lee played with dufus at the point and which other big man? it's quite possible lee averages 20 ppg if he was running the pick and roll with deron. comparing players on different teams with different teammates and different coaches is somewhat trivial.

Didnt you just get done saying that we shouldn't judge a player based on his team, but his individual skillset and performance?

In any event, Millsap played against better teams in way more meaninful basketball. I dont see how anybody can claim that Lee should get significantly more than millsap.

that's my point. you can come up with a ton of reasons why one guy is better than the other...but there's no way of really telling. you go by the guy's individual game and mental makeup. and then you come to a value. walsh thinks he's worth one thing, lee thinks he worth another.

they're BOTH right. it comes down to who will settle for less or more. that's negotiation.

but it's still funny to read a player who alot of people liked alot get thrown to the wolves once money comes up. but so is the ways of the nba today...where how much a player makes is far more important than how good the player is.
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7/23/2009  7:15 PM
But DJ, he isn't getting thrown to the wolves...In the middle of his BEST SEASON EVER no one thought Lee was worth $10 mil, let alone $12(except maybe King).
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