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7/7/2009  7:22 PM
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2009 Orlando Summer League

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2009orlandosummerleagueschedule

B J Mullens and Tyler H can shoot.
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7/7/2009  7:44 PM
A guy the Knicks should keep an eye on Leo Lyons--very quick athletic and skilled for a 4
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7/7/2009  9:19 PM
I wonder why the Knicks don't do more SL games anymore. That year that they drafted Sweets and Lampe, I think they played the Rocky and Vegas games.
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7/8/2009  9:29 PM
Actually the year they drafted Sweets and Lampe they played in Boston...it was at UMASS Boston. I got to see them play...Sweets had 2 or 4 points and was so bad. Being a huge Hoya fan I had been so excited about the draft...and I quickly lost hope.
That same night I got to see Lebron play against a Bucks team that had TJ Ford...The Boston crowd destroyed Lebron and he was awful. I think it was his second game.
Damn, that was such a great thing to go to...so sorry it left Boston.
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7/9/2009  9:35 AM
The Knicks should cut one of their SL guys and bring Leo Lyons on board. I really think this guy would fit great here--he is not only going to make an NBA team--he's going to be a very good player.
He hasnt played much in the SL--but it's the way he plays when he is in there and he certainly deserves much more pT--he's very mobile athletic and skilled. This guy would be awesome in this system--this is the sleeper player of the undrafted players lot. This guy has first round talent--Im telling you on my word this guy is a player. I was right on Anthony Morrow last year and I am positive on this kid
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7/9/2009  11:11 AM
Psycho T is having a pretty solid summer league so far.
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7/9/2009  11:19 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The Knicks should cut one of their SL guys and bring Leo Lyons on board. I really think this guy would fit great here--he is not only going to make an NBA team--he's going to be a very good player.
He hasnt played much in the SL--but it's the way he plays when he is in there and he certainly deserves much more pT--he's very mobile athletic and skilled. This guy would be awesome in this system--this is the sleeper player of the undrafted players lot. This guy has first round talent--Im telling you on my word this guy is a player. I was right on Anthony Morrow last year and I am positive on this kid

I read about him after seeing you mention him a few weeks ago- before we had picked our SL team. He seemed like an intriguing player based on what I read at DraftExpress. He seemed like someone you might want to look at in the SL, especially offensively, although as far as the Knicks go, he might not fit in with this team and what we need.

I found this a few minutes ago on a Missouri site:

http://bullyforoldmizzou.blogspot.com/2009/07/leo-lyons-summer-league-update.html

In his first appearance with the Indiana Pacers Summer League team Leo Lyons scored seven points in seven minutes in a 91-88 victory over the Oklahoma City Thunder. The scoring you have to be pleased with but it's a little concerning that he didn't pull down any rebounds in his limited PT. This is on the heels of a DNP-coach's decision. Hopefully Jim O'Brien (or whoever coaches the summer league team) starts giving Leo some better burn.

Update Via Dave MacD: Leo played nine minutes today against the Utah Jazz and scored nine points. And again grabbed 0 rebounds. That makes 16 points in 16 minutes. And 0 rebounds. If you're still not sure what Leo's strengths and weaknesses are then stop reading this blog. Immediately.

Posted by The True Son at 7:11 PM


These posts came from folks who obviously saw a lot of him. Sounds like a talented offensive player who has problems in other areas- which was also the DraftExpress analysis of his game.



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-09-2009 11:20 AM]
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7/9/2009  12:30 PM
Briggs- Why no comments about T. Williams' game vs Orlando?

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Except for the turnovers, a pretty nice game, with the kinds of numbers he put up in college.
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7/9/2009  12:32 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

Briggs- Why no comments about T. Williams' game vs Orlando?

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Except for the turnovers, a pretty nice game, with the kinds of numbers he put up in college.

This coming off the heels of a clunker. It's always going to be the same for TWill. Like the guy as a player but he's proven that he's consistently inconsistent.
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7/9/2009  1:46 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

Briggs- Why no comments about T. Williams' game vs Orlando?

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Except for the turnovers, a pretty nice game, with the kinds of numbers he put up in college.

He plays well one every other game--thats who he is.
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7/9/2009  4:26 PM
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[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-09-2009 5:17 PM]
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7/9/2009  4:49 PM
Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

By: Mike Moreau Last Updated: 7/9/09 11:30 AM ET | 1078 times read



Adjust font size:Summer league provides the chance to watch players in their pro debuts, as well as see some younger veterans play more of a prominent role before returning to their complimentary status in the regular season. Three players in particular have intrigued me so far - one top-three pick, one who fell in the first round, and one second-year player who is getting a new start:

James Harden - Oklahoma City Thunder

You can't appreciate Harden's game and talent until you see him up close in an intimate setting such as the Orlando summer league. Even though these are games, to coaches they seem more like controlled scrimmages, played in the Magic's practice facility and without all of the fanfare and hoopla surrounding a typical game.

Harden's level of talent just jumps out at you, from the way he flows and moves throughout an offensive possession to the poise he shows whenever things begin to break down or become chaotic. He's not in a hurry, doesn't panic, and carries himself like an eight-year veteran.

You are looking for him to be a prolific scorer, and he does have one of those beautiful lefty strokes that comes off his fingers effortlessly.

But what also impresses is his passing - not so much in rolling up assists, but in the way he swings the ball, kicks to an open teammate, feeds the post, and gets the ball to the right guy to keep the offense moving.

Many scorers stop the ball by holding it too long or dribbling too much. Harden keeps things flowing, and this will be possibly his number one asset on a team that has Kevin Durant and other guys who can score. He's going to be the perfect complement.

Ryan Anderson - Orlando Magic

He's more than just a "throw-in" in the Vince Carter trade, and Anderson may be the perfect niche guy off the bench for the Magic this season as a three-point shooting four man. But, he does more than just shoot threes, as he has demonstrated a willingness to drive off the catch and attack the rim. The drives in summer league that lead to free throws will end up bouncing off the wall in practice in this same facility come October, but you have to like Anderson's attacking style.


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View Mike Moreau Archive With so many bigger, stronger guys wanting to be "pick and pop" guys, Anderson has the mentality that you like from one of those players who may not play every night, but can come in and score 6-8 points in a short stretch.

He has been the best player on the court for much of the time he has been on the floor in summer league, and you can just see Stan Van Gundy's wheels turning as he plots how and when to use Anderson this coming season.

Jrue Holiday - Philadelphia 76ers

Holiday is the youngest player on any roster at the Orlando summer league, and he's been a defensive terror on opposing guards so far. It's that defensive ability using his size and length that can really sets him apart from many other young point guards. Holiday has hounded the ball and forced his opponents to start their offense from out at halfcourt, driven the ball to the sideline and jammed it up, and gotten more deflections, tips, blocks and just created more general havoc than most point guards can. His ability to contest shots of smaller guards is on overlooked asset.

Offensively, he has that calm, comfortable demeanor that just exudes confidence, and doesn't panic or overdribble. In fact, he's been probably too deferential in his first few games as a pro. But, he also has that shifty, craftiness to change speeds and get where he wants to with the ball. With his size, he can get into the lane and shoot over smaller defenders, and keeps his dribble alive at the foul line much like Chris Paul - creating a later path to an open area in traffic.

And, although it may not be an option in the Philly/New Jersey summer league playbook, Holiday has shown a desire to back down his defender and post up. That's straight out of the Ander Miller handbook, but Holiday will be a much better shooter and provide better offensive spacing for the Sixers this season. Young and inexperienced will give way to his talent soon enough.


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BJ Mullens was is a top 5 talent in this draft. He wouldve had 30+10 today if allowed to play a full game. A 7 footer who can shoot the mid range jumpshot the way the league is now is a weapon.
This player was devalued because of youth and the reality he wasnt used correctly in school. He has as much talent as anyone in the draft. He easily couldve been 12-12 the 3 shots he missed were right there. When you have a skilled athletic 7 footer who can shoot--you have to take look after look after look at him because there are so few.
for this guy to last to 24 was insane.

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7/9/2009  5:25 PM
so is this the first official NY screwed up going for the ready now low ceiling guy instead of trading down with the Bulls and taking Mullens and (insert name, mines is Jrue) post?

cuz if it is I agree a 150% but seb has yesterday's post about Hill bookmarked

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7/9/2009  5:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

BJ Mullens was is a top 5 talent in this draft. He wouldve had 30+10 today if allowed to play a full game. A 7 footer who can shoot the mid range jumpshot the way the league is now is a weapon.
This player was devalued because of youth and the reality he wasnt used correctly in school. He has as much talent as anyone in the draft. He easily couldve been 12-12 the 3 shots he missed were right there. When you have a skilled athletic 7 footer who can shoot--you have to take look after look after look at him because there are so few.
for this guy to last to 24 was insane.

I warned you, Briggs. I'm not playin' with you. Just couldnt help yourself, huh? Cant last one day?

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31704

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-09-2009 5:37 PM]
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Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.
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Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.
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7/9/2009  7:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.

Yeah from the other reviews I read him and Maynor are having a rough time showing that they are ready to run a team. I'm not that surprise by Holiday because he is young but Maynor is shocking.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

BJ Mullens was is a top 5 talent in this draft. He wouldve had 30+10 today if allowed to play a full game. A 7 footer who can shoot the mid range jumpshot the way the league is now is a weapon.
This player was devalued because of youth and the reality he wasnt used correctly in school. He has as much talent as anyone in the draft. He easily couldve been 12-12 the 3 shots he missed were right there. When you have a skilled athletic 7 footer who can shoot--you have to take look after look after look at him because there are so few.
for this guy to last to 24 was insane.

I warned you, Briggs. I'm not playin' with you. Just couldnt help yourself, huh? Cant last one day?

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31704

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-09-2009 5:37 PM]

I guess it all depends. If the Knicks thought that Jordan Hill was better than Mullens and either one of Brown Blair Gibson or Pendegraph --then they have a good point. To me Mullens was the ? of the draft. If you value athhletic 7-1 265 pds footers who can shoot and run--than maybe you pay attention a tad more. I think the KNicks made the conservative right choice at 8 but that doesnt mean by far that it was the best overall potential move. Now we hope Hill is good and I think he will be fairly good right away. Thats it

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-09-2009 9:31 PM]
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7/9/2009  9:41 PM
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.

Yeah from the other reviews I read him and Maynor are having a rough time showing that they are ready to run a team. I'm not that surprise by Holiday because he is young but Maynor is shocking.

Just from looking at the boxscores, Maynor has done great, but like I said that's just from looking at the boxscores. I believe his A/TO is 11/4 which ain't bad. 8ppg, 4rpg as well. I dunno, that seems pretty good to me.
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