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At 8 it is possible Hill was as good as it was going to be
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7/8/2009  11:26 AM
There will be players better than Hill--but after Evans and Curry --knowing that we might lose David Lee--Hill was the reasonable and right choice. I think the Knicks made a very fair and reasonable pick there unlike many years before--when you really get down to think about it. You cant reach at 8--it was either take that pick or move back. They took the pick and probably took the best guy there--there is no killing Knick management this year at the lottery--even if he doesnt pan out.
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7/8/2009  11:36 AM
Knicks got the best value pick at 8 for sure.
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7/8/2009  12:38 PM
all year and after the tourney Hill was rated 2-4 in EVERY mock draft out there.

Since the 2008 draft it went:
Griffen
then some order of Thabeet, Harden and Hill

And that lasted most of the year. When Tyreke Evens measured much bigger than most thought it opened eyes and put him in that mix. Then Rubio declared, and some of the other guards had good workouts and GMs started their love fest (Curry, Flynn).

Its a weak draft, but I see Hill as the next Kenyon Martin (taller). A core guy and key guy. Not the main horse but a two way player that fills out the stat sheet every night. Like Marion with the Suns, KMart with the Nets, Gasol with the Lakers, etc..

A great 2nd or 3rd guy that fits exactly into what we are building here.

Of course we need the first guy but he wasnt available and DW didnt want to give up Chandler to Wizards for a chance to draft Curry (remember the Kings were very high on him also).
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7/8/2009  12:57 PM
I agree with all you guys. I will also add in that the focus by the media is that we needed a guard. I'm a big proponent of drafting a PG to run your team. But when you look at our roster we had a lot of needs. Inside prescense on offense and defense was one of the biggest ones. Some fans are fooled by the media obsession with the PGs, but Hill fit a very big need.
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7/8/2009  1:17 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I agree with all you guys. I will also add in that the focus by the media is that we needed a guard. I'm a big proponent of drafting a PG to run your team. But when you look at our roster we had a lot of needs. Inside prescense on offense and defense was one of the biggest ones. Some fans are fooled by the media obsession with the PGs, but Hill fit a very big need.
not to mention the fact that we got the defensive player of the year and a guy who can really score the ball in Douglas. I know his PG experience is limited but he fills two big needs right out of the box.

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7/8/2009  1:18 PM
Hill was a very good pick. You got a top five talent at 8 which is a very good move by the Knicks to select Hill at 8. This kid looks like he might be a very good talent coming into the league.
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7/8/2009  1:24 PM
I'm intrigued by Hill and Douglas. I'd like to see them before I got excited however. In six days we'll get our chance to do just that.
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7/8/2009  1:42 PM
We really did go in with multiple needs. There's no way to have addressed all of them anyway. Yeah I would love to have grabbed a PG, but we did get a versatile Big that can at least alter shots and give us the much needed help defense we've lacked for so long. I also think that adding Douglas made the whole thing a bit more acceptable too. I think he's going to be a capable addition. He reminds me of Derek Fisher only more agile and aggressive on D. Short strong 2 guard that can also be a point. Very good shooter and a good leader. I'll take a Derek Fisher off the bench for this team going forward. Also don't overlook the fact that he was one of the fastest guards in the draft.

Back to Hill. I think his overall potential is just short of Amare. For one thing, their almost identical in terms of physical talents. I compared Amare when he came in and Hill and they're so close it's strange. I thought Amare was more explosive, but really Hill matches him pretty well in hops and speed. Amare is more agile. Once Hill hits the weight room I think he's gonna be a very close Amare clone for us.
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7/8/2009  1:49 PM
nixluva - good well thought post
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7/8/2009  2:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

There will be players better than Hill--but after Evans and Curry --knowing that we might lose David Lee--Hill was the reasonable and right choice. I think the Knicks made a very fair and reasonable pick there unlike many years before--when you really get down to think about it. You cant reach at 8--it was either take that pick or move back. They took the pick and probably took the best guy there--there is no killing Knick management this year at the lottery--even if he doesnt pan out.

I was really caught up in the point guard hype and did NOT like the Hill pick.

BUT -- after sitting on the pick a few days I started to think Hill maybe have been a BLESSING for us. We crave length, rebounding, shot-blocking and inside scoring....if anything Hill has the potential to bring these things with him.

It's possible that we get an absolute steal at #8 and if Douglas pans out --- BINGO.

Curry was tantalizing -- same with Rubio but bottom line if Hill is a player -- we may end up far better down the road.

Plus Hill and Douglas provide insurance and flexibility in case of Nate or Lee departures.
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Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:

There will be players better than Hill--but after Evans and Curry --knowing that we might lose David Lee--Hill was the reasonable and right choice. I think the Knicks made a very fair and reasonable pick there unlike many years before--when you really get down to think about it. You cant reach at 8--it was either take that pick or move back. They took the pick and probably took the best guy there--there is no killing Knick management this year at the lottery--even if he doesnt pan out.

I was really caught up in the point guard hype and did NOT like the Hill pick.

BUT -- after sitting on the pick a few days I started to think Hill maybe have been a BLESSING for us. We crave length, rebounding, shot-blocking and inside scoring....if anything Hill has the potential to bring these things with him.

It's possible that we get an absolute steal at #8 and if Douglas pans out --- BINGO.

Curry was tantalizing -- same with Rubio but bottom line if Hill is a player -- we may end up far better down the road.

Plus Hill and Douglas provide insurance and flexibility in case of Nate or Lee departures.

Curry was my favorite player in the draft. I loved watching him in college and was dying for us to get him. That being said his talent isn't so tantalizing that we needed to make a trade to move up to get him. Especially when he and Hill were available at 7. They were both talented. Both filled a need. And neither is a sure thing. I think the media has just done a good job at once again helping some of us hate every move we make. If you read the media all the players we wanted were gone and we just had to settle on Hill. The reality is we got a player with as much of a chance of success as anyone in this draft. And we got him at 8.
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7/8/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:

There will be players better than Hill--but after Evans and Curry --knowing that we might lose David Lee--Hill was the reasonable and right choice. I think the Knicks made a very fair and reasonable pick there unlike many years before--when you really get down to think about it. You cant reach at 8--it was either take that pick or move back. They took the pick and probably took the best guy there--there is no killing Knick management this year at the lottery--even if he doesnt pan out.

I was really caught up in the point guard hype and did NOT like the Hill pick.

BUT -- after sitting on the pick a few days I started to think Hill maybe have been a BLESSING for us. We crave length, rebounding, shot-blocking and inside scoring....if anything Hill has the potential to bring these things with him.

It's possible that we get an absolute steal at #8 and if Douglas pans out --- BINGO.

Curry was tantalizing -- same with Rubio but bottom line if Hill is a player -- we may end up far better down the road.

Plus Hill and Douglas provide insurance and flexibility in case of Nate or Lee departures.

Curry was my favorite player in the draft. I loved watching him in college and was dying for us to get him. That being said his talent isn't so tantalizing that we needed to make a trade to move up to get him. Especially when he and Hill were available at 7. They were both talented. Both filled a need. And neither is a sure thing. I think the media has just done a good job at once again helping some of us hate every move we make. If you read the media all the players we wanted were gone and we just had to settle on Hill. The reality is we got a player with as much of a chance of success as anyone in this draft. And we got him at 8.

I like Tyreke--I thought he was the second best player by a wide margin. Once he went I was slightly letdown--I really thought we would have a chance and to throw some more stones Curry lasts until 7. So what are you going to do at that point?
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7/8/2009  3:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

There will be players better than Hill--but after Evans and Curry --knowing that we might lose David Lee--Hill was the reasonable and right choice. I think the Knicks made a very fair and reasonable pick there unlike many years before--when you really get down to think about it. You cant reach at 8--it was either take that pick or move back. They took the pick and probably took the best guy there--there is no killing Knick management this year at the lottery--even if he doesnt pan out.

Hey dude! Imma bookmark this thread and bust it out every time you go ape shyt whenever one of your draft favs has a good game.
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7/8/2009  3:49 PM
Posted by nixluva:

We really did go in with multiple needs. There's no way to have addressed all of them anyway. Yeah I would love to have grabbed a PG, but we did get a versatile Big that can at least alter shots and give us the much needed help defense we've lacked for so long. I also think that adding Douglas made the whole thing a bit more acceptable too. I think he's going to be a capable addition. He reminds me of Derek Fisher only more agile and aggressive on D. Short strong 2 guard that can also be a point. Very good shooter and a good leader. I'll take a Derek Fisher off the bench for this team going forward. Also don't overlook the fact that he was one of the fastest guards in the draft.

Back to Hill. I think his overall potential is just short of Amare. For one thing, their almost identical in terms of physical talents. I compared Amare when he came in and Hill and they're so close it's strange. I thought Amare was more explosive, but really Hill matches him pretty well in hops and speed. Amare is more agile. Once Hill hits the weight room I think he's gonna be a very close Amare clone for us.

I agree with the whole post except regarding Hill's defense. He has been known to blow defensive assignments. Don't let the blocked shots fool you. That said, it's nice to add shotblocking to the interior (finally). Between him and Darko the team won't continue being dead last in that category.
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7/8/2009  4:04 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:

There will be players better than Hill--but after Evans and Curry --knowing that we might lose David Lee--Hill was the reasonable and right choice. I think the Knicks made a very fair and reasonable pick there unlike many years before--when you really get down to think about it. You cant reach at 8--it was either take that pick or move back. They took the pick and probably took the best guy there--there is no killing Knick management this year at the lottery--even if he doesnt pan out.

Hey dude! Imma bookmark this thread and bust it out every time you go ape shyt whenever one of your draft favs has a good game.



[Edited by - TMS on 07-08-2009 1:05 PM]
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7/8/2009  6:44 PM
Hill will have a more immediate impact than one of the point guards we could have taken - even Curry because it is easier to come into the league as a PF than a PG. The PG has to lead and control the team, make quick decisions; know the opponents weaknesses and exploit them; know your own teammates, etc. All gained by experience. It is very rare that a PG comes into the league and dominates (except CP3) especially if they are young and/or haven't mainly played point.

Hill, with his skill set and athletic ability, will contribute more quickly. He still has a lot to learn, especially on defense, but I feel he will fit into the Knick style of play very quickly and give us our money's worth right away.
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7/8/2009  8:47 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nixluva:

We really did go in with multiple needs. There's no way to have addressed all of them anyway. Yeah I would love to have grabbed a PG, but we did get a versatile Big that can at least alter shots and give us the much needed help defense we've lacked for so long. I also think that adding Douglas made the whole thing a bit more acceptable too. I think he's going to be a capable addition. He reminds me of Derek Fisher only more agile and aggressive on D. Short strong 2 guard that can also be a point. Very good shooter and a good leader. I'll take a Derek Fisher off the bench for this team going forward. Also don't overlook the fact that he was one of the fastest guards in the draft.

Back to Hill. I think his overall potential is just short of Amare. For one thing, their almost identical in terms of physical talents. I compared Amare when he came in and Hill and they're so close it's strange. I thought Amare was more explosive, but really Hill matches him pretty well in hops and speed. Amare is more agile. Once Hill hits the weight room I think he's gonna be a very close Amare clone for us.

I agree with the whole post except regarding Hill's defense. He has been known to blow defensive assignments. Don't let the blocked shots fool you. That said, it's nice to add shotblocking to the interior (finally). Between him and Darko the team won't continue being dead last in that category.

I never actually said that Hill was a good all around defender. All I mentioned was that he could at the least alter some shots, which we need. I think he'll learn to play team defense just fine. To me missing assignments is about better prep and concentration. What would worry me is if they said he was lazy or didn't try on D. Instead he's a energy guy and loves to run. I'll take that and work with him to be a better positional and team defender. Heck he can't be any worse than Amare has been. LOL
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7/8/2009  10:47 PM
I have mixed feelings about Hill. What I see is a good rebounder, a very good athlete, mediocre offensive and defensive skills and a guy who doesn't sound that bright. I think he'll be a decent player and, I'm aware that there wasn't a lot else there, so I don't think it's a bad pick. I think DeRozan was the way to go. He's younger and will take more time to develop, but in the end DeRozan will be a better player than Hill.
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7/8/2009  11:44 PM
Im really excited to see Hill play in the summer league

Any predictions on how well he'll do

Im going to say he averages -- 12 ppg , 8rpg, 2 bpg, 6 fouls
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7/8/2009  11:55 PM
I can't see how anybody could honestly judge how he will do until we actually see him play. I think it's more hope than fact, and I'm part of the hope team.
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