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10/1/2009  9:09 AM
Day 2 Morning
- Danilo Gallinari shouldn't be chest-bumping or ass-bumping anybody, if you ask me. Gotta protect that back. Stick with the classic high five.

- Darko Milicic is, as many have said before, a very strong lefty. He prefers to finish left on either side of the rim, and isn't the most ambidextrous of dribblers.

- Eddy Curry wasn't present today because of that strained calf.

- Jordan Hill, for all his youthful pitfalls, runs the floor like a pro. He's fast for a big guy, and appears to be pretty well-conditioned. These full-court drills look absolutely exhausting, but Jordan was able to keep up at full speed. He also looked much more adept at stopping on a dime and hitting the short jumper today.

- Al Harrington and Jared Jeffries made a point of screaming "AHHH!! AHHH!!" and "IT HURTS!!!" while doing the strength drills on balance balls.

Couple things I forgot to mention from yesterday: The players have personalized smoothies with their names on them, each calibrated to fit their nutritional needs and flavor preferences. In the lost interviews, Warren Carter told me his was peanut butter flavored, and Darko Milicic said his was made of "English fruit", whatever that is. Sun Yue's, incidentally, was labeled "#32, CUTTINO MOBLEY". He didn't seem to mind. (Insert "I drink your milshake!" joke here.)

- Also last night, I overheard Eddy Curry and Chris Duhon discussing how strenuous Mike D'Antoni's full-court drills were. Both agreed that it was harder than anything Scott Skiles had ever made them do.


Day 1 Evening
Day 1 of training camp is finished, and I just got to watch about an hour of five-on-five scrimmaging. I did a couple interviews which I'll probably post very early tomorrow morning. In the meantime, I'll type up these notes for y'all and tell you what I saw:

Eddy Curry- You've probably already read it elsewhere, but Eddy appeared to aggravate his injured right calf while grabbing a rebound. He limped off the floor about ten minutes into scrimmages and didn't return. He said it's just a strain and he's day-to-day.

Danilo Gallinari- Gallo kept moving well in the full-court scrimmages, and continued to show off his offensive repertoire. He wasn't all that active off the ball, but after a catch he wasn't just settling for jumpers. There were a couple nice fakes and dribbles for short jumpers, a spinning lefty layup (that rimmed out), and a couple vicious dunks, including one complete facial on Jordan Hill (prompting David Lee to put his thumb to his forehead and yell "The Rooster!"). As for the jump shot, Gallo wasn't quite as automatic as he'd been in practice. He missed a few early, and angrily ripped the bandage off his right hand following one brick. It's not like he was shooting poorly, though. Anything less than perfection from the field surprises me when it comes to Gallinari. I did get a chance to see the cut on his hand up close and it ain't no scratch.

Alan Hahn mentioned to me earlier that he envisions Gallinari as more of a shooting guard than a forward, and he might very well be on to something. On defense, Gallo spent a lot of time guarding the likes of Joe Crawford, and on offense he pretty much chilled outside the arc and waited for a pass. Sounds like a two-guard to me.


Wilson Chandler- Chandler, meanwhile, seems to be fancying himself more and more a forward. He caught plenty of passes at the perimeter, but didn't just hoist up threes. Wil attacked the basket at times, swung the ball at others, and shot when he was open. That's a good sign from someone who's been accused of being a bit of a chucker.

Larry Hughes: Speaking of which, Hughes forced more than a couple threes and just couldn't connect. He was also a little lazy with his passes. But hey, go get 'em tomorrow, Larry.

Jordan Hill- Hill's game looks very much like it did in summer league (duh). He runs the floor well and generally knows what to do with the ball. It's when he goes up to shoot that problems emerge. His takeoff is slow, indirect, and sort of feeble, and he got his shot armpit-blocked more than once. The flipside of it is that he'll probably draw a lot of fouls.

Toney Douglas- Toney's shot looked much nicer than it did in Vegas. He swished a couple threes, and tried out that righty floater as well. He obviously wasn't handling the ball nearly as much as he did this summer, but looked steady and confident when doing so. Toney also stuffed a Gallinari jumper, which would be awesome if it weren't blasphemy.

Al Harrington- Al looked his best this evening. His jumpers were falling, but he didn't rely solely on that. Instead, when faced with a mismatch, he would bully his defender right down to the rim. Sun Yue, for instance, just didn't have a chance.

Sun Yue- Give Sun credit, though, for being pretty goddamn silky with the ball His form looked solid, and his handles completely defy his size. I'd guess that one of the reasons he hasn't made it quite yet (besides the aforementioned weight disadvantage) is that his English isn't great, and he keeps pretty much to himself throughout these things. At first glance, though, I'd say he's got a shot.

Joe Crawford- I'd be able to tell you more about Joe Crawford's performance if I hadn't been admiring his beard (which is now cut short) the whole time. Might have to solicit some grooming tips.

Jared Jeffries- I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but let's just say a whole pod of seals died this evening.

David Lee- At this point, we pretty much know what to expect from Lee. He does appear to be making a more concerted effort to block shots, though. I also saw him nail 4 of 5 threes in practice.

Nate Robinson- Nate is, as you'd expect, the most animated and energetic player on the floor. He talks to everybody, including teammates, refs, and himself. That said, I didn't get many notes on Nate's play. I'll key in on him next time around.

Chris Duhon- Same deal. Threw a couple nice passes off the pick-and-roll, but I didn't get much else.

Darko Milicic- Darko set a lot of picks, but wasn't getting his touches when he rolled. It was frustrating for both of us, because we both wanna know if that jumper's gonna fall in a game setting. For his part, Darko took it in stride and didn't shred any clothing.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/1/2009  9:22 AM
Thanks, excellent reading

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10/1/2009  9:28 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

- Jordan Hill, for all his youthful pitfalls, runs the floor like a pro. He's fast for a big guy, and appears to be pretty well-conditioned. These full-court drills look absolutely exhausting, but Jordan was able to keep up at full speed. He also looked much more adept at stopping on a dime and hitting the short jumper today.

yes. i like this guy and really want him to do well. he could be huge for us in more ways than one.
Sun Yue- Give Sun credit, though, for being pretty goddamn silky with the ball His form looked solid, and his handles completely defy his size. I'd guess that one of the reasons he hasn't made it quite yet (besides the aforementioned weight disadvantage) is that his English isn't great, and he keeps pretty much to himself throughout these things. At first glance, though, I'd say he's got a shot.
i think it's becoming more and more obvious to everyone that sun will indeed rise in new york. the new favorite knick is in development stage.
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10/1/2009  9:34 AM
This is the best news that PT has from camp so far
- Jordan Hill, for all his youthful pitfalls, runs the floor like a pro. He's fast for a big guy, and appears to be pretty well-conditioned. These full-court drills look absolutely exhausting, but Jordan was able to keep up at full speed. He also looked much more adept at stopping on a dime and hitting the short jumper today.

Hill looked winded a lot during SL, so this is good news that his conditioning won't be a constant issue.

However, this is the news I was afraid of hearing
It's when he goes up to shoot that problems emerge. His takeoff is slow, indirect, and sort of feeble, and he got his shot armpit-blocked more than once. The flipside of it is that he'll probably draw a lot of fouls.

Hearing that Gallo is dunking on people is also amusing and good to hear at the same time.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/1/2009  10:28 AM
- Darko Milicic is, as many have said before, a very strong lefty. He prefers to finish left on either side of the rim, and isn't the most ambidextrous of dribblers.

Sun Yue- Give Sun credit, though, for being pretty goddamn silky with the ball His form looked solid, and his handles completely defy his size. I'd guess that one of the reasons he hasn't made it quite yet (besides the aforementioned weight disadvantage) is that his English isn't great, and he keeps pretty much to himself throughout these things. At first glance, though, I'd say he's got a shot.

Aside from Gallo, Darko and Sun are 2 players I can't wait to see in the pre-season.
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10/1/2009  10:36 AM
If Gallo is indeed a 2, along with Darko and the Sun, the team is getting BIG and athletic. MDA euro style!
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10/1/2009  10:52 AM
Posted by Nalod:

If Gallo is indeed a 2, along with Darko and the Sun, the team is getting BIG and athletic. MDA euro style!

Let's be honest, if Yue makes it he'll never play. Not over Duhon, Nate or Douglas. I like Yue. I think he has potential but the PG position is actually kind of crowded now. And no I don't consider Nate a PG but he can only play this position because of his size.
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10/1/2009  10:57 AM
You might of touched on something there though GKF

If Sun is at the point, and Nate is at the 2, then you don't have nearly the size disadvantage that we normally do when he's on the floor.

Same with Hughes, but he comes with a lot of fundamental problems.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/1/2009  10:58 AM
Is Yue a poor shooter?
Avg or below avg athlete?
And how tall?
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10/1/2009  11:07 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You might of touched on something there though GKF

If Sun is at the point, and Nate is at the 2, then you don't have nearly the size disadvantage that we normally do when he's on the floor.

Same with Hughes, but he comes with a lot of fundamental problems.

Great point. MDA can play Sun and Nate in the backcourt together and mismatches are gone. Nate can guard the PG and play SG when in offense.
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10/1/2009  11:09 AM
Posted by purple012870:

Is Yue a poor shooter?
Avg or below avg athlete?
And how tall?

Not a great shot. Very good defender in that he can block shots and has movement. His lack of strength will not be an issue in the perimeter. Very good handle and great vision. He is 6'9".
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10/1/2009  11:25 AM
I have no idea if Sun can play. I was pining for Tyreke or Holiday in the draft so that we could do something similar.

Lakers did have a lot of back-court depth, but he should have been able to get a little burn.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/1/2009  11:41 AM
Is Yue like 24 years old? Potential? Can he finish a break effective?

Nate should be a defensive terror with his ability. He can press and get the ball out of the hands of many.

We can do this with Darko getting back to cover in a trapping defense.
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10/1/2009  4:15 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I have no idea if Sun can play. I was pining for Tyreke or Holiday in the draft so that we could do something similar.

Lakers did have a lot of back-court depth, but he should have been able to get a little burn.
He got a very little bit of time in LA and I think it's totally unrealistic to believe he could crack that rotation with all the talent they have and being a title contender. It just wasn't a good spot for Yue. Here at least he's got a shot to get on the floor more than he ever would in LA. It's gonna be tough for anyone outside of our returning core group to get on the floor. He's young and cheap, so I like his chances to stick around and develop. He just gives a coach more options.
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10/1/2009  4:19 PM
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10/1/2009  4:37 PM


At about the 4:30 mark Sun is playing against the Balkman led Knicks at the Summer League.

Otherwise, its a pretty sad reel that is mostly chest passes to wide open guys and layups.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/1/2009  4:38 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Nalod:

If Gallo is indeed a 2, along with Darko and the Sun, the team is getting BIG and athletic. MDA euro style!

Let's be honest, if Yue makes it he'll never play. Not over Duhon, Nate or Douglas. I like Yue. I think he has potential but the PG position is actually kind of crowded now. And no I don't consider Nate a PG but he can only play this position because of his size.

I'm not sure dude. I think if Sun makes it, it means he had a great camp and I still see no reason why Duhon should have the PG wrapped up and locked down - he was OK last year. Sun has something that Duhon and no other PG on the team has and that's length and versatility. We know D'Antoni builds his teams on that, so we'll see.

Sun could have a terrible camp and render all this moot, but we'll see.
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10/1/2009  5:04 PM
Sun Yue - Looks like a poor man's...or maybe homeless man's Jalen Rose type player.
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10/1/2009  8:45 PM
Don't forget about the Sun Yue Thread for more video and insight on my new Camp Favorite!

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32340

He seems like the perfect MDA player. Versatile, high BB IQ, GOOD PASSER, Athletic with good size and handle. I mean come on, the guy has a 34" vert and dribbles like a PG at 6-9.
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10/1/2009  9:08 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Don't forget about the Sun Yue Thread for more video and insight on my new Camp Favorite!

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32340

He seems like the perfect MDA player. Versatile, high BB IQ, GOOD PASSER, Athletic with good size and handle. I mean come on, the guy has a 34" vert and dribbles like a PG at 6-9.

If he could find a shot, maybe. I understand he can't shoot a lick.
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