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6/26/2009  9:56 AM
the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.
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6/26/2009  10:07 AM

I see starting threads.

I see Toney Douglas as being better then Sessions, cheaper, and can shoot.

I see Dead People.
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6/26/2009  10:11 AM
Help a brother out and put it in my thread Briggs
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31500

I am thinking the same thing though... (Barring a trade for Rubio, Flynn, Bayless (for Lee?), or something along those lines.
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6/26/2009  10:11 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.
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6/26/2009  10:19 AM
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the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.

Like I said above--Jason Kidd had a great career without a J. Sessions is a 6'3 22/23YO pass first PG who can score rebound and defend. If you look at all of the PGs in the draft--they will have a hard time being better than Sessions. When he gets PT he is a big time producer.
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6/26/2009  10:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.

Like I said above--Jason Kidd had a great career without a J. Sessions is a 6'3 22/23YO pass first PG who can score rebound and defend. If you look at all of the PGs in the draft--they will have a hard time being better than Sessions. When he gets PT he is a big time producer.

fair enough. i don't see it happening though, honestly. i see making a play for Nash the bigger priority and having Nash and Duhon be a sort of two-headed beast.
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6/26/2009  10:22 AM
Nash gets a buy out mid year. He sells tickets in PHX.
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6/26/2009  10:24 AM
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the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.

Like I said above--Jason Kidd had a great career without a J. Sessions is a 6'3 22/23YO pass first PG who can score rebound and defend. If you look at all of the PGs in the draft--they will have a hard time being better than Sessions. When he gets PT he is a big time producer.

fair enough. i don't see it happening though, honestly. i see making a play for Nash the bigger priority and having Nash and Duhon be a sort of two-headed beast.

We have a good deal of younger players--I wouldnt go for an older guard like that unless it was for a back up. Sessions is up and coming with a long career ahead of him
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6/26/2009  10:24 AM
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Nash gets a buy out mid year. He sells tickets in PHX.

i could see them trading him at the deadline. probably not to us, though we do have a ton of expiring deals obviously, but i really think he'll be here in the summer of 2010.
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6/26/2009  10:28 AM
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the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.

Like I said above--Jason Kidd had a great career without a J. Sessions is a 6'3 22/23YO pass first PG who can score rebound and defend. If you look at all of the PGs in the draft--they will have a hard time being better than Sessions. When he gets PT he is a big time producer.

fair enough. i don't see it happening though, honestly. i see making a play for Nash the bigger priority and having Nash and Duhon be a sort of two-headed beast.

We have a good deal of younger players--I wouldnt go for an older guard like that unless it was for a back up. Sessions is up and coming with a long career ahead of him

pretty sure milwaukee traded jefferson so they could sign sessions and villaneuva. isn't sessions RFA? can't they just match on him?
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6/26/2009  10:43 AM
Ronnie Price should be our free agent pg target, the kid from Utah
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the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.

Like I said above--Jason Kidd had a great career without a J. Sessions is a 6'3 22/23YO pass first PG who can score rebound and defend. If you look at all of the PGs in the draft--they will have a hard time being better than Sessions. When he gets PT he is a big time producer.

fair enough. i don't see it happening though, honestly. i see making a play for Nash the bigger priority and having Nash and Duhon be a sort of two-headed beast.

We have a good deal of younger players--I wouldnt go for an older guard like that unless it was for a back up. Sessions is up and coming with a long career ahead of him

pretty sure milwaukee traded jefferson so they could sign sessions and villaneuva. isn't sessions RFA? can't they just match on him?

I dont think so crxyz--they have Ridnour Jennings and Bell--they still have to sign CV--are they going toi carry 4 small guards at that price?
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6/26/2009  10:47 AM
The biggest mistake Donnie has made in his tenure so far was turning down that Nate Robinson/Jefferies trade at the deadline.

Nate is going to walk for nothing. We aren't getting a single asset for him. He will get a MLE from some team - no team will trade for him - they know there is no way we will match, our bargaining position is nil. Even though we should match and move them at the trading deadline, we won't.

If we had traded him at last deadline we could have maybe gotten pick 23 included (which could have been BJ Mullens). Also, our record would be worse and we'd get the 7th pick easily, or maybe the 5th? and then we get Curry or Rubio.

Instead? We still have no Nate, we still have Jefferies, we don't have Curry or Rubio and we have very little hope.
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Posted by crzymdups:

The biggest mistake Donnie has made in his tenure so far was turning down that Nate Robinson/Jefferies trade at the deadline.

Nate is going to walk for nothing. We aren't getting a single asset for him. He will get a MLE from some team - no team will trade for him - they know there is no way we will match, our bargaining position is nil. Even though we should match and move them at the trading deadline, we won't.

If we had traded him at last deadline we could have maybe gotten pick 23 included (which could have been BJ Mullens). Also, our record would be worse and we'd get the 7th pick easily, or maybe the 5th? and then we get Curry or Rubio.

Instead? We still have no Nate, we still have Jefferies, we don't have Curry or Rubio and we have very little hope.

same goes for lee. if he lets both go for nothing... hey, we still got jj and a curry.
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6/26/2009  11:34 AM
He made a number of mistakes so far, but those are the two biggest. Nate had to go if we weren't going to resign him and it would have meant 7 million in savings next season. Lee should have been moved or both with Curry to get rid of his contract.

He almost ****ed up the zach deal by not taking it sooner and we didn't need to take back another contract and have to put up with larry hughes for another season.

This kid better be good and gallo better heal, because he missed allstars last year.
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6/26/2009  11:45 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

The biggest mistake Donnie has made in his tenure so far was turning down that Nate Robinson/Jefferies trade at the deadline.

Nate is going to walk for nothing. We aren't getting a single asset for him. He will get a MLE from some team - no team will trade for him - they know there is no way we will match, our bargaining position is nil. Even though we should match and move them at the trading deadline, we won't.

If we had traded him at last deadline we could have maybe gotten pick 23 included (which could have been BJ Mullens). Also, our record would be worse and we'd get the 7th pick easily, or maybe the 5th? and then we get Curry or Rubio.

Instead? We still have no Nate, we still have Jefferies, we don't have Curry or Rubio and we have very little hope.
DW said that was never on the plate. based on him giving away Zach and Crawford for crap when the Knicks were actually winning games just for cap space dont you think he would have pulled the trigger on that?

I'm thinking that deal wasnt as advertised if it was anything at all.

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6/26/2009  11:51 AM
fish - If I recall the rumor was Zach for a 2nd round pick. Not too long after the Clippers traded a 2nd round pick for Marcus Camby.

The point of contention is whether or not the Clippers demanded a 1st round pick from us as compensation for Zach's 2011 year.

Other than that the framework was indeed Zach for a 2nd rounder - as the alternative trade consummated by the Clippers was... Camby for a 2nd rounder.

All moot now but I do agree we should have shipped Nate and Jeffries for Kenny Thomas. Those who also wonder if that was a real trade to be had - just recall that the NBA granted the Kings and Knicks an extension past the trade deadline to try to hammer out a deal. Donnie pulled out. Again, we don't know if there was more to the trade that made Donnie say no.

Lee on the other hand should have been moved for a decent 1st round pick and maybe a 2010 player. I think that could have been done.

Well, back to reality, we have both players either seeking offer sheets, agreeing to the QO if we extend it, or being S&T'd. There's options it's not like we're screwed and Donnie has proven to be able to come back and make a deal time and again.

Not really worried and won't be until there's something to actually be worried about.
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6/26/2009  11:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

The biggest mistake Donnie has made in his tenure so far was turning down that Nate Robinson/Jefferies trade at the deadline.

Nate is going to walk for nothing. We aren't getting a single asset for him. He will get a MLE from some team - no team will trade for him - they know there is no way we will match, our bargaining position is nil. Even though we should match and move them at the trading deadline, we won't.

If we had traded him at last deadline we could have maybe gotten pick 23 included (which could have been BJ Mullens). Also, our record would be worse and we'd get the 7th pick easily, or maybe the 5th? and then we get Curry or Rubio.

Instead? We still have no Nate, we still have Jefferies, we don't have Curry or Rubio and we have very little hope.
DW said that was never on the plate. based on him giving away Zach and Crawford for crap when the Knicks were actually winning games just for cap space dont you think he would have pulled the trigger on that?

I'm thinking that deal wasnt as advertised if it was anything at all.

i sure hope so. because it really seems like they are going to have to let nate walk for nothing.
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6/26/2009  12:04 PM
I see a new thread being posted every time you want to post a comment, even though you could have just posted it under an existing thread

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31500
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Posted by BRIGGS:
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the full MLE. It's an opportunity to get a young solid PG to a good price.

he can't shoot though.

Like I said above--Jason Kidd had a great career without a J. Sessions is a 6'3 22/23YO pass first PG who can score rebound and defend. If you look at all of the PGs in the draft--they will have a hard time being better than Sessions. When he gets PT he is a big time producer.

fair enough. i don't see it happening though, honestly. i see making a play for Nash the bigger priority and having Nash and Duhon be a sort of two-headed beast.

We have a good deal of younger players--I wouldnt go for an older guard like that unless it was for a back up. Sessions is up and coming with a long career ahead of him

pretty sure milwaukee traded jefferson so they could sign sessions and villaneuva. isn't sessions RFA? can't they just match on him?

I dont think so crxyz--they have Ridnour Jennings and Bell--they still have to sign CV--are they going toi carry 4 small guards at that price?

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