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4/12/2006  8:59 AM
April 12, 2006 -- Larry Brown said as recently as Monday night the Knicks still need a pure point guard next season. And there's a famous one right in the Knicks' backyard.

Jay Williams, the former Duke star mounting a vigorous comeback attempt following a June 2003 motorcycle accident, is on the Knicks' radar, according to an industry source.

Williams, 24, the second overall pick of the 2002 draft, has been practicing at Basketball City at Chelsea Piers and also in Houston, along with ex-Knick Penny Hardaway.

Williams is looking to get invited to a summer-league team this July with plans of playing in the NBA next season, three years after tearing three ligaments in his left knee and severing a nerve in his leg.

The Knicks - who next play tomorrow night, at Cleveland - will play in the summer league in Las Vegas.

The 6-foot-2 PG out of Plainfield, N.J., is friends with Garden prez Steve Mills back from their Team USA days. Williams has attended a couple of Knick games in the past month, sitting in lower-level seats by the tunnel, where president Isiah Thomas hangs.

The Knicks have yet to work out Williams but could do so after the season ends in one week. Brown is looking for a character guy, a charismatic leader who can be an extension of himself on the court and an ally in the locker room.

The disgraceful scene in the locker room Monday night after getting blown out by Indiana - players laughing, joking and being loud - showed the desperate need to bring in guys with pride, who take winning and losing seriously.

Williams had a rep as one of the brightest guys entering the league in 2002. He showed promise as a rookie, averaging 9.5 points and 4.7 assists. Then the horrifying motorcycle accident postponed his career.

Williams is able to dunk again - a good sign his athleticism has returned. The Knicks have five talented guards, none of whom is the prototypical PG Brown seeks.

When free agency begins July 1, the Knicks are expected to go after Hornet point guard Speedy Claxton with their $5 million mid-level. Claxton may look to leave the Hornets because he will forever be backup to Rookie of the Year shoo-in Chris Paul.

Claxton, though, is being cited as a Sixth Man of the Year candidate, and the Knicks might have a lot of competition since the PG market is weak. On the Knicks' side is that Claxton is a former Hofstra guard and a Hempstead native who played for Brown with the Sixers for two seasons.

Claxton and Williams have the same agent, Bill Duffy, who did not return phone calls.

Steve Francis' comments Monday night in Indiana, blaming his awful start as a Knick on fluctuating minutes while taking no responsibility, could hurt his standing with Brown again.

"Stevie Franchise" has turned into "Stevie Fusspot." He has been sloppy with the ball, his unorthodox outside shot has been an eyesore and his defense has been mediocre. So he's fit in well with Team Titanic (22-55).

Francis, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford can play the point but not in the traditional way Brown likes. Neither Francis nor Marbury will have much trade value this summer, though Minnesota's yen for Marbury might be enough to make a deal.

Marbury may have played his last game as a Knick. He appears unwilling to play through pain for Brown, repeatedly saying he'll only return when his sore knee "feels better." Marbury played through knee pain all last season for Lenny Wilkens and Herb Williams as he constructed a 280 games-played streak.

Today might be the season's last practice, and if Marbury does not participate, it seems highly unlikely he'll be back for any of the final five games.
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4/12/2006  10:04 AM
That works for me, the guy I wanted back in 2002. If he can play bb again, great. I heard rumors that he looks pretty good and has been real serious about his rehab, which is refreshing to hear.
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4/12/2006  10:08 AM
low risk, high reward move, for a kid with a lot of character...... I would do it in a heartbeat...
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4/12/2006  10:09 AM
one logistical question....WHERE ARE THE ROSTER SPOTS?!?!?!?!?
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4/12/2006  10:19 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

one logistical question....WHERE ARE THE ROSTER SPOTS?!?!?!?!?

well, I don't expect that both Woods and Butler will be back. Also, no one can honestly believe that the 10 day contract handed out to that CBA guy was for long term. Isiah or someone will have to move either or both Marbury and Francis in the off-season (I am not buying that neither has any trade value, they always say that about Knick players then when they get traded it likes man, we were lucky to get him.) Francis, I know has good trade value among gms and coaches, Brown is not that respected around the league as far as moral character, many gms and scouts know that he was to blame for part of this mess. Lakers and Cleveland really wanted him badly at the trading deadline but didn't have expiring contracts to offer the Magic. I am pretty sure if the Knicks seriously want to trade Francis to the Lakers for Odom, that "Kupcake" will jump at the opportunity. Marbury trade value is in Minn, so you will have to take back a lot of garbage to boot. But those are teams that I know has interest.
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4/12/2006  10:20 AM
we're buying out marbury aren't we??
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4/12/2006  10:33 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

one logistical question....WHERE ARE THE ROSTER SPOTS?!?!?!?!?

well, I don't expect that both Woods and Butler will be back. Also, no one can honestly believe that the 10 day contract handed out to that CBA guy was for long term. Isiah or someone will have to move either or both Marbury and Francis in the off-season (I am not buying that neither has any trade value, they always say that about Knick players then when they get traded it likes man, we were lucky to get him.) Francis, I know has good trade value among gms and coaches, Brown is not that respected around the league as far as moral character, many gms and scouts know that he was to blame for part of this mess. Lakers and Cleveland really wanted him badly at the trading deadline but didn't have expiring contracts to offer the Magic. I am pretty sure if the Knicks seriously want to trade Francis to the Lakers for Odom, that "Kupcake" will jump at the opportunity. Marbury trade value is in Minn, so you will have to take back a lot of garbage to boot. But those are teams that I know has interest.
and what a travesty that would be.

This is part of the reason we need a new GM, so we can accept that mistakes have been made and undo them. If that means buy outs than buy outs it is.

At this point I will take ANY thing back for James, Francis and Marbury that has fewer years on it, even if it just to buy that or those players out in a cost cutting move. I'm cutting Mo black hole Taylor and leaving Rose around until the deadline, and if he's not traded then I'm cutting him also

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4/12/2006  10:39 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

one logistical question....WHERE ARE THE ROSTER SPOTS?!?!?!?!?

well, I don't expect that both Woods and Butler will be back. Also, no one can honestly believe that the 10 day contract handed out to that CBA guy was for long term. Isiah or someone will have to move either or both Marbury and Francis in the off-season (I am not buying that neither has any trade value, they always say that about Knick players then when they get traded it likes man, we were lucky to get him.) Francis, I know has good trade value among gms and coaches, Brown is not that respected around the league as far as moral character, many gms and scouts know that he was to blame for part of this mess. Lakers and Cleveland really wanted him badly at the trading deadline but didn't have expiring contracts to offer the Magic. I am pretty sure if the Knicks seriously want to trade Francis to the Lakers for Odom, that "Kupcake" will jump at the opportunity. Marbury trade value is in Minn, so you will have to take back a lot of garbage to boot. But those are teams that I know has interest.
and what a travesty that would be.

This is part of the reason we need a new GM, so we can accept that mistakes have been made and undo them. If that means buy outs than buy outs it is.

At this point I will take ANY thing back for James, Francis and Marbury that has fewer years on it, even if it just to buy that or those players out in a cost cutting move. I'm cutting Mo black hole Taylor and leaving Rose around until the deadline, and if he's not traded then I'm cutting him also

not only that...how can we expect any other gm to have legitimate discussions with isiah without demanding the world? just b/c a gm asks for 15 draft picks and isiah settles for 5, doesn't mean isiah negotiated well or got a bargain.
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4/12/2006  10:45 AM
yea... its bad.
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4/12/2006  10:47 AM
udoka will be gone, I expect both butler and Q woods back, like fish said, we can trade marbs and francis and then cut some of the junk we get back in a trade. buy out Mo Taylor and jalen since their contracts expire anyway. Jay williams is the kind of guy you take a chance on, because you know if he doesn't do well, it isn't because he isn't working hard, it is just physical, and that makes judging talent a lot easier..
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4/12/2006  10:57 AM
I'm so sick of the expiring contracts are an asset. If anything I think they are a liability with this management. Lets just get hungry guys that want to play.

How ironic would it be if next year our PGs were Jay Williams and Jamal Crawford. Add Nate to that, or Marcus Banks (my first choice)
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4/12/2006  11:08 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I'm so sick of the expiring contracts are an asset. If anything I think they are a liability with this management. Lets just get hungry guys that want to play.

How ironic would it be if next year our PGs were Jay Williams and Jamal Crawford. Add Nate to that, or Marcus Banks (my first choice)



I agree fish, expiring deals have killed us. I think the knicks will be best served by getting guys like jay williams and Banks, and turning the team over to craw, frye and reluctantly curry. Let these guys go at it, I mean can they be any worse than 22 wins? I think these guys can win games, they are young, talented and add in good chemistry and who knows. I say keep Q rich around, he is a young vet who has been through both winning and losing as well as keep malik. I can do without, francis, marbury, JJ, jalen and mo taylor...
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4/12/2006  11:25 AM
Posted by tkf:

udoka will be gone, I expect both butler and Q woods back, like fish said, we can trade marbs and francis and then cut some of the junk we get back in a trade. buy out Mo Taylor and jalen since their contracts expire anyway. Jay williams is the kind of guy you take a chance on, because you know if he doesn't do well, it isn't because he isn't working hard, it is just physical, and that makes judging talent a lot easier..

I posted in another thread where you have a 11 players with guarantee contracts, I forgot about Mo Taylor. That is 12 players with guarantee contracts.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15527
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by tkf:

udoka will be gone, I expect both butler and Q woods back, like fish said, we can trade marbs and francis and then cut some of the junk we get back in a trade. buy out Mo Taylor and jalen since their contracts expire anyway. Jay williams is the kind of guy you take a chance on, because you know if he doesn't do well, it isn't because he isn't working hard, it is just physical, and that makes judging talent a lot easier..

I posted in another thread where you have a 11 players with guarantee contracts, I forgot about Mo Taylor. That is 12 players with guarantee contracts.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15527

and don't forget the 2 #1 picks - those are guaranteed as well.
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4/12/2006  11:31 AM
There's definitely gonna have to be other buyouts (Stop dreaming!) or some 2 for 1 trades. I am also sick of the expiring contracts thing. Nobody abuses them like Isiah does. Nobody.
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4/12/2006  11:36 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by tkf:

udoka will be gone, I expect both butler and Q woods back, like fish said, we can trade marbs and francis and then cut some of the junk we get back in a trade. buy out Mo Taylor and jalen since their contracts expire anyway. Jay williams is the kind of guy you take a chance on, because you know if he doesn't do well, it isn't because he isn't working hard, it is just physical, and that makes judging talent a lot easier..

I posted in another thread where you have a 11 players with guarantee contracts, I forgot about Mo Taylor. That is 12 players with guarantee contracts.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15527

and don't forget the 2 #1 picks - those are guaranteed as well.

yeah, that's why in the other thread, I suggested that maybe no matter who is selected could be sent down to the D-League for maybe the first half of the season until a decision is made on the status of Rose and Taylor's contracts. Not a bad problem there but the biggest problem will be definately taking back salary to match up with Marbury and Francis salary unless you trade for another max player. I think whoever is running the show should give Carroll a call in Houston. T-Mac for Rose with maybe a draft pick or one of the rookies from this season may get it done. T-Mac's rep is getting worst and worst from my relatives in Houston. So he could be dealt sooner than later. I know Houston would like to shed salary.
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4/12/2006  11:38 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by tkf:

udoka will be gone, I expect both butler and Q woods back, like fish said, we can trade marbs and francis and then cut some of the junk we get back in a trade. buy out Mo Taylor and jalen since their contracts expire anyway. Jay williams is the kind of guy you take a chance on, because you know if he doesn't do well, it isn't because he isn't working hard, it is just physical, and that makes judging talent a lot easier..

I posted in another thread where you have a 11 players with guarantee contracts, I forgot about Mo Taylor. That is 12 players with guarantee contracts.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15527

and don't forget the 2 #1 picks - those are guaranteed as well.

I believe one of those picks will be packaged to move up. No way we leave this draft wihout getting one of the points be it Collins Rondo or Williams
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4/12/2006  11:49 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by tkf:

udoka will be gone, I expect both butler and Q woods back, like fish said, we can trade marbs and francis and then cut some of the junk we get back in a trade. buy out Mo Taylor and jalen since their contracts expire anyway. Jay williams is the kind of guy you take a chance on, because you know if he doesn't do well, it isn't because he isn't working hard, it is just physical, and that makes judging talent a lot easier..

I posted in another thread where you have a 11 players with guarantee contracts, I forgot about Mo Taylor. That is 12 players with guarantee contracts.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15527

and don't forget the 2 #1 picks - those are guaranteed as well.

I believe one of those picks will be packaged to move up. No way we leave this draft wihout getting one of the points be it Collins Rondo or Williams

I don't know if Brown has the patience to educate young pgs at this point. I think he would want to go head first after a Jay Williams whether he is at full strength or not. I don't see whoever getting pick this season to be on the roster starting in Nov. Speedy would be great but he is going to command more than the MLE. He is looking to get a veteran in there that plays his style of play at the point.
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4/12/2006  12:13 PM
Jay Williams has been out of basketball for 3 years and had only a year under his belt prior to injury. At this point he'd require more patience than any.

I don't buy LB hates rookies. I do buy he hates immaturity. If a guy coming out he feels can lead this team, we'll draft him and he'll get his shot at performing. Of course there will be a vet 1 to stabilize things but that is the natural order of damn near every NBA roster. Most teams carry 3 point guards.
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4/12/2006  12:18 PM
I love a good story

Jay Williams is from Plainfield and sits in the expensive seats at Knicks games.

He's hoopin' down at Chelsea Piers.

I will "man-up" right this instant and suggest that he and Jamal would be perfectly compatible in the backcourt.

My 2006-07 "otside-the-box" core just got updated

Leadership guards - Jay Williams, Nate

Off guards - Jamal, Jalen Rose

Skill Forward - Qyntel, Channing Frye

Big Butt Forward - Jackie Butler, yeah I said it. Cameo Jackie BUTLER at forward. David Lee

Center - Curry. Butler, Frye and/or the reformed Jerome james

everyone else can take a hike

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