best post player in CBB, tough, has a motor.

I would rather have Bynum for the star potential but I will take Ike for Channing 8 days a week

The more I think of it, the more I wouldn't be upset with this.

but at the #8? who else is even interested in Ike at that high a pick? trading down for him & getting an extra pick w/which you can maybe get a Taft or another C? fine, i'm down w/that...but to use a #8 pick on another undersized PF when we have a collection of them already doesn't make any sense to me unless you think this kid has superstar potential...taking a kid like Greene or Granger at that pick makes sense because they have tremendous upsides.

Ike will not go as high as 8. The highest I have him going is #15 to NJ. but i think the Nets will take Vazquez

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/24/2005 13:03:44]

Posted by TMS:

but at the #8? who else is even interested in Ike at that high a pick? trading down for him & getting an extra pick w/which you can maybe get a Taft or another C? fine, i'm down w/that...but to use a #8 pick on another undersized PF when we have a collection of them already doesn't make any sense to me unless you think this kid has superstar potential...taking a kid like Greene or Granger at that pick makes sense because they have tremendous upsides.

he's a reach at 8, I will admit, but I think he will go higher than most thing. GS taking him at 9 is possible.

I also fail to see why he's undersized.. look at him. 7'5 wingspan. Yea.. he's 6'8. If he's 6'9 its a non arguement. Also look at the guys that are going ahead of him... guys like Vasquez.

I would have one concern, and thats the good player bad team label, but losing never stopped him from going full steam all the time.

Its just an option. If we are looking for a homerun then you swing with Bynum, but if we are looking at addressing needs with guys like Frye or Graham I would rather go in this direction.

Fish this is very funny.

meanwhile it looks like you are avoiding crunching your numbers today.

I will admit that something impressed me right off the bat when i was watching the video clips. Ike seems to have that "crazy energy" that is really important in his style of player. All that jumping up and down, waving those arms, attacking the basket and boards with abandon, he's bursting with it. It's something JYD has but just lacks the talent to turn it into dominance.

i'm still curious - what the hell would we do at center? I'm assuming you're kidding about Ike playing center. Right?

Are you advocating a signing or trade for a Dalembert, Gadzuric, etc? Are you thinking we get a center at 30? Make a miracle trade with our PF glut? You've probably said elsewhere but i'd love to hear again in light of your lobbying for Ike at 8. (btw I have Boston taking him at 18).

Posted by Marv:

Fish this is very funny.

meanwhile it looks like you are avoiding crunching your numbers today.

I will admit that something impressed me right off the bat when i was watching the video clips. Ike seems to have that "crazy energy" that is really important in his style of player. All that jumping up and down, waving those arms, attacking the basket and boards with abandon, he's bursting with it. It's something JYD has but just lacks the talent to turn it into dominance.

i'm still curious - what the hell would we do at center? I'm assuming you're kidding about Ike playing center. Right?

Are you advocating a signing or trade for a Dalembert, Gadzuric, etc? Are you thinking we get a center at 30? Make a miracle trade with our PF glut? You've probably said elsewhere but i'd love to hear again in light of your lobbying for Ike at 8. (btw I have Boston taking him at 18).

thank you!!! the motor is everything. Thats the point. He doesnt get double doubles by being fat in the post. He's got a motor.. thats his MO. The Jerome comparison is good, only 100 times more skilled.

As for center? Certainly not in the long term, NO. But I dont want to take a lesser player to fill a need, not when we are a 30 win team and better guys are on the board.

Tell you what will happen with at center though... he will work and fight every minute and match KT's numbers easy.

here's a reminder:
Ben went undrafted. Nobody picked him.. twice.

Also this guy isnt a bad athlete. He's not explosive but neither is Brand, Zach, Boozer or a ton of other good and GREAT players. This guy is a good athlete. Give him space he will throw it down in your face. Crowd him he's going to the FT line.

A kid like him is valuable to us only if both Sweet and Malik are gone. To tell you the truth, the more I think about it is the more I want get rid off Malik. He is valuable, but I don't know if we really need him.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by TMS:

unless you're trading Sweetney, then why?

same reason I would be happy to draft Granger with Ariza and Q on roster.

We are a 30 win team, and we need all the things Ike offers; a tough physical post player. He's got great moves around the basket. He's got KT distance on his jumper, he lives at the FT line, he's got a nonstop motor and he's chisled.

I'm still collecting talent, and MS (still like him) hasnt done enough for me to warrant me basing my draft around him. If we are looking at guys that can help quickly and looking at a guy like Frye I would much rather take Ike.