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6/21/2005  3:06 PM
in this article, he talks about bynum--saying he could be a top 5 pick in ONE year--the same thing that Calhoun said--and this is what Im trying to say, he's ONLy 17 but already has tremendous talent athletiscm length and size. he is still growing. Ive tried to mainatain the same synopsis, the odds of getting this type of player are RARE, worthy of doing whaEVEr it takes to get him. Hes not saying hes not saying hes a 7-1 275 pound blob, hes saying hes a very impressive TALENT. Let me remind you just last year guys like Josh Smith were SO dsicounted and ended up being picked later--BUT Josh has the talent to go top 3 in this draft--which wouldve been with 1 year of school---understand????? usually in almost EVERY case, HS kids took a bit of time, but its the elite HS kids for the most part
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6/21/2005  3:16 PM
if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.
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6/21/2005  3:20 PM
He said it's possible that he might be a top 5 or 10 pick in a year. Based on his body, I'd have to agree that that's at least possible. Possible is a pretty weak word. It's interesting that they think (or at least are stating publicly) that he won't be drafted until the 2nd half of the 1st round.
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6/21/2005  3:22 PM
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
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6/21/2005  5:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything

but why won't he work out for the Knicks? do you think they told him 8 was promised and they would only take him at 30 or if they acquired another first rounder?
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6/21/2005  5:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.
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Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.

Check out the other 15 threads BRIGGS started on Bynum.
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6/21/2005  6:25 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.

He got 22 pts, 16 rebs, 5 blocks in high school. That's better than Eddy Curry did in high school. Check again.
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6/21/2005  6:35 PM
For all you pro evaluators out there who think Bynum is a big body, here is an excerpt from John Nash, the GM of Portland, not some internet poster


Some NBA executives and scouts have said Bynum should go to college, but Blazers general manager John Nash liked what he saw during Friday's workout.

"I think he would be a likely first-round selection," Nash said. "I don't know what his parameters are, related to what would cause him to stay in the draft or go on to college, but he's a very, very impressive young man.

"He's not just big, but he's also gifted. He could choose to go to college and very possibly be a top-five or top-10 pick a year from now




He's telling you that he's big and highly skilled, that he needs a little development--notice in a year it would be *VERY possible* for him to be a top 5 pick.

Go read what Calhoun said about him and remember there have been only 4 clubs that brought him in for a private workout AFTER he got in shape. I think it was a mistake by his brother stopping the workouts, because teams need to see more, but there is enough information for you to get the jist of what this kid is.
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6/21/2005  6:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

For all you pro evaluators out there who think Bynum is a big body, here is an excerpt from John Nash, the GM of Portland, not some internet poster


Some NBA executives and scouts have said Bynum should go to college, but Blazers general manager John Nash liked what he saw during Friday's workout.

"I think he would be a likely first-round selection," Nash said. "I don't know what his parameters are, related to what would cause him to stay in the draft or go on to college, but he's a very, very impressive young man.

"He's not just big, but he's also gifted. He could choose to go to college and very possibly be a top-five or top-10 pick a year from now




He's telling you that he's big and highly skilled, that he needs a little development--notice in a year it would be *VERY possible* for him to be a top 5 pick.

Go read what Calhoun said about him and remember there have been only 4 clubs that brought him in for a private workout AFTER he got in shape. I think it was a mistake by his brother stopping the workouts, because teams need to see more, but there is enough information for you to get the jist of what this kid is.

[sarcasm]No Briggs, he sucks. I know, even though I've never seen him play, trust me, anyone big sucks. Let's use our picks on three more 6'7" power forwards, so we can complete the set. That'd be a much better choice. Height doesn't win in the NBA... fat does. Just look at the Mike Sweetney twinkie eating program.[/sarcasm]

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6/21/2005  7:24 PM
I say lets just pick Bynum at 8, im willing to wait a year or two to let him develop. I have a feeling that if we dont pick him we will be regretting it down the line just like Amare
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What he is really saying is that Bynum is a low 1st round pick this year or if he went to college and played well he is a top 5-10 pick next year. Now if you believe that the risk is worth it to get him then you have to say that he's really a top 5-10 pick this year and if he went to college then he'll be the top pick in the draft next year . This is our chance to get a dominant big man. I haven't seen him play but trust in Briggs opinion. I also really like Granger. Rather have Bynum or Granger instead of Frye.
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I really think the KNicks need to take this kid. Lets face it next year the Knicks are not going to get the Number one pick lottery or not because they do just enough to keep away from the top three spots. This is a golden opportunity for the kNicks to get thier center of the future and they should take it. Other players will come and go in the draft there really isn't one player in this draft that really catches me as a sure thing they all have their flaws. But the tought of Bynum and his impact in the possible future gives me goose bumps and gives me visions of Pat Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Jabbar, Parrish, Moses, Willis, Dawkins. There is one thing to be said about a center and that a good one has impact on both sides of the ball offense and defense. While Bynum may not be half the player to the ones I mentioned I do beileve his height might give atleast a defensive tenacity to the Knicks that has been missing. You give him a Pat Ewing to work with and I guarantee you that he will develop into a great center. Just as Kwame was showing prgress under Pat Ewing I think Bynum might be able to do the same. I really think he can help the KNicks next year.
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Posted by BigRedDog:

What he is really saying is that Bynum is a low 1st round pick this year or if he went to college and played well he is a top 5-10 pick next year. Now if you believe that the risk is worth it to get him then you have to say that he's really a top 5-10 pick this year and if he went to college then he'll be the top pick in the draft next year . This is our chance to get a dominant big man. I haven't seen him play but trust in Briggs opinion. I also really like Granger. Rather have Bynum or Granger instead of Frye.


The problem is Red Dog, where exactly does this kid go? Bly me, the only scenario I dont want is drafting frye and someone else walking away with this kid. Id arther trade down and get different assets with bynum then stick with frye. Maybe trade down to 12 with 30 and add a Wilcox, and pick Bynum at 12? wilcox has shown he can score 20 points playing C and can be moved to PF when Bynum is ready.
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6/21/2005  7:57 PM
like I've said before if Bynum impresses a team he will get picked in the lottery, because of his rare skill at his size. It looks like Bynum is a Blazer. I rather have that scenario then us pass on Bynum and he becomes a monster. If he becomes a monster at pick 3 then well the Knicks are a bunch of idiots for wanting to win meaninglesss games. Not only do we miss out on Bogut, Green & Granger but we miss out on Bynum! and worst of all we draft Frye!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/21/2005 20:03:38]
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.

He got 22 pts, 16 rebs, 5 blocks in high school. That's better than Eddy Curry did in high school. Check again.
What's the relevance of Eddy Curry? Knowing what we all know now, I wouldn't take Eddy with the #8 pick in a draft this deep even if he didn't have the heart beat problems

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 20:40:07]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.

He got 22 pts, 16 rebs, 5 blocks in high school. That's better than Eddy Curry did in high school. Check again.
What's the relevance of Eddy Curry? Knowing what we all know now, I wouldn't take Eddy with the #8 pick in a draft this deep even if he didn't have the heart beat problems

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 20:40:07]

This draft is deep, but it's middle heavy. However, this draft is fairly weak at the top. IMHO, this draft is as weak at the top as the K-Mart draft. I digress...

So, all of the sudden Eddy Curry sucks? Curry's biggest problem is stamina, and maybe that was all due to his heart aliement. But, when Curry was playing, Curry was putting up impressive numbers, just not getting enough minutes. To be fair, I'd say Bynum's likely minimum is Eddy Curry with better rebounding numbers and slightly less scoring. If all you got out of a #8 pick in THIS draft was a taller Eddy Curry, you couldn't complain. And I also disagree with what you said. If Eddy Curry was in this draft w/o his heart aliement, there's no question I'd take him at #8 over the guys that will likely be available (Vazquez, Frye, etc...).

Briggs has said many times before, how many times does a guy with Bynum's size, agility and talent come out? Once every 10 years? I say, why not take a shot for the stars. The worst case is Bynum is a complete bust and turns out to be Jerome James and we're in the lottery again next year with a fairly high pick. I'd rather see that then see us continue to overfill with undersized players who are untradeable.

But, of course, you were hoping for Channing Frye, who I'm not even convinced will be an NBA starter.
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6/21/2005  8:59 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.

He got 22 pts, 16 rebs, 5 blocks in high school. That's better than Eddy Curry did in high school. Check again.
What's the relevance of Eddy Curry? Knowing what we all know now, I wouldn't take Eddy with the #8 pick in a draft this deep even if he didn't have the heart beat problems

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 20:40:07]

This draft is deep, but it's middle heavy. However, this draft is fairly weak at the top. IMHO, this draft is as weak at the top as the K-Mart draft. I digress...

So, all of the sudden Eddy Curry sucks? Curry's biggest problem is stamina, and maybe that was all due to his heart aliement. But, when Curry was playing, Curry was putting up impressive numbers, just not getting enough minutes. To be fair, I'd say Bynum's likely minimum is Eddy Curry with better rebounding numbers and slightly less scoring. If all you got out of a #8 pick in THIS draft was a taller Eddy Curry, you couldn't complain. And I also disagree with what you said. If Eddy Curry was in this draft w/o his heart aliement, there's no question I'd take him at #8 over the guys that will likely be available (Vazquez, Frye, etc...).

Briggs has said many times before, how many times does a guy with Bynum's size, agility and talent come out? Once every 10 years? I say, why not take a shot for the stars. The worst case is Bynum is a complete bust and turns out to be Jerome James and we're in the lottery again next year with a fairly high pick. I'd rather see that then see us continue to overfill with undersized players who are untradeable.

But, of course, you were hoping for Channing Frye, who I'm not even convinced will be an NBA starter.

beautiful post! especially the past about preferring the lottery next year than yet another medoicre ,undersized & overweight PF/C
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6/21/2005  9:28 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BigRedDog:

What he is really saying is that Bynum is a low 1st round pick this year or if he went to college and played well he is a top 5-10 pick next year. Now if you believe that the risk is worth it to get him then you have to say that he's really a top 5-10 pick this year and if he went to college then he'll be the top pick in the draft next year . This is our chance to get a dominant big man. I haven't seen him play but trust in Briggs opinion. I also really like Granger. Rather have Bynum or Granger instead of Frye.


The problem is Red Dog, where exactly does this kid go? Bly me, the only scenario I dont want is drafting frye and someone else walking away with this kid. Id arther trade down and get different assets with bynum then stick with frye. Maybe trade down to 12 with 30 and add a Wilcox, and pick Bynum at 12? wilcox has shown he can score 20 points playing C and can be moved to PF when Bynum is ready.

I have a feeling that if you want Bynum you will have to use the #8 to pick him. Lakers at 10 scare me. You pick him and know that you got one of the best high school prospects ever. I think you have to either move up from 30 or get another mid 1st round and get another good prospect. This draft is so deep we need to take advantage of it. I would be very disappointed if we didn't get rid of at least one pf for a 1st rounder.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

if portland is not taking Bynum and he falls, boy I would love to have a mid round pick.

Lets just think, he is still growing--now I have hear reports of him being anywhere from 6-11 1/2 to 7-0 1/2 in barefeet 7-1 to 7-2 in sneaks with MORE than a 7-6 wingspan and he is still growing. But its the athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic that makes the full talent--you need everything
The reason you want Bynum Drafted because he is almost 7'3. Height doesnt anything. He's that tall with athletiscm burgeoning skills intelligence toughness work ethic and only averaged 17pts and 13 rpg in HIGH SCHOOL. He's a high school bust what makes you think he'll be a great, I mean a good NBA player.

He got 22 pts, 16 rebs, 5 blocks in high school. That's better than Eddy Curry did in high school. Check again.
What's the relevance of Eddy Curry? Knowing what we all know now, I wouldn't take Eddy with the #8 pick in a draft this deep even if he didn't have the heart beat problems

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 20:40:07]

This draft is deep, but it's middle heavy. However, this draft is fairly weak at the top. IMHO, this draft is as weak at the top as the K-Mart draft. I digress...

So, all of the sudden Eddy Curry sucks? Curry's biggest problem is stamina, and maybe that was all due to his heart aliement. But, when Curry was playing, Curry was putting up impressive numbers, just not getting enough minutes. To be fair, I'd say Bynum's likely minimum is Eddy Curry with better rebounding numbers and slightly less scoring. If all you got out of a #8 pick in THIS draft was a taller Eddy Curry, you couldn't complain. And I also disagree with what you said. If Eddy Curry was in this draft w/o his heart aliement, there's no question I'd take him at #8 over the guys that will likely be available (Vazquez, Frye, etc...).

Briggs has said many times before, how many times does a guy with Bynum's size, agility and talent come out? Once every 10 years? I say, why not take a shot for the stars. The worst case is Bynum is a complete bust and turns out to be Jerome James and we're in the lottery again next year with a fairly high pick. I'd rather see that then see us continue to overfill with undersized players who are untradeable.

But, of course, you were hoping for Channing Frye, who I'm not even convinced will be an NBA starter.
I never said Eddy sucks; he's a solid 15 point 5 rebound 0.9 block per game center. I haven't heard any good news about his heart condition. (I hope for his sake that he's successfully treated, though.) I simply would aim higher with the 8th pick. I'd want to either draft or trade for someone who after his 4th season was playing at least like a borderline all-star.
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