What would you prefer: a trade scenario where we gave up pick #8 and got Pau Gasol or we just simply drafted each player below at #8. Given Memphis's financial problems and the huge $$$ increase for Pau this year, I think they'd give up Pau if we took back Jason Williams and gave them picks 8, 30, and $3 mil and they also sent us pick 19. But just to be more conservative let's say the Pau deal is Penny plus pick #8 plus $3 mil for J Will and Pau. This is a deal they financially probably can't afford to pass on and they won't get a better deal than a lottery pick, expiring contract, and getting rid of J Will's contract just to get Pau.

Even if you don't think these offers would be able to get us Pau, just participate for the sake of discussion!

So, the questions

Pau deal vs. Frye
Pau vs. Bynum
Pau vs. Green
Pau vs. Granger
Pau vs. Graham
Pau vs. Wright
Pau vs. Webster
Pau vs. Taft
Pau vs. Villanueva

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 13:33:00]

Posted by Bonn1997:

What would you prefer: a trade scenario where we gave up pick #8 and got Pau Gasol or we just simply drafted each player below at #8. Given Memphis's financial problems and the huge $$$ increase for Pau this year, I think they'd give up Pau if we took back Jason Williams and gave them picks 8, 30, and $3 mil and they also sent us pick 19. But just to be more conservative let's say the Pau deal is Penny plus pick #8 plus $3 mil for J Will and Pau. This is a deal they financially probably can't afford to pass on and they won't get a better deal than a lottery pick, expiring contract, and getting rid of J Will's contract just to get Pau.

Even if you don't think these offers would be able to get us Pau, just participate for the sake of discussion!

So, the questions

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 13:33:00]

Pau deal vs. Frye? Pau
Pau vs. Bynum? Ummm...maybe Bynum
Pau vs. Green? Green
Pau vs. Granger? Granger
Pau vs. Graham? Pau
Pau vs. Wright? Pau
Pau vs. Webster? Webster
Pau vs. Taft? Pau
Pau vs. Villanueva? Pau



[Edited by - VDesai on 06/21/2005 13:35:30]

Its funny that Bynum is better than a guy who is close to 20 and 10. Thats hilarious. He avgd 20 and 10 in high school, not in college and certainly not in the pros.

Pau over everyone except Granger.

the problem I have with this deal is we further restrict our ability to make trades & sign free agents.

Pau is a good, near all star in the league.

Any of the players we pick at 8 might be an all star one day.

They might also be out of the league in a year.

For the most part, I'd rather take a chance with anyone that we could reasonably pick at 8.

Posted by franco12:

the problem I have with this deal is we further restrict our ability to make trades & sign free agents.

Pau is a good, near all star in the league.

Any of the players we pick at 8 might be an all star one day.

They might also be out of the league in a year.

For the most part, I'd rather take a chance with anyone that we could reasonably pick at 8.

I don't know how you say what you said and then draw that conclusion. You know what Pau is and you don't know for certain what any of those guys will be and how long it will take.

We have a star PG who will be 28-29 next year and has about 4-5 all star caliber years left in him. We need some players that are good now, and can make us better now. If we get Pau and then some how get a decent center, we'd be well on our way to contention.

Would be great if we could get #14 from Memphis, but since that belongs to Minnesota, I'd settle for #19. Either way, I like it.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by franco12:

the problem I have with this deal is we further restrict our ability to make trades & sign free agents.

Pau is a good, near all star in the league.

Any of the players we pick at 8 might be an all star one day.

They might also be out of the league in a year.

For the most part, I'd rather take a chance with anyone that we could reasonably pick at 8.

I don't know how you say what you said and then draw that conclusion. You know what Pau is and you don't know for certain what any of those guys will be and how long it will take.

We have a star PG who will be 28-29 next year and has about 4-5 all star caliber years left in him. We need some players that are good now, and can make us better now. If we get Pau and then some how get a decent center, we'd be well on our way to contention.

Its just that 'win now' 'we're one piece away' 'the window is now' sentiment that has led, in my opinion, to some very bad moves that have not improved things.

I'd like us to go the the finals again, or at the least, get out of the first round and not get embarassed.

We're several players away and we need an all star.

Pau is a good player, no doubt.

But, we need a better player than Pau, hence, I'd rather roll the dice on picking up a college/HS/Euro who might be the next Amare/Manu/Wade. Of course, that player might suck or turn into Bruce Bowen or a really good role player.

But, we're not messing our cap further with the pick like we would with Pau & J Williams.

Posted by BRIGGS:

you have to be kidding me, right now pau gasol is better than anyone on that list. that means RIGHT now, NOT long term but it would be difficult to pass on a trade like that! Basically would you rather have Frye or Gasol--you have to be kidding me.

I know you don't like Frye @ 8 but what about the others? If your goal were to win a championship eventually, I assume you'd take Bynum of that deal involving Pau (or any other deal that could be made). Are there any other players on that list you'd take over the Pau deal. If not, I'd assume then that if Bynum isn't available at #8, you'd be in favor of the Pau deal.

I posted this mainly because I wanted to get an idea of how "anti-trade" people were with regard to the #8 pick. I personally would trade it for Pau instead of drafting most of these guys and then I'd try to get a pick in the middle of the 1st round so I could still add a nice young player from the draft. I might hesitate to do the Pau deal if I really liked Bynum, Granger, or Green, though.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 15:53:04]

I would take Pau over every player except Granger.

I am willing to give Pau a chance becuase he has never played with a standout player like a Marbury on his team. Pau is a 18to20ppg and 10 rebound guy every year and if you throw Marbury into the equation I think his ppg increases a few and so will his rebounds. I think Pau could definately start posting some 21-22ppg and 12rbg seasons if he were a Knick. Remember this guy is only 24 years old, he has not even come close to playin in his prime yet. I don't see a whole lot of room for improvement for him but I do see the benefits of him playing alongside Stephon increasing his ppg and rbg. Add him to the team and whoever the Knicks can pick at 19, maybe a Julius Hodge or Hakim Warrick and I think thats a pretty good trade for the Knicks. I just don't want to make the trade if Granger is on the board when the Knicks pick, I think he's to good to pass up.

Posted by VDesai:

My concern about Pau is that he has plateaued. Will he do more than the 18 and 7-8 that he's gotten the last 2 years for the rest of his career? Is he a SF, PF, C for the long term? His offensive game hasn't advanced the way I thought it would, and I thought he was developing into a big time shotblocker, but that has leveled off as well. He is a damn good player though and you have to look into getting him.

[Edited by - VDesai on 06/21/2005 16:26:35]

I agree with you Des. He's not a cornerstone player, he's just a level below that, kind of like how you can't build a team around Marbury. I believe though that if you have 2 players like that, one at PG and the other at PF then you have something going. Pau and Marbury I think would make a pretty damn good combo and THAT would be something you could build around, not just one of them but the duo.

Posted by VDesai:

My concern about Pau is that he has plateaued. Will he do more than the 18 and 7-8 that he's gotten the last 2 years for the rest of his career? Is he a SF, PF, C for the long term? His offensive game hasn't advanced the way I thought it would, and I thought he was developing into a big time shotblocker, but that has leveled off as well. He is a damn good player though and you have to look into getting him.

[Edited by - VDesai on 06/21/2005 16:26:35]

Well, he put up those #s in only about 32 mpg on a well-rounded 45 to 50 win team. But even if he has plateaud, the issue is whether that plateau is higher than your projected performance of whoever is available at #8 (and whether it's worth also giving up TT and sweetney, for example).