Posted by Ira:

Regarding the Knicks drafting Frye, remember the team Isaiah played on. Their big men were Rick Mahorn and Bill Laimbeer. It was a team that played tough d and was nasty. I once saw Isaih punching Mark Price in the chest as he drove by him to the hoop. I can't see this same individual drafting a finesse big man.

Why does everyone forget their 7'2'' center Budda head Edwards

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Solace:

I saw Bynum had 22-16-5 in high school. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen it on multiple sites.

http://www.nba.com/draft2005/profiles/AndrewBynum.html

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

If that's not dominating, it's certainly not far off.

Against who a bunch of 10th graders who were probably more worry about where they were going to hang after the game. He is a tall and heavy kid playing against skinner guys. What was his competition like? To me that is more important than his upside. btw, Diop was described as being the most realistic potential of being like Shaq. I remember the bio descriptions, "he loves to bang on the inside."

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Solace:

I saw Bynum had 22-16-5 in high school. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen it on multiple sites.

http://www.nba.com/draft2005/profiles/AndrewBynum.html

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

If that's not dominating, it's certainly not far off.

Against who a bunch of 10th graders who were probably more worry about where they were going to hang after the game. He is a tall and heavy kid playing against skinner guys. What was his competition like? To me that is more important than his upside. btw, Diop was described as being the most realistic potential of being like Shaq. I remember the bio descriptions, "he loves to bang on the inside."

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Solace:

I saw Bynum had 22-16-5 in high school. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen it on multiple sites.

http://www.nba.com/draft2005/profiles/AndrewBynum.html

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

If that's not dominating, it's certainly not far off.

Against who a bunch of 10th graders who were probably more worry about where they were going to hang after the game. He is a tall and heavy kid playing against skinner guys. What was his competition like? To me that is more important than his upside. btw, Diop was described as being the most realistic potential of being like Shaq. I remember the bio descriptions, "he loves to bang on the inside."

this is not diop for goodness sakes, he has more skills in his pinky than Diop has now. If he was 7-2 275 and just a big body, I wouldnt give a sht. He's 7-2 275 with very long arms, great hands, quick feet, mobile, agile, tough, solid ballhandler, nice soft jump hook, athletic. I would be willing to use pick 8 on him and bring him along, but he is moving along rapidly. hes so big, I cant see where he couldnt help us right now. Is there some develoment time--YES--is he physcially the most imposing fgure in this draft, YES does he have nice skill sets to go along with them? yes

Is Bynum's brother an arsehole, YES did he piss off calhoun and others YES. But that doesnt take away that this kid is a top 3 talent in this draft. Im going to use for the last time the Josh Smith compariosn--remember when Jay Bilas said Josh was a bust material after going 17 and I ws sitting there laughing---Big Smooth will remember that I said Josh Smith was top 3 talent last year befor the draft--now look at him. We are SETTLINg for a NOW player. the only way Ill be happy with a Frye 8 pick, is if we do indeed get Bynum as well. I could care less about guards--we can get a nice back up guard later in this draft or FA. there are many of them out there.

Briggs - You have a propensity to put huge potential stats next to college players names. I've noted what you've said about bogut now it's bynum. You've already predicted stats for both these guys that will make them top 50 all NBA guys - so I'll take that part with a grain (or shaker) of salt.

As far as Calhouns opinion of the guy - from what I've seen you seem to be exagerating what he's said about the guy. He said the guy could be a top five in a couple of years - you've got him as a top three talent now.

At 17 with no college experience and less HS success then other HS guys who have made it big - he may have potential - but it is a long way from being realized and it's very hard to develope guys this young in the NBA.

So let's say we ignore the huge numbers you state as his potential and just focus on what you think the chances are that this guy ever developes into a top five center in the NBA and when you think it will be?

Posted by OldFan:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Solace:

I saw Bynum had 22-16-5 in high school. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen it on multiple sites.

http://www.nba.com/draft2005/profiles/AndrewBynum.html

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

If that's not dominating, it's certainly not far off.

Against who a bunch of 10th graders who were probably more worry about where they were going to hang after the game. He is a tall and heavy kid playing against skinner guys. What was his competition like? To me that is more important than his upside. btw, Diop was described as being the most realistic potential of being like Shaq. I remember the bio descriptions, "he loves to bang on the inside."

this is not diop for goodness sakes, he has more skills in his pinky than Diop has now. If he was 7-2 275 and just a big body, I wouldnt give a sht. He's 7-2 275 with very long arms, great hands, quick feet, mobile, agile, tough, solid ballhandler, nice soft jump hook, athletic. I would be willing to use pick 8 on him and bring him along, but he is moving along rapidly. hes so big, I cant see where he couldnt help us right now. Is there some develoment time--YES--is he physcially the most imposing fgure in this draft, YES does he have nice skill sets to go along with them? yes

Is Bynum's brother an arsehole, YES did he piss off calhoun and others YES. But that doesnt take away that this kid is a top 3 talent in this draft. Im going to use for the last time the Josh Smith compariosn--remember when Jay Bilas said Josh was a bust material after going 17 and I ws sitting there laughing---Big Smooth will remember that I said Josh Smith was top 3 talent last year befor the draft--now look at him. We are SETTLINg for a NOW player. the only way Ill be happy with a Frye 8 pick, is if we do indeed get Bynum as well. I could care less about guards--we can get a nice back up guard later in this draft or FA. there are many of them out there.

Briggs - You have a propensity to put huge potential stats next to college players names. I've noted what you've said about bogut now it's bynum. You've already predicted stats for both these guys that will make them top 50 all NBA guys - so I'll take that part with a grain (or shaker) of salt.

As far as Calhouns opinion of the guy - from what I've seen you seem to be exagerating what he's said about the guy. He said the guy could be a top five in a couple of years - you've got him as a top three talent now.

At 17 with no college experience and less HS success then other HS guys who have made it big - he may have potential - but it is a long way from being realized and it's very hard to develope guys this young in the NBA.

So let's say we ignore the huge numbers you state as his potential and just focus on what you think the chances are that this guy ever developes into a top five center in the NBA and when you think it will be?

Briggs gets enthusiastic and makes bold, exaggerated predictions. I'll give him credit for that. Sometimes they're dead wrong (like the claim that Miami was guaranteed to win the championship this year and next year) but sometimes he's right (e.g., he had the Raptors taking Arraujo at #8 last year when Arraujo probably shouldn't have gone top 18).

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 22:47:39]

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Bonn1997:


Briggs gets enthusiastic and makes bold, exaggerated predictions. I'll give him credit for that. Sometimes they're dead wrong (like the claim that Miami was guaranteed to win the championship this year and next year) but sometimes he's right (e.g., he had the Raptors taking Arraujo at #8 last year when Arraujo probably shouldn't have gone top 18).

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/21/2005 22:47:39]

Bonn with the nice balanced post. must have put the robot to bed early tonight.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by OldFan:

At 17 with no college experience and less HS success then other HS guys who have made it big - he may have potential - but it is a long way from being realized and it's very hard to develope guys this young in the NBA.

Saying Briggs exaaggerates about Bynum is like saying Crawford needs to improve his shot selection.

But just to support your argument about Bynum vs. other HS guys lets look at last years rookie Al jefferson. High school stats:



Bynum was not ever on track to put up numbers like this. I see Jefferson as a potential very good NBA player btw. I think the Celtics ae set for the future.


And HE went 15th in the draft last year! How is Bynum top 3 in this draft and hes scared to work out for teams?

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 06/22/2005 00:05:09]

Posted by Solace:

Completely different kinds of players. Al Jefferson dominated, yes. However, that all said it's a silly comparison of Al Jefferson to Bynum. Why? Well, whose to say that Bynum didn't have a teammate who could play as well and took the ball away? Or maybe Jefferson had a slick PG feeding him the ball every time. Who knows? The point is that regardless, Bynum's stats are impressive. The point is that they're in the same mold as a guy like Tyson Chandler, who went #2 in the NBA draft a few years ago and is going to be a stud. Who wouldn't take someone with Tyson Chandler talent at #8? Come on, let's be realistic.

Briggs also put up some good points as to why his stats may have been ONLY 22 ,16 and 5... regardless of that he's obviously having some killer workouts, because his stock is rising very quickly. And finally, if Bynum is ANYTHING, you can't pass him up because you know how difficult it is to get a man of his size and talent level. A 7'2" center is such an impact that by adding him to the roster, suddenly we're not undersized anymore!! Add Bynum and that talk about needing a shotblocker and an inside presence goes away. What more could you possibly want for a team that is at least three years away from contending?