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crzymdups
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Okay, there've been a ton of threads about this, so let's see what the site consensus is: who do YOU want the Knicks to pick? Bynum by a landslide? Frye? One of the swingmen?
Andrew Bynum - C
Channing Frye - C
Antoine Wright - SG
Gerald Green - SG/SF (looking like he MIGHT slip...)
Martell Webster - SG
Joey Graham - SF
Andray Blatche - PF
Danny Granger - SF (no way he'll be there at 8, but hey...)
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6/15/2005  12:32 PM
I tried to compile the most talked about/most likely picks for the spot. I realize I left off guys like Felton and Diogu, but it just seems like the team is SO stocked at those positions that I don't see it happening. Also, I left off Bonn. Sorry, Bonn.
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6/15/2005  12:33 PM
Bynum at #8 is too high...if you trade down to get another pick & take Bynum in the mid-late teens, i'm fine w/that...or trade up from the #30.

i would take Greene if he slips...if not, Granger or Webster would be fine by me.
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6/15/2005  12:34 PM
I actually picked Blatche. He's wildcard to me
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6/15/2005  12:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I actually picked Blatche. He's wildcard to me

Yeah. I'll be extremely curious to see how his NYK workout today goes.
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6/15/2005  12:40 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by fishmike:

I actually picked Blatche. He's wildcard to me

Yeah. I'll be extremely curious to see how his NYK workout today goes.
Its probably spawned out of wishfull thinking but I want Isiah to spot a kid like this, shut him down and draft us a star just like the Suns did with Amare.

Probably not gonna happen, but I can hope.

The other thing is *IF* Isiah takes a guy like Blatch or Bynum or Webster passing on somone like Frye it tells you thats what he's thinking, thats a pretty exciting thing considering his draft history.
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6/15/2005  12:41 PM
I picked Granger. Paul Pierce offensive ability with tons more defensive ability.
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6/15/2005  12:42 PM
I'd likE:
Graham
Green
Bynum

in that order.
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6/15/2005  12:42 PM
The other thing is *IF* Isiah takes a guy like Blatch or Bynum or Webster passing on somone like Frye it tells you thats what he's thinking, thats a pretty exciting thing considering his draft history.

Absolutely. I would actually be extremely interested if he drafted one of the young kids out of left field.

Also, the more I look at Diogu, the more I wish we didn't have Sweetney hanging around so we could take a serious look at this kid. Who knows, maybe they can move Sweets.

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6/15/2005  12:42 PM
Posted by TMS:

Bynum at #8 is too high...if you trade down to get another pick & take Bynum in the mid-late teens, i'm fine w/that...or trade up from the #30.

i would take Greene if he slips...if not, Granger or Webster would be fine by me.

I don't mean to disagree with you on the Bynum is too high at #8, and I was even going to add a comment about taking someone else at #8 if the Knicks are able to secure another pick from 12-19, but if he is all that BRIGGS says he is, tall, mobile, agile, hardworking... is he too high?

Was Kobe too high at #13? KG too high at #5? These guys were stock full of talent and all they really had to go on at that stage was their work ethic (over other high picks like Cu.rry, Chandler, Diop, etc). If Bynum has the heart, you HAVE to pick him, but you also have to double check all of the other parts
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6/15/2005  12:43 PM
If we take Graham at 8, I will piss on the TV screen.. I would like to take the road that fish is talking about, taking a guy like Blatche, if not Granger is not a bad pick or green if he is still there..
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6/15/2005  12:45 PM
Posted by martin:

If Bynum has the heart, you HAVE to pick him, but you also have to double check all of the other parts

I don't know how a team judges a guy's heart and desire, but if they determine Bynum has that, I have no problem drafting him at 8. I just hope Dolan gives Zeke enough time to work on the kid. But I doubt it.
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6/15/2005  12:47 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

Bynum at #8 is too high...if you trade down to get another pick & take Bynum in the mid-late teens, i'm fine w/that...or trade up from the #30.

i would take Greene if he slips...if not, Granger or Webster would be fine by me.

I don't mean to disagree with you on the Bynum is too high at #8, and I was even going to add a comment about taking someone else at #8 if the Knicks are able to secure another pick from 12-19, but if he is all that BRIGGS says he is, tall, mobile, agile, hardworking... is he too high?

Was Kobe too high at #13? KG too high at #5? These guys were stock full of talent and all they really had to go on at that stage was their work ethic (over other high picks like Cu.rry, Chandler, Diop, etc). If Bynum has the heart, you HAVE to pick him, but you also have to double check all of the other parts

not when no other team is going to take him that high...i'm not saying NOT to pick him...just that picking him that high would be a mistake...you would be much wiser in trading down a few notches & try to get another late pick, or trade up from the #30 & keep the #8 to get another player w/big upside too.
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6/15/2005  12:51 PM
Bynum pending workout reports

I have a better feeling about these guys all being allstar calibur players Green, Granger, Wright or Webster. Bynum is a HUGE gamble at 8. It would take an amazing workout with Isiah for him to be picked by us!
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6/15/2005  1:01 PM
look at these clips again:
http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/2005_draft.html

My feelings are out of Granger, Wright & Graham.... Graham doesn't impress me as much but his defense is really good and he's extremely athletic but I think since Granger is ridiculously long and plays excellent D, block a ton of shots, can shoot the nba 3 he will help us more. Granger is Pierce, Pippen, Josh Smith(shot-blocking) molded into one! Same with Wright.. man he can fly and shoot the 3!

look at the Frye highlights and they are very unimpressive. Like Nyk4ever said, if he can't dominant smaller college players inside how is he gonna do it in the nba. He is a good shot-blocker and MAYBE he can shoot like KT but that equates to a role player not a pick 8 over Mcgrady, Pierce, Kobe, Artest, Green, Granger, Wright etc.


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/15/2005 13:02:33]
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6/15/2005  1:07 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

Bynum at #8 is too high...if you trade down to get another pick & take Bynum in the mid-late teens, i'm fine w/that...or trade up from the #30.

i would take Greene if he slips...if not, Granger or Webster would be fine by me.

I don't mean to disagree with you on the Bynum is too high at #8, and I was even going to add a comment about taking someone else at #8 if the Knicks are able to secure another pick from 12-19, but if he is all that BRIGGS says he is, tall, mobile, agile, hardworking... is he too high?

Was Kobe too high at #13? KG too high at #5? These guys were stock full of talent and all they really had to go on at that stage was their work ethic (over other high picks like Cu.rry, Chandler, Diop, etc). If Bynum has the heart, you HAVE to pick him, but you also have to double check all of the other parts

not when no other team is going to take him that high...i'm not saying NOT to pick him...just that picking him that high would be a mistake...you would be much wiser in trading down a few notches & try to get another late pick, or trade up from the #30 & keep the #8 to get another player w/big upside too.

Oh, I agree about trying to trade down or trade up from #30, but if you can't I would go for Bynum IF he has the work ethic or heart that you can pick out.
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6/15/2005  1:07 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

Bynum at #8 is too high...if you trade down to get another pick & take Bynum in the mid-late teens, i'm fine w/that...or trade up from the #30.

i would take Greene if he slips...if not, Granger or Webster would be fine by me.

I don't mean to disagree with you on the Bynum is too high at #8, and I was even going to add a comment about taking someone else at #8 if the Knicks are able to secure another pick from 12-19, but if he is all that BRIGGS says he is, tall, mobile, agile, hardworking... is he too high?

Was Kobe too high at #13? KG too high at #5? These guys were stock full of talent and all they really had to go on at that stage was their work ethic (over other high picks like Cu.rry, Chandler, Diop, etc). If Bynum has the heart, you HAVE to pick him, but you also have to double check all of the other parts

thats the thing. Is he really that good or is he the next Haywood/Jerome James? Haywood was great in college. I bet Calhoun would've loved to have him too.

Thats why I'm waiting to see what Isiah thinks of Bynum. If he projects that his ceiling is high and he would be a top 3 pick if he went to college, even if it takes him up to 3yrs to develop in the nba, then he will take Bynum. If not he will take the best player Green, Granger, Wright, Webster

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/15/2005 13:09:46]
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6/15/2005  1:16 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Thats why I'm waiting to see what Isiah thinks of Bynum. If he projects that his ceiling is high and he would be a top 3 pick if he went to college, even if it takes him up to 3yrs to develop in the nba, then he will take Bynum. If not he will take the best player Green, Granger, Wright, Webster
All this waiting around is killing me! I wish the draft was yesterday and we knew who we picked.
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6/15/2005  1:18 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Thats why I'm waiting to see what Isiah thinks of Bynum. If he projects that his ceiling is high and he would be a top 3 pick if he went to college, even if it takes him up to 3yrs to develop in the nba, then he will take Bynum. If not he will take the best player Green, Granger, Wright, Webster
All this waiting around is killing me! I wish the draft was yesterday and we knew who we picked.

That'd be so nice! I can't wait for the draft though, party at Guns house!
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6/15/2005  1:19 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

look at these clips again:
http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/2005_draft.html

My feelings are out of Granger, Wright & Graham.... Graham doesn't impress me as much but his defense is really good and he's extremely athletic but I think since Granger is ridiculously long and plays excellent D, block a ton of shots, can shoot the nba 3 he will help us more. Granger is Pierce, Pippen, Josh Smith(shot-blocking) molded into one! Same with Wright.. man he can fly and shoot the 3!

look at the Frye highlights and they are very unimpressive. Like Nyk4ever said, if he can't dominant smaller college players inside how is he gonna do it in the nba. He is a good shot-blocker and MAYBE he can shoot like KT but that equates to a role player not a pick 8 over Mcgrady, Pierce, Kobe, Artest, Green, Granger, Wright etc.


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/15/2005 13:02:33]
Guns if i were to go by those clips, the most impreesive players were Hakim Warrik and Chris Taft. They both showed impressive footwork in the post albeit against smaller players. And one of those guys MAY go in the top 10, but that is seeming highly unlikely at this point. Bogut looked average in the post scoring over bigger guys, no explosiveness, one nice drive to the hoop from the top of the key. Julius Hodges clips were decent too.

Those clips were poorly put together for the most part. You can't just throw a bunch of clips of guys dunking or hitting open jumpshots and think it shows what they can do, because it doesn't. If you are 6-6+ i expect that you can dunk. Show me how you drive to the hoop or bang it on someone or find the open man, or bang a fadeaway with a hand in your face.
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6/15/2005  1:21 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Thats why I'm waiting to see what Isiah thinks of Bynum. If he projects that his ceiling is high and he would be a top 3 pick if he went to college, even if it takes him up to 3yrs to develop in the nba, then he will take Bynum. If not he will take the best player Green, Granger, Wright, Webster
All this waiting around is killing me! I wish the draft was yesterday and we knew who we picked.

Its less than 2weeks away I can't believe it! It seemed like it was years away after the season ended in late April!
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