Is what separates Channing Frye and Bogut from Ike Diogu. I'm sorry but I'm not letting that change my perception of who I want. The guy's got a standing reach of 9'1

Lets put this in perspective... thats longer than Ben Wallace. Here's a player who's FG%s over his 3 years in CBB we 61%, 53% and 57%. He blocked 2.3 a game, averaged 22.6 and grabbed 10 boards. He's got range on his jumper out the college 3. He takes 9 FTs a game. He's chisled.

I want a core group of long athletic guys that play 2 ways. I'm looking at Diogu and Ariza as my 3/4 players for the next 10 years.

No crazy trades to propose. If we just stay status quo I think we can set our selves up bigtime with these guys.

Its times to build around a type of player and have a plan. Crawford would also fit here. As a 6'6 PG he has great speed and can be very disruptive.

If Hodges is available at 30 great. If I have to use #54 to move up a couple spots not a problem. If he's going in the late teens thems the breaks.

Ike has 2 knocks... the PAC-10 bigs suck (weak competition) and he's an average athlete. IMO his motor is one of his best qualities and I dont see the Malik Rose comparisons. Malik doesnt have a 9'1 standing reach height.

fishmike, do we want an entire team of undersized PF? he'a good player but we are overloaded to the gill at 4.

I agree. I don't want another 6'8" PF. His numbers aren't any better than Sweetney's were in school. In fact, the fact that he shoots 9FT a game makes him sound a lot like Sweetney.

I want Frye. If for some reason Frye isn't there, or Isiah is more impressed by Granger or Graham - so be it. Those are the three guys the Knicks should be looking at at no.8. Most likely, Granger will be gone by 8.

Also, not to nitpick, but he's 2.5" inches shorter than Frye if both guys are wearing sneakers, and for some reason Diogu's sneakers add more height than Frye's. Diogu is 6'6.5" in socks, Frye is 6''9.5". that's three inches in the real world if you take out Diogu's .5" inserts or whatever he uses to make his sneakers so thick. Were you talking about standing reach? Okay, that's 1.5" difference...

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/13/2005 22:15:34]

If we didn't have so many undersized power forwards already, I'd be all for a bull like Diogu.

But, we do. So, I don't know. I guess you could do as Bonn says and trade some of the undersized power forward for Moochie Norris-type players, but how many Moochie Norris's do we want on the team? Furthermore, Moochie Norris-like players wouldn't address a need. Nor does Diogu. We need tough players, but we're so undersized that we can't afford to go undersized with any of our picks this year.

So, although I'd love to get Diogu, I'll have to pass because he wouldn't help *this* team and he wouldn't have good trade value for the same reason that he's not a good draft choice for us.

I am not too crazy about this dude that you are all talking about...We already have a guy similar to him in Sweetney, but just a few pounds heavier...What we need is true size at PF and Center....with freakish athleticism...Hey look here, what is Bogut is still on the board at 8?

Ewing was soft when he was in college also....

So if the Suns had had a lot of PFs, then they should have passed on Amare? I think you always have to go for the BPA and then make roster moves to free up time for the player.

I guess you could do as Bonn says and trade some of the undersized power forward for Moochie Norris-type players, but how many Moochie Norris's do we want on the team?

It's just the concept of pulling off a lateral trade. You don't have to literally get Moochie Norris. You'd get someone better than Moochie for Kurt and JYD and Sweetney (if you want to trade Sweetney).

some here is coo coo for cocoa puffs

what are to talking about? Ewing (I assume we are talking Patrick) was one of the most dominating college players ever and he took his team to 2 NCAA title games, winning one and losing the other to a team that shot 80% from the field. He was the #1 pick in the draft in a year when the next guy might as well have been in the 2nd round.

Soft? Seriously... what are you putting in your coffee?

Posted by diderotn:

He was soft in College...Ewing just Karl Malone worked in his game and is now one of the best big men to ever play the game...

Dude, Ewing was one of the best defensive players in the history of college basketball. You don't get the nickname Hoya Destroya by playing soft. Seriously, try to watch some of his Final Four games, you'll be impressed.

As for the drafting of another 6'8" PF, no thanks. If Diogu was clearly the BPA, I'd say go for it, but he isn't. Is he better than all of our PFs? Maybe. But we have far more pressing problems and we can get by at PF, especially with 5 PFs making $50 million already. To my mind, we have a far bigger hole at SF - especially if Ariza is going to keep playing some SG.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/14/2005 09:47:19]

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/14/2005 09:47:50]

Posted by diderotn:

He was soft in College...Ewing just Karl Malone worked in his game and is now one of the best big men to ever play the game...

Dido, dude, you have to understand you're just plain wrong on this count.

Partick was a WARRIOR in college. It was because of him that the team was referred to as Hoya Destoya.

he and michael Graham scared the SHYTE out of opposing teams.

Patick went into the final game aginst UNC and decided to do a little early intimidating so he goaltended their first 3 shots on purpose just to send them a message.

When he entered the nBA he developed a jump shot. If anything people ended up suprised that wasn't AS hard in the league as he had been in college basketball.

Here's my advice - at this point accept that you're wrong on this point. (said with love and goodwill and a bunch of them little smiling f'ers. you know, this shyte - )