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BRIGGS
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6/10/2005  7:59 PM
we ARe the team that promised him that pick

in fact im so sure of it i post nothing else for pick 8 because NO one is taking channing frye BEFORE 8 it's done

and after reading knicks .com today im scared to think pick 30 will be angelo gigli



so be excited be very excited your NY Knicks will be Channing Frye and Angelo Gigli or Mikeal Gilabele who I hear will make wonderful role players!
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6/10/2005  8:03 PM
Have you ever heard of misdirection? Not every GM is the sieve that Ernie Accorsi is.
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6/10/2005  8:49 PM
Posted by Rich:

Have you ever heard of misdirection? Not every GM is the sieve that Ernie Accorsi is.

Ive actually followed this quite closely, and I think there is nothing to misdirect.

There is no wildcard foreign player good enough to go top 10.

I know for almost a fact that Toronto is taking Graham or Wright

so that leaves the knicks. if this kid is saying he has a top 10 promise, if isiah spent 4 days in az going over his backround w else is it?

i mean the odds are on us-- we almost sit on pick 2 in the second tier if you understand because there are somewhat of a clear 6
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6/10/2005  9:08 PM
If we do take him I'm not upset with it. I think i'll have to decide based on how he plays whether hes a good pick or not. But I trust isiah, the worst player he has ever drafted was Damon Stoudamire and he was a rookie of the year who was a borderline star for his entire career.
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6/10/2005  9:17 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

If we do take him I'm not upset with it. I think i'll have to decide based on how he plays whether hes a good pick or not. But I trust isiah, the worst player he has ever drafted was Damon Stoudamire and he was a rookie of the year who was a borderline star for his entire career.
he also picked camby over marbury, ray allen, kobe, peja, nash, AND jermaine o'neal. I'm not saying hes gonna blow the pick, but lets not assume isiah is flawless picking players. he could take a channing frye while a guy like martell webster becomes a superstar in the league, and fry is just a consistent 10 and 8
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6/10/2005  9:24 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If we do take him I'm not upset with it. I think i'll have to decide based on how he plays whether hes a good pick or not. But I trust isiah, the worst player he has ever drafted was Damon Stoudamire and he was a rookie of the year who was a borderline star for his entire career.
he also picked camby over marbury, ray allen, kobe, peja, nash, AND jermaine o'neal. I'm not saying hes gonna blow the pick, but lets not assume isiah is flawless picking players. he could take a channing frye while a guy like martell webster becomes a superstar in the league, and fry is just a consistent 10 and 8
Yeah, i kinda knew that. My point is not that he is perfect, no GM ever is, but he picks good players even if they aren't as good as some other players down the line. Camby could've been defensive player of the year this year. He is a unique talent who there is really no one like in the league, he's not better than Ray or Steph, but he's still a good lpayer and it wasn't a wasted pick.

Thats myu point. There may be better talents than Frye picked after, but my thinking is that if Isiah picks Frye then he will at least be a good player, Isiah's failures tend to be at least good players.

There are teams (like the knicks) who pick absolute and total busts who are out of the league as soon as their rookie contract expires. Isiah has never done that, yet.
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6/10/2005  9:43 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If we do take him I'm not upset with it. I think i'll have to decide based on how he plays whether hes a good pick or not. But I trust isiah, the worst player he has ever drafted was Damon Stoudamire and he was a rookie of the year who was a borderline star for his entire career.
he also picked camby over marbury, ray allen, kobe, peja, nash, AND jermaine o'neal. I'm not saying hes gonna blow the pick, but lets not assume isiah is flawless picking players. he could take a channing frye while a guy like martell webster becomes a superstar in the league, and fry is just a consistent 10 and 8



well, we have to hope that upside of channing frye will be realized. If he do what he did in college--i.e 15 points 7 reb 2 blocks shooting 50+% then we got our money worth. But I expect that we kind of hand the keys over to him somewhat at the 5. Let him play 30+ minutes, give him a chance to succeed or fail--hopefully succeed.
there is upsdie with frye, i will say it time and time again, i do not hate the guy, but he is NOT likely to be a high ceiling pick--i.e like a shawn Marion, Dirk Amare Mcgrady--these teasm took reasonable CHANCES at 8-9 and thier risks paid off

i mean dallas took dirk from a lower level german squad where he wasnt anything special--but they liked his raw skills he was a real 7 footer with nice athletic ability and agility and they scored BIG

if 15-7-2 is the UPSIDE on a player--it would greatly be apprecicated and i hope it is.
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6/10/2005  9:46 PM
I am not overly excited with frye, but I do remember that NCAA game VS OK state I think and fry was huge, hitting big shots and blocking shots while cleaning the boards, a game like that for the knicks would be huge... real huge...
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6/10/2005  11:17 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we ARe the team that promised him that pick

in fact im so sure of it i post nothing else for pick 8 because NO one is taking channing frye BEFORE 8 it's done

and after reading knicks .com today im scared to think pick 30 will be angelo gigli

so be excited be very excited your NY Knicks will be Channing Frye and Angelo Gigli or Mikeal Gilabele who I hear will make wonderful role players!

Tell me where it says that Frye's got a top 10 promise. Link please. Thanks!
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6/10/2005  11:48 PM
I've read a few times that Frye's supposed top 10 promise was from the Golden St. Warriors.
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6/11/2005  4:09 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Rich:

Have you ever heard of misdirection? Not every GM is the sieve that Ernie Accorsi is.

Ive actually followed this quite closely, and I think there is nothing to misdirect.

There is no wildcard foreign player good enough to go top 10.

I know for almost a fact that Toronto is taking Graham or Wright

so that leaves the knicks. if this kid is saying he has a top 10 promise, if isiah spent 4 days in az going over his backround w else is it?

i mean the odds are on us-- we almost sit on pick 2 in the second tier if you understand because there are somewhat of a clear 6

i agree with this - if those reports are true about isiah doing all that research on him, then he's VERY high on our list. but if that's the case, then we need to pass if green, wright, or bynum are still there.

but does anybody think that all this frye hype could be a smokescreen and that zeke knows who he wants to draft already and just drumming up interest in frye to boost his value?
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6/11/2005  5:20 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/48141.htm

ISIAH HIGH ON FRYE

By MARC BERMAN

CHICAGO — When Isiah Thomas spent four days in Tucson six weeks ago interviewing folks about 6-11 Arizona center Channing Frye, the Knick president was overwhelmed by the rave reviews about his character.

During yesterday's press conference with lottery candidates, Frye's engaging, witty charm overflowed.

"I could do interviews all day," Frye said at the pre-draft camp here before his physical. "You guys could talk to me all you want."

Thomas believes playing in New York requires a certain personality to handle the Big Apple microscope. Frye was born in White Plains and has a contingent of relatives living in Brooklyn.

It's always been considered a risk for the Knicks to take a high school player — though schoolboy swingmen Gerald Green and sharpshooter Martell Webster are on the Knick radar.

Yesterday, Green, projected in some mock drafts as a top five selection because of his off-the-charts athleticism, had some shaky moments in dealing with yesterday's media crush. Green said he will start working out for teams in a few days but when pressed, he said, "I haven't talked to my agent yet. He's been real busy on the phone."

Thomas will draft either a center or swingman at No. 8. Most scouts view Frye as the best center after top pick Andrew Bogut and, as a senior, ready for a rotation. Frye's rising stock has him now in the lottery.

But this draft is overloaded with quality wing players. Texas A&M's Antoine Wright and Danny Granger have become lottery candidates, and the Knicks will work both of them out. Granger had a sensational Chicago workout Thursday.

The Knicks desperately need size with Nazr Mohammed in San Antonio and 6-9 Kurt Thomas and 6-7 Mike Sweetney left as their starting frontcourt. So Frye makes sense. Golden State, at No. 9, reportedly gave Frye a guarantee. Back-to-the-basket prolific centers are hard to come by.

"I don't think they got to see the full extent of what I have to offer," Frye said of his senior season at Arizona. "I've worked on my athleticism, jump shot. I've matured a lot. Take what you saw during the season and add 100 percent to that."

Cavs' acting GM Mark Warkentin said, "When I went out to Arizona, my thought was if this guy goes outside the lottery, he's big-time value. It appears he's in the lottery and that's where he should be."

Frye has lived in Chicago the last six weeks, working with Michael Jordan's trainer. When a TV person threw a curve and asked him to rate the Windy City, Frye smacked a home run with, "I love Chicago. The women are beautiful. You can look, but can't touch because I'm on a business trip."
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6/11/2005  6:32 AM
Question...why would any team promise to draft a senior who has no other options other than the draft? It doesn't make any sense to me.
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6/11/2005  10:07 AM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If we do take him I'm not upset with it. I think i'll have to decide based on how he plays whether hes a good pick or not. But I trust isiah, the worst player he has ever drafted was Damon Stoudamire and he was a rookie of the year who was a borderline star for his entire career.
he also picked camby over marbury, ray allen, kobe, peja, nash, AND jermaine o'neal. I'm not saying hes gonna blow the pick, but lets not assume isiah is flawless picking players. he could take a channing frye while a guy like martell webster becomes a superstar in the league, and fry is just a consistent 10 and 8

Maybe when Camby was picked he was the 'high ceiling' player- I mean, if camby brought it every night and developed a better o game, he'd be an all star every year- how many games does he go out and block 5 shots, grabe 20+ boards and score 20+ points? He does do it, but he then follows up with a 3 pt, 8 board 1 blk game.

And perhaps he was drafting on need (size) like we've heard a bunch of posters here say- we can't draft small.

You take the best player available and don't trust anything that's being written in the papers
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6/11/2005  10:57 AM
Frye will be a very nice player. I'll go on record and say he will be 18-9 player after this year. But one thing the Knicks need to do is give him the keys to the franchise and put Crawford and Marbury in the back seat. Those two characters can kill any front court players career. They don't feed the post enough and they are known to break plays on the whim. Especially Crawford.
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6/11/2005  11:37 AM
HOt Frye's and ice cold Kool Aid!
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6/11/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by Nalod:

HOt Frye's and ice cold Kool Aid!

oh my, you kill us sometimes Nalod!
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6/11/2005  11:41 AM
2 notes from Ford's blog:

Channing Frye is moving up a notch to No. 8 after Insider received credible evidence that the Knicks are leaning strongly toward drafting him there. Not only did Isiah Thomas fly to Arizona to do a background check on him, they also did a secret workout with Frye on the West Coast last week. Frye passed the background check and the workout with flying colors and the Knicks flew back to Chicago thinking he was their man.

We've still got three weeks before the draft, so opinions can still change, but it looks like the Warriors need a contingency plan.


A few months ago scouts were talking about Arizona's Channing Frye as a late first-round pick.

A few weeks ago, they dramatically changed course, calling him a likely top-10 pick in the NBA draft.

How could he rise so high in such a short time? I went back to Tim Grover's ATTACK Athletics facility on Friday morning to see for myself.

Frye simply looked awesome. He's put on 10 pounds of muscle since he started training with Grover. Most of it is in his shoulders and chest. Now weighing a legit 260 and measuring 6-foot-11 in shoes, Frye looks like a center.

On the court, he was even more impressive. He's improved his explosiveness the past few months and is now springing off the floor. Laterally, he's very quick and moves effortlessly around the court.

He showed off an impressive array of basketball skills. He has an excellent jump shot and has extended his range out to the college 3-point line. He gets great lift on his jumper and should be murder on the pick and pop. He's especially impressive with his accuracy on step-backs and fadeaways.

Frye has a soft touch around the basket. He also showed some great footwork. He used his quickness to spin away from defenders on the baseline and also showed a nice little baby hook.

The bottom line is that he should be able to score in the League.

Whatever knocks there are against Frye weren't evident in his workout. Scouts have questioned the toughness and aggressiveness Frye displayed at Arizona. I think he dispelled some of that in the NCAA Tournament.

Any team that brings him in for a workout will be impressed. Frye's agent, Rob Pelinka, is being very selective about the teams Frye works out for.

For NBA teams looking for a skilled, athletic big man with shot-blocking skills, they're not going to get a prospect better than Frye. That's why he's moved up to the top 10. It's tough to imagine the Knicks, Warriors and Lakers all passing on him.
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6/11/2005  11:42 AM
anyone think this is a ploy to get something out of the Warriors?

how about #8, #30 for #9 and Mickael Pietrus?
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6/11/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by martin:

anyone think this is a ploy to get something out of the Warriors?

how about #8, #30 for #9 and Mickael Pietrus?

I want to think so.
we are taking Channing Frye end of story

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