I know that the failures that we have had for the last 4 seasons have gotten into our heads (good fans) and force us to be very irrational. However, let's gather ourselves and reason a little bit...it is really inconceivable to blame Isiah after 1 year of full service for what is going with the Knicks this season...In my opinion, this year's failure is a combination of all that didn't happen to help this organization to become a much better squad for the last 4 years. Fishmike has echoed that in one of his posts and I agree with him a 100%. If we were to take the time to develop the players that we have drafted during the years that we have been in the lottery, we would have had a pretty decent squad eventhough injuries have settled amongs our most durable players...

Instead of overpaying for marginal talents, what the previous administration should have done, as we all know, was to draft well and develop those youngsters...But that wasn't the case...

Now that Isiah it trying to take the right approach, we should be reasonable enough to allow the man to do the right things. Yes, he is overpaying a little for a couple of the trades that he has made so far, but that is the price you have to pay when you don't have any desirable assets....The good thing is that he is overpaying for talents that may turn out to be a great help in the long run.

We want to win so bad, we become blind to what it will take to win....this will be a really good year for the Knicks, we just have to stay patient as fans, because we now have people in the front office that really know talents and also know how to develop the talents acquired...Look, Ariza got a tone of minutes last season, that to me is a step into the right direction. Let's worry about who Isiah pick as a freaking coach, but when it comes to players, I do believe that he knows what he is doing...

[Edited by - diderotn on 06/09/2005 09:34:23]

I do believe that either one of these young kids can change our fortunes: Frye, Martynas and Bynum...If we can add Akindale or Petro with that mix, things will be even better....Those of you who are criticizing now, will not have the gutts to give the man his props once he is able to make these moves happen..


"Arizona 6-foot-11 center Channing Frye has become a serious candidate for the Knicks at No. 8.

Knick president Isiah Thomas flew to Tucson for four days in April to do research on the senior Frye. Frye has worked out in Chicago the past few weeks with Michael Jordan's trainer.

Frye will attend the pre-draft camp tomorrow for measurement and physicals.

"The Knicks like that he can score," Arizona assistant Josh Pastner said. "We've gotten positive feedback. He can help the Knicks not be a lottery team next year."

Frye and 7-3 Lithuanian Martynas Andriuskevicius, 19, are the only two centers the Knicks would consider at No. 8. The Lithuanian will hold a special workout for teams today.

Posted by diderotn:

I know that the failures that we have had for the last 4 seasons have gotten into our heads (good fans) and force us to be very irrational. However, let's gather ourselves and reason a little bit...it is really inconceivable to blame Isiah after 1 year of full service for what is going with the Knicks this season...In my opinion, this year's failure is a combination of all that didn't happen to help this organization to become a much better squad for the last 4 years. Fishmike has echoed that in one of his posts and I agree with him a 100%. If we were to take the time to develop the players that we have drafted during the years that we have been in the lottery, we would have had a pretty decent squad eventhough injuries have settled amongs our most durable players...

Instead of overpaying for marginal talents, what the previous administration should have done, as we all know, was to draft well and develop those youngsters...But that wasn't the case...

Now that Isiah it trying to take the right approach, we should be reasonable enough to allow the man to do the right things. Yes, he is overpaying a little for a couple of the trades that he has made so far, but that is the price you have to pay when you don't have any desirable assets....The good thing is that he is overpaying for talents that may turn out to be a great help in the long run.

We want to win so bad, we become blind to what it will take to win....this will be a really good year for the Knicks, we just have to stay patient as fans, because we now have people in the front office that really know talents and also know how to develop the talents acquired...Look, Ariza got a tone of minutes last season, that to me is a step into the right direction. Let's worry about who Isiah pick as a freaking coach, but when it comes to players, I do believe that he knows what he is doing...

[Edited by - diderotn on 06/09/2005 09:34:23]

Look in the mirror.

reall quick... how do you now "know" that Isiah is taking the right approach? How do you know we arent going to just see more of the same?

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by diderotn:


it is really inconceivable to blame Isiah after 1 year of full service for what is going with the Knicks this season...

[Edited by - diderotn on 06/09/2005 09:34:23]

No its not. Here, watch me do it. Isiah made 2 mistakes simulatenously at the deadline. To balance that, Isiah has had 2 good moves in Ariza and Crawford. Still, I don't understand how you can make 2 trades that squander assets with impunity and have little to show for it (even in potential).

you can't blame IT so much for where the team is now, but you can be very disappointed in our prospects for the future. a lot of people think we could have done much better for nazr, vin and moochie, that we've accumulated too many big contracts to give us any flexibility for the future, and that we're jsut seeing more of the same from knicks management despite what IT promised. while i don't necessarily agree, the concerns are legitimate and IT really has to show what he's about over the summer and until the trading deadline.

fair question. I'm basing what I *know* on what I see. I have watched the NBA for a pretty long time and followed the league closely and there are some pretty easy to see trends.

No team has ever turned their franchise around by using Isiah's methods. Show me a team that went from bad to good in recent years. I will show you a team thats used the draft and avoided taking on a bunch of big fat deals with veteran players attached.

Hey! Maybe your right. Despite Isiah following a pattern that has never worked in the NBA or sports for that matter, maybe he's really on to something and its every other successfull team in the NBA that has overlooked his method of adding a quarter billion in payroll, not commiting to developing young players or a pipeline and ignoring any cap management.

Thats why I see more of the same.

to me its been obvious that Frye is pick 8 for the NY Knicks. just because a few people on draft boards say take bynum or this guy or that guy has 0/100 meaning. knicks have and always wanted to win right now, right this very second.

for them to write anything about martynas however, is almost dumbfounded, if he wasnt ready for action in the lithuanian leagues, how will he do in the nBA?

Listen beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. Isiah has always seemed to like skinny players for the most part. camby was a string bean, mcgardy was string bean crawford, but martynas would take th cake unless they have him scking down anavar right now.

I think a rality is Wright will be pick 5 Graham will be pick 7 and Frye pick 8, I would say Im sure of it.

hey what can you do. i think with bynum, there is leeway for time, if Frye isnt a player from day 1-well thats digging your grave