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i think this is what we're going to start next season:
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djsunyc
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6/8/2005  2:40 PM
the rotation:

marbury, houston, tim, sweets, kurt
with crawford, ariza, malik, mo, frye off the bench.

coach - herb

that team will win about 32-36 games next season
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6/8/2005  2:45 PM
another lotto pick! wahoo!


But seriously, I think Tim will be gone. I could be wrong, but I don't think he'll be back. Even if it's just the IR. Other than that, you aren't too far off.
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6/8/2005  2:53 PM
that team would have a good shot at the playoffs, but i know that's beside the point since it wouldn't do any better than against the nets two seasons ago. it's harshly realistic, though. we need new blood at the PG (especially a good defender), SG/SF (even if TT is back, he'll be gone end of the season at latest), possibly center to backup frye down the road.
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6/8/2005  6:48 PM
Man, that would be a tough year to watch!

BUt:

I don't think we win 32 with Herb.
TT and KT will both be gone, either this summer or at the trading deadline, neither will be with us for the whole season.
No way IT takes Frye.

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6/8/2005  7:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

the rotation:

marbury, houston, tim, sweets, kurt
with crawford, ariza, malik, mo, frye off the bench.

coach - herb

that team will win about 32-36 games next season
we would win like 45 games with that team lemme tell you why if houston is back 100%, who's gonna leave him to go double on Marbs. If Tim Thomas plays like he did second half of this season(contract year) he could average 20ppg. Hopefully Sweets will be in shape. Kurt Thomas stretches the defense with his J. Crawford has less minutes which means less turnovers and less bad shots. Ariza will keep progressing. Frye will prolly start after 10 games. and malik will get his 10-15 minutes and mo will be traded
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6/8/2005  7:22 PM
Houston will never be 100% again. with these knee injuries he will never be able to play big minutes again. If he does he will be out for the season after 2 weeks.

If he had that 2nd surgery he wouldn't have been 100% but he would've been more durable and able to shoot jump shots
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6/8/2005  7:25 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Houston will never be 100% again. with these knee injuries he will never be able to play big minutes again. If he does he will be out for the season after 2 weeks.

If he had that 2nd surgery he wouldn't have been 100% but he would've been more durable and able to shoot jump shots
just like Grant Hill was never going to be 100% again right.
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6/8/2005  7:30 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Houston will never be 100% again. with these knee injuries he will never be able to play big minutes again. If he does he will be out for the season after 2 weeks.

If he had that 2nd surgery he wouldn't have been 100% but he would've been more durable and able to shoot jump shots
just like Grant Hill was never going to be 100% again right.

I may be wrong but Grant Hills injury was non-weight bearing whereas H20's is weight bearing which makes it worse.
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6/8/2005  7:32 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Houston will never be 100% again. with these knee injuries he will never be able to play big minutes again. If he does he will be out for the season after 2 weeks.

If he had that 2nd surgery he wouldn't have been 100% but he would've been more durable and able to shoot jump shots
just like Grant Hill was never going to be 100% again right.

I may be wrong but Grant Hills injury was non-weight bearing whereas H20's is weight bearing which makes it worse.
Grant Hill Injury was on his ankles which are way more weight bearing than the knees
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6/8/2005  8:02 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Houston will never be 100% again. with these knee injuries he will never be able to play big minutes again. If he does he will be out for the season after 2 weeks.

If he had that 2nd surgery he wouldn't have been 100% but he would've been more durable and able to shoot jump shots
just like Grant Hill was never going to be 100% again right.

I may be wrong but Grant Hills injury was non-weight bearing whereas H20's is weight bearing which makes it worse.
Grant Hill Injury was on his ankles which are way more weight bearing than the knees

knee injuries are way more severe
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6/8/2005  8:09 PM
Tell me about it!!!!

I know for a fact that knee injuries are worse than Ankle. I'm currently trying to get back from a Complete tear of my ACL with pretty bad meniscus(sp) damage.

Aside from that.....Grant Hill's overall skill level is head and shoulders better than Houstons. Houston's whoel game is his jump shot. Hill can do it all very well....proved by how he came back last year.

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6/8/2005  8:17 PM
but he still needs to run and jump on those weight bearing knees and without surgery he will never be able to for more at most 15-20mins per game without shutting it down for the season.
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6/8/2005  9:44 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Houston will never be 100% again. with these knee injuries he will never be able to play big minutes again. If he does he will be out for the season after 2 weeks.

If he had that 2nd surgery he wouldn't have been 100% but he would've been more durable and able to shoot jump shots
just like Grant Hill was never going to be 100% again right.

I may be wrong but Grant Hills injury was non-weight bearing whereas H20's is weight bearing which makes it worse.
Grant Hill Injury was on his ankles which are way more weight bearing than the knees

knee injuries are way more severe
It depends on the injury. A very severe ankle injury can be worse than a knee injury. There's no general rule as far as I know about knee injuries being more severe than ankle injuries. They can both be awful.
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6/8/2005  9:48 PM
I'm truly happy for what Grant Hill achieved this year, but would you trade for him? And yeah, H2O simply never had Hill's BB IQ, he often seemed confused out there, so coming back without his athletic dominance would not be the same for H20.
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6/8/2005  9:49 PM
Thats about right. I always believed this to be true and will continue to believe it to be true. With KT in the lineup the Knicks will never be over .500 unless Duncan and Shaq come to the Knicks rescue. Other than that I don't think anyone can help a team with KT starting. If Herb and KT are there we Knicks fans will have another horrific year endured. Changes need to be made and standing pat just isn't the answer. I would rather the Knicks draft Bynum or Frye and throw them in the starting lineup from the start than to bring them along slowly do what Magic and sixers did with Howard and Iggy. BUt we know that will never happen and if it did some backward logic is going to be working instead of starting Frye or Bynum with Sweetney they will give Frye the run and demote Sweetney behind KT again which will just kill any confidence the kid has developed. With the Knicks nothing is planned but vets and that ultimately is their down fall.
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6/8/2005  10:31 PM
It is going to be the same old **** until Isiah can ship Kurt out of town....Why in the world it is so hard for folks to see that Kurt is more of a problem than a solution??? He is getting older, and most of all is playing out of position. He is a little productive, but his production is not enough to truly help the Knicks...He has no inside game, and he plays mostly like a freaking SG...In all actuality, Kurt is noT A PF nor a Center...He is a SG.
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