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djsunyc
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6/8/2005  9:47 AM
if it was up to me, i would trade steph for a lottery pick (#2 to atlanta b/c they have the cap space) - we may have to sweeten the pot and give up the #30 as well.

and then trade the #2 to charlotte (if bogut is #1, otherwise draft bogut) for #5 and #13 (they want paul)

giving us #5 #8, #13, #54
draft deron williams at 5
draft bynum at 8
draft warrick at 13
best player available at 54

giving us this pipeline:
d williams
crawford
ariza/warrick
sweets/warrick
bynum

that my friends, is how you build a team for a decade...but it's too bad i'm not running this team...
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djsunyc
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6/8/2005  9:48 AM
it's a ballsy moves like this that gets teams like chicago and pheonix quick turnarounds...
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6/8/2005  10:09 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's a ballsy moves like this that gets teams like chicago and pheonix quick turnarounds...
Chicago was a lottery team for about 7 or 8 years, and that was mainly because they made bad personel moves. They had Ron Artest and Elton Brand and traded them for crying out loud!!

Phoenix was never that bed to begin with and they didn't make any ballsy moves really. They signed to free agents after trading their star pg for cap space. They already had Amare, Marion, and Joe Johnson, I don' think that was all that ballsy. good moves, but not ballsy.

You are proposing to blow up the team and hop all of these picks pan out. This would turn us into the hawks, or the bobcats. There is no guarantee this way either.
djsunyc
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6/8/2005  10:17 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:


You are proposing to blow up the team and hop all of these picks pan out. This would turn us into the hawks, or the bobcats. There is no guarantee this way either.

at this point, 5 years into the $100+ mil route of trying to build a team, don't you think we should try something new?
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6/8/2005  10:22 AM
Blow the mother up!

We can then talk of all the potential players we can get!

May be more fun than mediocrity!

Funny, Isiah been on the job for 18 months and we still don't know the direction of the team. OR we just refuse to see reality!
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6/8/2005  10:25 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if it was up to me, i would trade steph for a lottery pick (#2 to atlanta b/c they have the cap space) - we may have to sweeten the pot and give up the #30 as well.

and then trade the #2 to charlotte (if bogut is #1, otherwise draft bogut) for #5 and #13 (they want paul)

giving us #5 #8, #13, #54
draft deron williams at 5
draft bynum at 8
draft warrick at 13
best player available at 54

giving us this pipeline:
d williams
crawford
ariza/warrick
sweets/warrick
bynum

that my friends, is how you build a team for a decade...but it's too bad i'm not running this team...

while i don't necessarily disagree w/ur concept of freeing up cap space & getting in younger players, you're basically trading Stephon Marbury, a proven allstar calibre player & 1 of the top PG's in the NBA, for Deron Williams & Hakim Warrick in that scenario...i think you have to get back more than that if you're giving up your best player who's in his prime.
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Killa4luv
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6/8/2005  10:29 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

if it was up to me, i would trade steph for a lottery pick (#2 to atlanta b/c they have the cap space) - we may have to sweeten the pot and give up the #30 as well.

and then trade the #2 to charlotte (if bogut is #1, otherwise draft bogut) for #5 and #13 (they want paul)

giving us #5 #8, #13, #54
draft deron williams at 5
draft bynum at 8
draft warrick at 13
best player available at 54

giving us this pipeline:
d williams
crawford
ariza/warrick
sweets/warrick
bynum

that my friends, is how you build a team for a decade...but it's too bad i'm not running this team...

while i don't necessarily disagree w/ur concept of freeing up cap space & getting in younger players, you're basically trading Stephon Marbury, a proven allstar calibre player & 1 of the top PG's in the NBA, for Deron Williams & Hakim Warrick in that scenario...i think you have to get back more than that if you're giving up your best player who's in his prime.
These guys may never develop into anything! Although I think Deron is gonna be good, I agree with you.
djsunyc
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6/8/2005  10:35 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

if it was up to me, i would trade steph for a lottery pick (#2 to atlanta b/c they have the cap space) - we may have to sweeten the pot and give up the #30 as well.

and then trade the #2 to charlotte (if bogut is #1, otherwise draft bogut) for #5 and #13 (they want paul)

giving us #5 #8, #13, #54
draft deron williams at 5
draft bynum at 8
draft warrick at 13
best player available at 54

giving us this pipeline:
d williams
crawford
ariza/warrick
sweets/warrick
bynum

that my friends, is how you build a team for a decade...but it's too bad i'm not running this team...

while i don't necessarily disagree w/ur concept of freeing up cap space & getting in younger players, you're basically trading Stephon Marbury, a proven allstar calibre player & 1 of the top PG's in the NBA, for Deron Williams & Hakim Warrick in that scenario...i think you have to get back more than that if you're giving up your best player who's in his prime.

in this day and age, when bdiddy is traded for dale davis (cap fodder) and speedy claxton...and the only team willing to give more would be us, i think 2 lottery picks would be the asking price for steph. (he is in his prime but he's also never won - nash's asking price would be more now than steph's)

of course this could all blow up - but it's a freak'n plan - something nalod alluded to - that we don't have. it's a total balls out move but one that could work as well.

i'm tired of being in this mired pit of mediocrity and i want to try this method - it's worked for alot of other teams, so why not try it?
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6/8/2005  10:39 AM
aka snowball's chance in hell

I think your thread title says it all. Marbury is Isiah's signature move, he would never ever admit to a mistake by trading him.
TMS
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6/8/2005  10:50 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

in this day and age, when bdiddy is traded for dale davis (cap fodder) and speedy claxton...and the only team willing to give more would be us, i think 2 lottery picks would be the asking price for steph. (he is in his prime but he's also never won - nash's asking price would be more now than steph's)

of course this could all blow up - but it's a freak'n plan - something nalod alluded to - that we don't have. it's a total balls out move but one that could work as well.

i'm tired of being in this mired pit of mediocrity and i want to try this method - it's worked for alot of other teams, so why not try it?

in that case, i would actually much rather hold onto the #2 pick & take Marvin Williams...then take a PG w/the #8 pick, & try to move up from #30 to the late teens to take Warrick by trading Sweetney.
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6/8/2005  11:00 AM
if I could get two lottery picks for Marbury, I'd do it- assuming they were this year.

Marbs a great player, but there is a good sized chunk of our cap locked up in him.

Problem is, there is no way that deal ever happens
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6/8/2005  11:09 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if it was up to me, i would trade steph for a lottery pick (#2 to atlanta b/c they have the cap space) - we may have to sweeten the pot and give up the #30 as well.

and then trade the #2 to charlotte (if bogut is #1, otherwise draft bogut) for #5 and #13 (they want paul)

giving us #5 #8, #13, #54
draft deron williams at 5
draft bynum at 8
draft warrick at 13
best player available at 54

giving us this pipeline:
d williams
crawford
ariza/warrick
sweets/warrick
bynum

that my friends, is how you build a team for a decade...but it's too bad i'm not running this team...

I'd love this. If we could get Joey Graham with the 13th, that's be even better (though I doubt he'd still be there). I also like the fact that this gives us perhaps 25% chance of getting Bogut.
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6/8/2005  11:15 AM
If we get Bogut with 2, who would we pick at 8?
Wright? Graham? Granger?

Craw
Wright
Ariza
Sweetney
Bogut
s3231
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6/8/2005  11:22 AM
Like TMS I would just hold on to the 2nd pick and draft Marvin Williams. With 8 I would take Bynum. Then I would try to move up in the draft using Kurt and the 30 pick as the bait, maybe a team like Minnesota would bite with pick 14. If I got pick 14, I would use that on Martell Webster if he is still there. That would give you something like

PG- Jamal Crawford
SG- Martell Webster
SF- Marvin Williams
PF- Sweets
C- Andrew Bynum

Not a bad core

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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6/8/2005  11:33 AM
I would rather have Felton than Williams. Thats a two year plan because your winning 30 games next year at best.. probably closer to 25.

I dont know if I would do that but if our GM did I cant say I would be pissed... I would probably be pretty damn happy.
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djsunyc
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6/8/2005  11:41 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I would rather have Felton than Williams. Thats a two year plan because your winning 30 games next year at best.. probably closer to 25.

even better - gives us ANOTHER top 5 pick.
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6/8/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

if it was up to me, i would trade steph for a lottery pick (#2 to atlanta b/c they have the cap space) - we may have to sweeten the pot and give up the #30 as well.

and then trade the #2 to charlotte (if bogut is #1, otherwise draft bogut) for #5 and #13 (they want paul)

giving us #5 #8, #13, #54
draft deron williams at 5
draft bynum at 8
draft warrick at 13
best player available at 54

giving us this pipeline:
d williams
crawford
ariza/warrick
sweets/warrick
bynum

that my friends, is how you build a team for a decade...but it's too bad i'm not running this team...
No problem with your plan except why should the Knicks draft Warrick, if he had a horrible workout for them. You might as well include Taft in your plan too. Greene/Wright, Bynum(to keep everyone happy), Blatche, and Louis Williams in the 2nd round.
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6/8/2005  1:55 PM
Posted by s3231:

Like TMS I would just hold on to the 2nd pick and draft Marvin Williams. With 8 I would take Bynum. Then I would try to move up in the draft using Kurt and the 30 pick as the bait, maybe a team like Minnesota would bite with pick 14. If I got pick 14, I would use that on Martell Webster if he is still there. That would give you something like

PG- Jamal Crawford
SG- Martell Webster
SF- Marvin Williams
PF- Sweets
C- Andrew Bynum

Not a bad core

i got no problem w/that plan either (except for Sweetney...i want more athleticism at that position if we're going to have Bynum at C)
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6/8/2005  2:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by s3231:

Like TMS I would just hold on to the 2nd pick and draft Marvin Williams. With 8 I would take Bynum. Then I would try to move up in the draft using Kurt and the 30 pick as the bait, maybe a team like Minnesota would bite with pick 14. If I got pick 14, I would use that on Martell Webster if he is still there. That would give you something like

PG- Jamal Crawford
SG- Martell Webster
SF- Marvin Williams
PF- Sweets
C- Andrew Bynum

Not a bad core

i got no problem w/that plan either (except for Sweetney...i want more athleticism at that position if we're going to have Bynum at C)
Where does Houston fit in your plan. You want to keep him? He should be the first Knick traded.
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6/8/2005  2:29 PM
no team's going to trade you squat for Houston, so regardless whether he's in my plans or not is a moot point...he'll be here either way.
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